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Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

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Fishking said:
Lol...back to the sidelines cheer leader. You're not capable enough to step out onto the field.
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So you can't explain how that uber-retardation you posted as a failed analogy relates to the topic? Got it thats what I thought! Looks like this cheerleader just ran your post over for the TD! Better luck next time!
 
Fishking said:
I understand that you agree with the law. I'm merely pointing out the very real difference and that your position most definitely does violate private property rights, as well as association. You just find those violations acceptable. For those who understand the fragile nature of liberty, we know that those types of good-intentioned actions are a worse than the behavior they are looking to limit.



The most egregious forms of discrimination happens at the hands of governments. Individuals are very limited in what they can do with their own resources, and what they can do can be easily counteracted by free-market solutions. Why give more power to the most abusive system?
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That last statement is the the statement of a person who doesn't understand discrimination from the victims' perspective. Your self righteous bloviations about liberty ring hollow.
 
Fishking said:
Well ****...I better take the "Welcome" mat off my doorstep, using that logic. Also using your logic we'd have to limit free speech to not allow people to say racist things in public but that right has constantly been upheld by the Supreme Court. It's almost as if the Supreme Court isn't consistent in their rulings or something.

Oh...and as for being a dick, I think those who support the violation of other people's rights rank higher on the dick scale, as one is a personal believe and the other is using force on another.
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LOL Are you running a public business from your home? That may also be illegal without proper zoning yet I don't hear you railing about how zoning laws are violating peoples rights. In fact you limit your argument to hateful behaviors made in the name of religion. Why is that?
 
Bassman said:
The only absurdity is one who thinks man can run his own life. Problem is, there is zero good in man whatsoever.
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And you wonder why religion is failing miserably in the west. :roll:
 
Northern Light said:
On a personal level, I actually don't care about this ruling because in reality a bigoted baker would not last long in the modern world. The free market would crush them.

But on a civil law level, I understand the court's decision. If you can refuse service based on homosexuality, then that opens the door to refuse services to the other protected classes of people, which goes against the spirit of anti-segregation laws. If you have a pro-gay bakery here and an anti-gay bakery over there then it's basically the return of the gay version of Jim Crow, and we worked for 80+ years to undo that crap.

I don't really care if they got into the business before or after same-sex marriage. Personal beliefs don't hinder one's ability to bake a cake. The whole thing is immature and righteous. There's something called professionalism which the religious right totally lack. They feel entitled to crap on other people and make assertions about their rights to be bigots. I don't like that the courts have to get involved. If people would just treat others with decency, we wouldn't need big brother to decide for us. Instead, the righteous run their mouths and then it becomes a national rule that a branch of government has to decide on.

We are a childish society. Personally, if I were a baker, I'd pride myself on making the best cakes possible regardless of who it's for. That's how you gain positive reputation and make money. If your righteous beliefs matter more to you than conducting good business then I question your professionalism.
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You and others on the site talk about the law....which I don’t dispute

What I guess we will find out is if religious beliefs are trumped by state mandates

I don’t have the same zealotry as the bakers, but I respect their right to practice their faith as THEY believe, not what you, I, or someone else thinks they should believe

You talk of professionalism....I agree that people should show pride in their work, and do the absolute best job they can every time they take on a commitment

In this case, they refused the job, refused the money, because of their commitment to their religion

You may not believe what they do....many don’t....the question is, do they have a right to follow their religion and to still be in business.....public accommodation laws say no.....I say those are wrong...I guess the Supreme Court will make a final determination

Final point....this country was founded by people who left other countries in order to practice their faith as they believed....hence the first amendment....and in my humble opinion, nothing should supersede that
 
Cephus said:
And you wonder why religion is failing miserably in the west. :roll:
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No, this was prophesied in Scripture that there would be a "falling away" from the Truth. Started with the Mainline Protestant denominations as they turned their backs on the Word of God and adopted every popular idea that the world brings.
 
