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    Re: Trump withholding millions in aid to Pakistan, as he accuses country of giving 'safe haven' to t

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    This has always been nonsense.

    The obvious difference is that we aren't there to "conquer" Afghanistan. There is no fifty-first star in the work. There is no new flag.

    The plan, just like everywhere else in the twentieth century, is to eventually leave. Our problem is that we have stayed long past our expiration date.
    And in addition to staying past, we've done little to help.

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    Re: Trump withholding millions in aid to Pakistan, as he accuses country of giving 'safe haven' to t

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It's about frickin time.....For at least a decade now I have been questioning Pakistan's actual loyality to us as an supposed ally...
    This is a subject that you and I will find common ground on. Pakistan is a known offender when it comes to harboring Islamic terrorists as well as supplying them the means to operate.

    Pakistan is no friend to west.
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    Re: Trump withholding millions in aid to Pakistan, as he accuses country of giving 'safe haven' to t

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    Ha! I learned that trick from you Double-A.
    You still don't get it.

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    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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    Re: Trump withholding millions in aid to Pakistan, as he accuses country of giving 'safe haven' to t

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    I've been waiting since 21 December for Trump to punish all who dared cross his Jerusalem red-line. Still waiting.

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    Re: Trump withholding millions in aid to Pakistan, as he accuses country of giving 'safe haven' to t

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    I just hope there is some sort of policy in play with all the geographical hornet’s nests that are being kicked......
    There is. It's called, by some, the Trump Doctrine.

    trump-doctrine-2.jpg

    Trump has been using this with a number of countries since the day he was inaugurated.

    In regard to Pakistan, he set the stage last August.

    “The next pillar of our new strategy is to change the approach in how to deal with Pakistan. We can no longer be silent about Pakistan’s safe havens for terrorist organizations, the Taliban, and other groups that pose a threat to the region and beyond.

    “Pakistan has much to gain from partnering with our effort in Afghanistan. It has much to lose by continuing to harbor criminals and terrorists. In the past, Pakistan has been a valued partner. Our militaries have worked together against common enemies.

    “The Pakistani people have suffered greatly from terrorism and extremism. We recognize those contributions and those sacrifices, but Pakistan has also sheltered the same organizations that try every single day to kill our people. We have been paying Pakistan billions and billions of dollars, at the same time they are housing the same terrorists that we are fighting. But that will have to change. And that will change immediately.

    “No partnership can survive a country’s harboring of militants and terrorists who target U.S. service members and officials. It is time for Pakistan to demonstrate its commitment to civilization, order, and to peace.

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    Re: Trump withholding millions in aid to Pakistan, as he accuses country of giving 'safe haven' to t

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I am not sure if this is the best way to go about it, but it is true that Pakistan harbours terrorists.
    What exactly should we do? For a decade we've been asking 'pretty please' and that certainly doesn't work.
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    Re: Trump withholding millions in aid to Pakistan, as he accuses country of giving 'safe haven' to t

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    I just hope there is some sort of policy in play with all the geographical hornet’s nests that are being kicked......
    There is...America first...For a change.
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    Re: Trump withholding millions in aid to Pakistan, as he accuses country of giving 'safe haven' to t

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    This has always been nonsense.

    The obvious difference is that we aren't there to "conquer" Afghanistan. There is no fifty-first star in the work. There is no new flag.

    The plan, just like everywhere else in the twentieth century, is to eventually leave. Our problem is that we have stayed long past our expiration date.
    A big part of the problem with regard to Afghanistan is we went in with inadequate resources and no clear plan for victory. Goal posts were all over the place and we were always a step or two behind. I agree that we never intended to conquer Afghanistan, but our desire to neutralize the Taliban and their support apparatus for Islamic militant groups was simply unrealistic given what we had to work with.

    I believe we should have attempted to complete the back channel deal that was in play to allow the Taliban leadership a way to save face with their own people as they justified giving OBL over to one of our allies. But we just could not allow that because we had already laid our dick on the table. After that there was simply no way the Taliban was going to be able give up Bin Laden voluntarily.

    There is a very good book about the history of Afghanistan and why it has never been tamed, regardless of how many armies tried conquer it (I agree with you, we weren't there as conquerors, however the amount of time we have spent there certainly paints as foreign occupiers of a country that simply does not want us there anymore). It's certainly not light reading but interesting for anyone seeking some kind of understanding of the nation and it's people.

    Games Without Rules: The Often Interrupted History of Afghanistan by Tamim Ansary
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    Re: Trump withholding millions in aid to Pakistan, as he accuses country of giving 'safe haven' to t

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    It is about fricken' time. However, Trump is a blow hard so this most likely means nothing.

    Pakistan has never been a proper ally. During the 1990s, when the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan was fighting the Taliban, Massoud's economic, military, and humanitarian support came from Russia, Iran and India. India involved itself because Pakistan was running operations (mostly clandestine) in Afghanistan to support the Taliban. Despite Massoud's pleas for U.S. aid, Clinton erred on the side of Pakistan, mostly because Massoud was receiving aid from Iran and the Russians.

    By the time the CIA figured out how stupid we were being, it was too late. In 2000, the CIA convinced Massoud to unite the south with the north, and Iran was to establish a supply route. Days before 9/11, Massoud was assassinated. Up to that point he had survived multiple attempts by Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and Pakistan's ISI. It is understood that Osama Bin Laden ordered the suicide attack that finally got him.

    Bush turns around, spurns Iran's offer to assist under the pretense that Iran "probably supported the Taliban," and pulled Pakistan closer as an ally against the Taliban.

    How absolutely retarded are we? Pakistan's "loyalty" has always been bull ****.
    I agree with you there MSgt, all but for one point, and that is the crack at Trump. I realize you don't like the man, didn't vote for him, and want to see him fail, but at the very least halting any money we send their way will wake them up that we no longer believe them to be an honest player with our interests at heart.
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    Re: Trump withholding millions in aid to Pakistan, as he accuses country of giving 'safe haven' to t

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    What, you don't believe the Pakistani government and military were unaware that that was Osama Bin Laden holed up in that compound? For shame.
    No, no I don't...
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