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    re: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    I think you are protected from doing a message you disagree with. For example, the bakery could probably refuse to write “Gay Pride” on the cake, but they can’t refuse to sell them the cake. I might be talking out of my ass, though.
    If the baker was expected to craft a message of some kind that was antithetical to their principles (e.g. "Gays Are Great!"), then my sympathies lie more on their end. And I'll even go one further: if they were even so much as asked to put a decoration that was antithetical to their principles, such as two same-gendered people on the cake, then that would likewise fall into the freedom of artistic message department. But if all they were asked to do was make a regular message-neutral cake and refused to make it for the couple, then my sympathies for the bakers come to a full stop.

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    re: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    For those better informed, what was the baker expected to design for the gay couple?
    The same cake he would have designed for a straight couple.

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    re: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    Quote Originally Posted by Athanasius68 View Post
    The same cake he would have designed for a straight couple.
    If it is as you say, then the baker is crap out of luck as far as I'm concerned.

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    re: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Good. If these people want to be open to the public then they need to serve the general public. They're more than welcome to make their restaurant a private location that only accepts club members etc.
    This has to be the first time I have ever agreed with you. Are you sure you meant that?

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    re: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    I'm not surprised that spasms still occur related to LGBTQ equality. I am encouraged that courts continue to stand on the right side of history though. When's the last time a black American had to sue for public accommodations? LGBTQ Americans will get there too.
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    re: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    Public conveyance, housing, and emergency medicine are set aside by law in federal mandates

    You canít discriminate for any of them because they are necessities
    then your point is that one could discriminate against a black customer and refuse to sell him a cake only because he is black? i don't think so
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    re: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    If it is as you say, then the baker is crap out of luck as far as I'm concerned.
    Not neccessaily. The objection was to gay marriage.

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    re: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    The ruling seems consistent with the law. But I disagree with the law.
    Good thing public disagreement doesn't matter to (most) judges.
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    re: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    Quote Originally Posted by MateoMtnClimber View Post
    I'm not surprised that spasms still occur related to LGBTQ equality. I am encouraged that courts continue to stand on the right side of history though. When's the last time a black American had to sue for public accommodations? LGBTQ Americans will get there too.
    The couple wasnt being denied because they were gay. They were being denied because they were getting married.

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    re: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    Quote Originally Posted by Athanasius68 View Post
    Not neccessaily. The objection was to gay marriage.
    And the first amendment grants them the right to make that objection. It does not, however, grant them the right to deny equal service in a public accommodation business.

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