Fishking said:
Oh...I see you don't actually want to be ideologically consistent. How unsurprised I am.
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Did you just claim being forced to slaughter puppies to open any business is ideologically consistent agreeing to open public accommodation business you're not allowed to discriminate based on gender, race, religions sexual orientation etc


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gdgyva said:
You and others on the site talk about the law....which I don’t dispute

What I guess we will find out is if religious beliefs are trumped by state mandates

I don’t have the same zealotry as the bakers, but I respect their right to practice their faith as THEY believe, not what you, I, or someone else thinks they should believe

You talk of professionalism....I agree that people should show pride in their work, and do the absolute best job they can every time they take on a commitment

In this case, they refused the job, refused the money, because of their commitment to their religion

You may not believe what they do....many don’t....the question is, do they have a right to follow their religion and to still be in business.....public accommodation laws say no.....I say those are wrong...I guess the Supreme Court will make a final determination

Final point....this country was founded by people who left other countries in order to practice their faith as they believed....hence the first amendment....and in my humble opinion, nothing should supersede that
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Professionalism? According to these Leftists, they think people of Faith are not allowed to be Ambassadors of Christ in public. They are wrong. How many police, firefighters, MILITARY, and others are Christians? As the Romulan Centurian stated: "A Portion".
 
gdgyva said:
You and others on the site talk about the law....which I don’t dispute

What I guess we will find out is if religious beliefs are trumped by state mandates

I don’t have the same zealotry as the bakers, but I respect their right to practice their faith as THEY believe, not what you, I, or someone else thinks they should believe

You talk of professionalism....I agree that people should show pride in their work, and do the absolute best job they can every time they take on a commitment

In this case, they refused the job, refused the money, because of their commitment to their religion

You may not believe what they do....many don’t....the question is, do they have a right to follow their religion and to still be in business.....public accommodation laws say no.....I say those are wrong...I guess the Supreme Court will make a final determination

Final point....this country was founded by people who left other countries in order to practice their faith as they believed....hence the first amendment....and in my humble opinion, nothing should supersede that
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Since when is violating the rights of others called practicing your faith? It is sad when religion is so debased that hatred is a sacrament.
 
gdgyva said:
What I guess we will find out is if religious beliefs are trumped by state mandates
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Thier beliefs aren't being trump they are free to have them
gdgyva said:
I don’t have the same zealotry as the bakers, but I respect their right to practice their faith as THEY believe, not what you, I, or someone else thinks they should believe
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How are they not free to practice has they believe?
Who is making them follow what others want?
gdgyva said:
You talk of professionalism....I agree that people should show pride in their work, and do the absolute best job they can every time they take on a commitment
In this case, they refused the job, refused the money, because of their commitment to their religion
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Yes a choice based on them view gays as lessers so they chose to break the law.
gdgyva said:
You may not believe what they do....many don’t....the question is, do they have a right to follow their religion and to still be in business.....public accommodation laws say no.....I say those are wrong...I guess the Supreme Court will make a final determination
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Thats not what the court is determining at all, they are completely free to follow their religion and be in business. Wow why to people try to pain such disphest pictures when they know they cant be supported in anyway.
gdgyva said:
Final point....this country was founded by people who left other countries in order to practice their faith as they believed....hence the first amendment....and in my humble opinion, nothing should supersede that
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That's weird since you support the direct opposite of that. Guess the faith of the customers dont matter to you . . oops hypocrisy exposed
 
iguanaman said:
Since when is violating the rights of others called practicing your faith? It is sad when religion is so debased that hatred is a sacrament.
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Exactly some only care about rights they see fit.
 
Fishking said:
Oh...I see you don't actually want to be ideologically consistent. How unsurprised I am.
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It's not "ideologically consistent." Your comparison of a business abiding by PA laws to forcing a business owner, by law, to chop off puppies heads as a condition to open a business is as dumb as a box of rocks in a lead-lined bucket of raw salmonella-soaked cookie dough, which you appear to be an avid imbiber.
 
Fishking said:
I accept your 2nd and 3rd concessions as well.
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Good for you. At least this way you too have something because intelligent reasoning and facts you certainly do not.

