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    Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake

    The Oregon Court of Appeals on Thursday upheld a $135,000 fine against two Christian bakers who refused to make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple.The case began back in January 2013, when Aaron and Melissa Klein, owners of the since-closed Sweet Cakes by Melissa bakery just outside Portland, Oregon, cited their religious beliefs when declining to make a wedding cake for Rachel and Laurel Bowman-Cryer.Following the incident, the Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries found the Kleins in violation of a 2007 state law that protects the rights of LGBTQ people in employment, housing and public accommodations. In 2015, the couple was ordered to pay the Bowman-Cryers emotional distress damages.The Kleins appealed the decision in March 2017, arguing the state’s Bureau of Labor and Industries violated their rights as artists to free speech, their rights to religious freedom and their rights as defendants to a due process.

    On Thursday, nearly five years after the incident that ignited the case, the Oregon Court of Appeals sided with the state and upheld the penalty against the Kleins.Rachel and Laurel Bowman-Cryer applauded the ruling through a statement released by their attorney.“It does not matter how you were born or who you love. All of us are equal under the law and should be treated equally. Oregon will not allow a ‘Straight Couples Only’ sign to be hung in bakeries or other stores,” the couple stated. Nancy Marcus, an attorney with LGBTQ legal and civil rights group Lambda Legal, which filed a friend-of-the-court brief in the case, said the ruling “is both critically important and completely unsurprising.”“The court’s decision is unsurprising because it is consistent with decisions by courts across the country that have similarly refused to create a new constitutional right of businesses to exempt themselves from civil rights laws and harm same-sex couples through discriminatory denials of service,” Marcus told NBC News via email.
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    The ruling seems consistent with the law. But I disagree with the law.
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    re: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    Good. If these people want to be open to the public then they need to serve the general public. They're more than welcome to make their restaurant a private location that only accepts club members etc.
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    re: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    The ruling seems consistent with the law. But I disagree with the law.
    I agree it's very consistent but I agree with equal rights, anti discrimination and public accommodation laws. I think they are key to a decent civil society.

    Which parts of the law do you disagree with? Employment,Housing and or Public Accommodations? or is ity what groups are protected in one or all of those areas? Gender, religions, race etc?
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    re: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    The ruling seems consistent with the law. But I disagree with the law.
    I'm iffy on that as well. I turned down a commission some time ago because it would have required me to express a message antithetical to my principles and which would not have helped my portfolio, to put it delicately. I'm unclear on whether the ruling sets the precedent that business owners/artists/etc. would be required to express a message counter to their vision or principles.

    It's unclear from the article what, exactly the bakers were expected to do differently with the cake in question.
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    Fascism is alive in America. ****ing disgusting.
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    re: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Fascism is alive in America. ****ing disgusting.
    if Hitler's fascism could have only involved baking cakes for harmless gay folk instead of the genocide of the Jews ........ yep, those 'merican gays are some really dangerous people ...........
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    re: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    I have a feeling this will go up one more level...Whether or not the SC will hear it, or how they rule I don’t know

    Look for more issues on this....and look for gay artists to be targeted in all sorts of ways not physically, but in their business operations

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    re: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Fascism is alive in America. ****ing disgusting.
    it is fascist to compel a business open to the public to sell to gay customers?

    was it fascist to compel publicly operated motels to offer rooms to customers who are black?
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    re: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaWindu View Post
    I agree it's very consistent but I agree with equal rights, anti discrimination and public accommodation laws. I think they are key to a decent civil society.

    Which parts of the law do you disagree with? Employment,Housing and or Public Accommodations? or is ity what groups are protected in one or all of those areas? Gender, religions, race etc?
    I am generally against public accommodation laws. I believe that privately owned businesses that provide non-essential goods and services should be able to discriminate for whatever stupid reason they want. I wouldn’t do business with that bigoted bakery but I still believe they should be able to pick and choose who they make cakes for.

    It isn’t a litmus test issue for me, though.
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