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    Re: Jailed Russian says he hacked DNC on Kremlin’s orders and can prove it

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Of course, the flip side to that line of reasoning is that the Republicans were calling Russia a geo-political foe, yet too many now consider their meddling in our elections no big deal. Which is it? (for the record, I think Romney "overstated" the Russian foe quality and Obama understated it). They are not a friend of the US.

    As to evidence of collusion or other election improprieties (including obstruction of justice), you are just going to have to be patient. There is an incredible team working on this.

    Lawyers Robert Mueller hired for the Trump-Russia investigation - Business Insider

    They will likely nail some and clear some. You will just have to be patient. No one likes spoilers.
    An investigation is occuring into the actions of the current president. Yet the evidence that pops up seems to keep pointing to shennanigans by his predecessor and by the person the current president beat.
    Such is the cause of 'whataboutism.'

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    Re: Jailed Russian says he hacked DNC on Kremlin’s orders and can prove it

    Quote Originally Posted by Athanasius68 View Post
    Well yes. It serms that the FBI was seeking out FISA warrants based upon anti-Trump information supplied to the Democrats by the Russian government.
    Perhaps that is the interference he is referring to?
    Oh, sure, sure, it was all interference by the Democrats, not by the Russians at all.


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    Re: Jailed Russian says he hacked DNC on Kremlin’s orders and can prove it

    Quote Originally Posted by Athanasius68 View Post
    Russia launches an effort to screw with the USA election and its a problem just for the Democrats?
    How about 'How does Russia think it can get away with something like that'? Doesnt their lack of concern suggest a problem?
    what did they actually do?

    what did they actually screw with?

    people keep alluding that trump's team paid for it to happen, yet we are miles from any proof on that aspect from what i see

    do i like they tried messing with the election? no

    but it would be nice if we actually knew what if anything they accomplished....

    and was it done because we mess with other countries elections, or was Putin trying to get something to happen, or did someone high up in government want it to happen?

    all speculation right now....and we dont even know if this guy is telling the truth
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    Re: Jailed Russian says he hacked DNC on Kremlin’s orders and can prove it

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh, sure, sure, it was all interference by the Democrats, not by the Russians at all.
    Look-- if you wish to argue Russia attempted to interfere with 2016 election, no argunent from me.

    But if you wish to argue that Trump colluded with that interference, I am sorry, there simply is a dearth of evidence supporting the assertion.

    And if you wish to argue that Trump and others might/will face jail time behind this, then I am sorry to say, but there is no evidence, that would be suitable in a court of law, that Russia even interfered in the election.
    And since that cant be proven, it can hardly be proven there was collusion.

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    Re: Jailed Russian says he hacked DNC on Kremlin’s orders and can prove it

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    You really should do a little research into how polling works. This concept of "oversampling" of democrats is actually a refinement in polling technique that allows pollsters to better understand sub-demographics. The Democrats tend to have more sub-demographics than Republicans (the Dems include far more numerous ethnic groups). To a lay person or someone that does what they are told by Fox News this is believed to be some type of poll manipulation, but to educated people that understand the science of statistical sampling, it shows polling sophistication.

    You need to do a much better job of independently verifying the garbage you are getting from Fox and other political porn sites. This will help.

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    Oversampling is used to study small groups, not bias poll results | Pew Research Center




    See they depend on your arrogant gullibility.


    Your vaunted pollsters over-sample democrats by 10-15% plus way over-sample independents. You then arrogantly proclaim this is "Scientific". Let me ask you then. if trump received 2% less votes than hillary in the popular, why would you way oversample democrats?


    They count on your close minded team sports arrogance. yet you and your ilk are constantly embarrassed by these fraudulent polls.


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    You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.
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    Re: Jailed Russian says he hacked DNC on Kremlin’s orders and can prove it

    Quote Originally Posted by Athanasius68 View Post
    Look-- if you wish to argue Russia attempted to interfere with 2016 election, no argunent from me.

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    Good. That has been my argument all along.