This is getting awfully embarrassing.
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Yes, the total ignorance, primitive thinking and lack of intelligence in your posts certainly is. Yet for some reason it does not seem to deter you from further posting the same drivel.
 
truthatallcost said:
Absolutely absurd. To financially ruin a married couple over a cake is a much graver issue than two women not being sold a cake.
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To contribute to the systemic homophobia of American society is a much graver issue than being fined $135,000 for operating as bigots in an illegal way.
 
truthatallcost said:
You think it's appropriate to bankrupt a family & business over a frigging cake. And others here agree with you. That's scary.
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For the same reasons, if I may assume, that you think other criminals should suffer consequences for other breaking laws.
 
Northern Light said:
Irrelevant.

Running a business is not a right but a privilege. To get a business license you agree to civil laws. Just because businesses are private does not mean they can do whatever they want. They have to agree to collective rules which benefit everyone and help the economy to run smoothly.

How is to beneficial to society to make an exception where a baker can deny service to gay people?

The religious are not special and they don't get special access to discriminate. They are bound by the same business laws as everyone else. Don't like it? Don't open a business.
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Right then... we're only supposed to bend the rules for non-Christians. Bingo!

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The religious are not special and they don't get special...
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You must amend that to say, 'Christians are not special and they don't get the same butt-kissing we give to others religious folks'.
 
truthatallcost said:
Have you ever been to Portland before? The lesbian couple could of had hundreds of gay themed wedding cakes made for them, some from actual gay bakers. Yet they chose to harass a Christian couple. That's not a coincidence.
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Even if the gay couple tageted this particular bakery (they didn't), the bakery violated the law.
 
LaylaWindu said:
Exactly some only care about rights they see fit.
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They don't care about equality for everyone, only for themselves and their bizarre beliefs.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
That last statement is the the statement of a person who doesn't understand discrimination from the victims' perspective. Your self righteous bloviations about liberty ring hollow.
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Awww....you were doing so much better for a little bit there. Now you're back to throw-away non-points of someone who thinks only as deep as sound bites and memes. Oh well.
 
truthatallcost said:
Right then... we're only supposed to bend the rules for non-Christians. Bingo!

Christian students not allowed to pray before basketball game
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Who can stop them from talking to themselves? What they're not being allowed to do is make a public spectacle. Try again.
 
iguanaman said:
LOL Are you running a public business from your home? That may also be illegal without proper zoning yet I don't hear you railing about how zoning laws are violating peoples rights. In fact you limit your argument to hateful behaviors made in the name of religion. Why is that?
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This thread isn't about zoning laws, which are also largely overstepping of the government.
 
joG said:
Not that I feel that we shouldn't all be tolerant of everything others do. But I am a heretic in believing gays should be too.

I also believe that when a state changes the protections of citizens guaranteed by its constitution without going about it in the fully legitimate way, it is inexcusably stupid of the citizens doing it.

It is also extremely dangerous to meddle in religious practice as for the really religious the demands of the creed override those of the state and must out of their very logic.
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Tell us please how the gay couple were being intolerant.
 
Paperview said:
It's not "ideologically consistent." Your comparison of a business abiding by PA laws to forcing a business owner, by law, to chop off puppies heads as a condition to open a business is as dumb as a box of rocks in a lead-lined bucket of raw salmonella-soaked cookie dough, which you appear to be an avid imbiber.
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Yes, yes...I understand that you think your condition is A-OK to impose on someone, against their beliefs and ideology, but it's not OK for something else that you disagree with being forced on people. This is not a shock. This is expected.
 
prometeus said:
Good for you. At least this way you too have something because intelligent reasoning and facts you certainly do not.

Yes, the total ignorance, primitive thinking and lack of intelligence in your posts certainly is. Yet for some reason it does not seem to deter you from further posting the same drivel.
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You haven't provided intelligent reasoning, hence me just crapping all over you. So you can't provide an intelligent argument and you can't provide even good entertaining due to weak insults. Is there anything that you're actually good at?
 
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