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    re: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    Quote Originally Posted by cuban smokes View Post
    if Hitler's fascism could have only involved baking cakes for harmless gay folk instead of the genocide of the Jews ........ yep, those 'merican gays are some really dangerous people ...........
    Did I mention Hitler? No, so irrelevant.

    The state forcing people to use their talents, craft, and extensions of who they are to support things they believe are wrong is fascism. Do you think White Nationalist Nazi's should be allowed to force someone to use their services to aid their rally? People should have a right to conscience. There is a distinction between not serving someone because they are gay and between not wanting to use a service to advance a gay wedding someone may believe is sinful or wrong.

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    it is fascist to compel a business open to the public to sell to gay customers?

    was it fascist to compel publicly operated motels to offer rooms to customers who are black?
    See above. Do you think "equality" and protections should extend to the gay sign maker who doesn't want to make "got hates fags" billboards for Westboro because they are a religious group?
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    re: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Fascism is alive in America. ****ing disgusting.
    Well that is a stretch.
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    re: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Did I mention Hitler? No, so irrelevant.

    The state forcing people to use their talents, craft, and extensions of who they are to support things they believe are wrong is fascism. Do you think White Nationalist Nazi's should be allowed to force someone to use their services to aid their rally? People should have a right to conscience. There is a distinction between not serving someone because they are gay and between not wanting to use a service to advance a gay wedding someone may believe is sinful or wrong.



    See above. Do you think "equality" and protections should extend to the gay sign maker who doesn't want to make "got hates fags" billboards for Westboro because they are a religious group?
    if folks would just bake a goddamn cake for a goddamn customer, we would not be having this goddamn conversation ..............
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    re: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    . I'm unclear on whether the ruling sets the precedent that business owners/artists/etc. would be required to express a message counter to their vision or principles.
    It would seem to do so-- depending upon the message.

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    re: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    Quote Originally Posted by cuban smokes View Post
    if folks would just bake a goddamn cake for a goddamn customer, we would not be having this goddamn conversation ..............
    Address my point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    Well that is a stretch.
    I know it is, but I feel that such laws are totalitarian and violate religious freedoms and someone's ability to operate within the frame of their conscience.
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    re: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    For those better informed, what was the baker expected to design for the gay couple?

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    re: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    The ruling seems consistent with the law. But I disagree with the law.
    Absolutely. This seems consistent with the law, but the law isn't a good one. There's an issue of proportionality. That's a stunning fine over a cake worth a few hundred dollars, where a cake could be purchased from many other vendors. It seems ridiculous to destroy a business where there was no real harm. And are other public accommodations pursued with such vigor? How much does this city fine people for parking in a handicapped space?

    No question is going to get challenged on constitutional grounds. This isn't finished.

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    re: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'm iffy on that as well. I turned down a commission some time ago because it would have required me to express a message antithetical to my principles and which would not have helped my portfolio, to put it delicately. I'm unclear on whether the ruling sets the precedent that business owners/artists/etc. would be required to express a message counter to their vision or principles.

    It's unclear from the article what, exactly the bakers were expected to do differently with the cake in question.
    I think you are protected from doing a message you disagree with. For example, the bakery could probably refuse to write “Gay Pride” on the cake, but they can’t refuse to sell them the cake. I might be talking out of my ass, though.
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    re: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    it is fascist to compel a business open to the public to sell to gay customers?

    was it fascist to compel publicly operated motels to offer rooms to customers who are black?
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    re: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake [W:1685]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Address my point.

    OK, I will address your point: If a Christian does not desire to perform the service of making a cake for a 'gay' wedding in America then the Christian cake baker should move to Saudi Arabia, or Iraq, or Yemen, or Afghanistan, and be a Muslim, that hates gays. Did Jebus say, "my followers, hate your gay neighbor & do NOT bake your gay neighbor a gay wedding cake, or you shall surly go to Hell?" No, Jebus did not .......... IMO, no matter if one agrees, or disagrees, as long as they are in 'merica they should be amenable to providing such a service to those they may disagree with. 'merica is about integration; if the cake baker is so adverse to gay folk, then move the **** to some other country ...........
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