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    Re: Jailed Russian says he hacked DNC on Kremlin’s orders and can prove it

    Quote Originally Posted by Athanasius68 View Post
    Russia launches an effort to screw with the USA election and its a problem just for the Democrats?
    How about 'How does Russia think it can get away with something like that'? Doesnt their lack of concern suggest a problem?
    The problem with an assumption of Russia targeting Trump is it misses the obvious purpose of Russian meddling. The goal of Russian meddling is to undermine the confidence that US citizens have in their democratic institutions. Full stop.

    That being the goal, there is no better and more fertile soil to sew such distrust than in the hearts and minds of the losing side. To assume that Russian meddling just took a gamble and went all in on Trump (when all conventional wisdom gave him a single digit chance of winning) is pretty crazy and not supported by the evidence. Putin is many things, but he doesn't show any signs of being a political gambler. He covers all the bases. Russia did nothing that has been proven to actually significantly change the voting pattern of American voters. The Russian Facebook ads were targeting wing nuts on both sides of the political spectrum. They sewed the seeds of discontent on both sides, and it just happens that the seeds sewn with Republican voters didn't sprout because Trump won, while the seeds sewn with the Democrats blossomed.

    Honest question: What would the anti-Trumpers on this forum think Putin's disposition is on the Mueller investigation? How do you think he wants that to turn out and why?
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    Re: Jailed Russian says he hacked DNC on Kremlin’s orders and can prove it

    Sounds like a DNC problem that needs to be prosecuted. How did that affect the election results?? seems your outrage is misguided but certainly predictable. Those great Trump economic numbers are indeed staggering

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    Re: Jailed Russian says he hacked DNC on Kremlin’s orders and can prove it

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    Sounds like a DNC problem that needs to be prosecuted. How did that affect the election results?? seems your outrage is misguided but certainly predictable. Those great Trump economic numbers are indeed staggering
    Yea thanx for the hyper partisan BS, but things kept on a hard drive are private property. And I deeply believe in private property rights. No doubt the DNC had some incriminating things stolen from them and made public. ANd if what was released by Russia in that data breach bothers you then pursue it. But you have to realize at some point that the information was released because of foreign nation wanted to destabilize the US. And as it stands it appears that the Trump campaign was involved in some way with the attack on the US. Now I dont know about you, but I find that very alarming even if Trump naively not knowing wtf he was doing was manipulated by Russia its still something that needs to be thoroughly investigated. But here you are chasing the carrot that Putin is waving in front of you.

    AT this point I view hyper partisan politics as anti American. You are playing into the enemies hand. And make no mistake Putin is our enemy as much as Stalin, Hitler, Mao or anyone else like that was. We are not ever going to get along with Putin, like our traitor President thinks we could. IMO the best action at this point is for Americans to reject the president and to pit the world against Putin and stop him in his tracks. Much like North Korea a choice needs to be made, either we sit by and let it happen or we become proactive. But then again people like you are too busy attacking your rival political party.

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    Re: Jailed Russian says he hacked DNC on Kremlin’s orders and can prove it

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Yea thanx for the hyper partisan BS, but things kept on a hard drive are private property. And I deeply believe in private property rights. No doubt the DNC had some incriminating things stolen from them and made public. ANd if what was released by Russia in that data breach bothers you then pursue it. But you have to realize at some point that the information was released because of foreign nation wanted to destabilize the US. And as it stands it appears that the Trump campaign was involved in some way with the attack on the US. Now I dont know about you, but I find that very alarming even if Trump naively not knowing wtf he was doing was manipulated by Russia its still something that needs to be thoroughly investigated. But here you are chasing the carrot that Putin is waving in front of you.

    AT this point I view hyper partisan politics as anti American. You are playing into the enemies hand. And make no mistake Putin is our enemy as much as Stalin, Hitler, Mao or anyone else like that was. We are not ever going to get along with Putin, like our traitor President thinks we could. IMO the best action at this point is for Americans to reject the president and to pit the world against Putin and stop him in his tracks. Much like North Korea a choice needs to be made, either we sit by and let it happen or we become proactive. But then again people like you are too busy attacking your rival political party.
    Appreciate your opinion but that is all it is. Too bad the same scrutiny wasn't done on Hillary. We had two choices and I chose Trump. So far the results support my vote and the change being generated is positive. PC bs has to stop and Trump is doing that.

    Russia doesn't concern me at all China does. No votes were hacked and all the charges against Trump are partisan and you know it

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