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Jailed Russian says he hacked DNC on Kremlin’s orders and can prove it

Fenton Lum said:
The power structure has no interest in ever resolving this completely. The diversion is stunningly useful to the corporate state.
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Agreed. Keep the citizens entertained at the Colosseum and they'll have less interest in burning down the Forum.
 
haymarket said:
Top Trump campaign officials met with Russians who said there was governmental information which would help them in the campaign against Clinton. Before the meeting they even discussed how to best use the information and even the timing of how to release it to maximum help to Trump.
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I see you are trying to ignore what I posted, what the 2 Fusion GPS employees alleged is they had information that the Clinton campaign accepted money from Russian nationals. Something which would need to be corroborated before reporting it to the FEC and possible news release if the FEC refused to look at the information...because it is a campaign finance crime.
 
haymarket said:
Actually its based on me being a patriotic American who wants to find out how this happened and the steps we need to take to make sure it does not happen again.
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Yes, but you seem very cloudy on the "what" of actually happening.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Poor analogy. We are talking about using Russian intelligence sources to put together a dossier that may or may not contain misinformation. Your silly analogies are just a way to dodge the facts.
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Actually its a perfect analogy - you just resent it because it proves the utter folly of the claims about Clinton and Russia and the dossier.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Yes, but you seem very cloudy on the "what" of actually happening.
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Cloudy!?!?!?!?!? :doh:roll: I have no idea what you are talking about. I have been very clear about the Trump Russia collusion for a very long time now.
 
OpportunityCost said:
I see you are trying to ignore what I posted, what the 2 Fusion GPS employees alleged is they had information that the Clinton campaign accepted money from Russian nationals. Something which would need to be corroborated before reporting it to the FEC and possible news release if the FEC refused to look at the information...because it is a campaign finance crime.
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Where is that alleged information?
 
GDViking said:
Yes and what was also widely known was Steele was originally hired by republicans and was turned over by John McCain as it contains a ton of evidence that trump is a traitor, and we all know McCain hates traitors
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Clinton campaign, DNC helped fund Trump dossier research, report says - CNNPolitics

The Washington Post was first to report news of the Clinton campaign and DNC's involvement with the dossier, and a source familiar with the matter confirmed the Post's reporting to CNN on Tuesday.

The newspaper, citing people familiar with the matter, said a lawyer representing the Clinton campaign and the DNC hired Fusion GPS, which in turn hired former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele, whose research makes up the document. The Post said Perkins Coie lawyer Marc Elias retained the research firm in April 2016 as the GOP primary was winding down and Trump was increasingly likely to clinch his party's nomination, and that Fusion GPS hired Steele after the Democratic funding began and the general election picture grew clearer.
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Note bolded, please.
 
haymarket said:
Where is that alleged information?
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Subpoenaed by Mueller, I would assume. If you want to doubt the information head to the link and read up.

Second thought, since they had no corroboration, I don't know that we will ever see it, as it may be entirely false. According to information regarding the meeting they presented no evidence of what they claimed to get the meeting in the first place.
 
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haymarket said:
Actually it is proof of just what I stated: That the top level people on the Trump campaign willingly met with Russians who told them they had information which would help them in the campaign against Clinton and they were supported by the Russian government. And they met with them enthusiastically hoping to get that information and even discussed how to best time it to their advantage.

That is collusion any way you slice it.

If by something different happening - you are referring to the cover up and lying to agents - yes, that is happening also. And those things are also crimes arising out of the entire Russian-Trump again so they are fair game under the mandate given to Mueller.

But I would fully expect the final report will provide us with much more than that - we will get actual point by point of the actual collusion with Russia during the campaign to interfere in the election and do with the cooperation of the Trump campaign.
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They did so while their parent firm, Fusion GPS, was under contract with the Clinton campaign through the intermediary of the Perkins-Coie law firm. It all looks very suspicious that members of that company would go to DJT Jr while the DNC was paying them for opposition research, doesn't it?
 
haymarket said:
Actually its a perfect analogy - you just resent it because it proves the utter folly of the claims about Clinton and Russia and the dossier.
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I prefer the facts, not poorly twisted analogies.
 
haymarket said:
Cloudy!?!?!?!?!? :doh:roll: I have no idea what you are talking about. I have been very clear about the Trump Russia collusion for a very long time now.
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But you have no clue of who the actual people involved are, where they are from, who employed them, and who hired whom. Some remedial reading seems in order.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
That's your first issue. you are believing polls. how well that work out for your ilk on election night?
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:roll: Election polls are not opinion polls. Moreover, the 2016 election polls pretty much nailed the popular vote..... I have a very long-winded explanation of the difference between and election poll and an opinion, if you need to be schooled....

If you are ambitious enough to shed your scales of ignorance....

https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...-obama-after-first-year-6.html#post1067991169
 
haymarket said:
Trump publicly invited the Russians to help him in his campaign.

Top level Trump campaign officials accepted an invitation to meet with Russians who claimed they could help with information against Clinton to be weaponized for use in the campaign. And then they attended that meeting with Russians . That is collusion regardless of what resulted.

Even noted conservative FOX News commentator Charles Krauthammer wisely observed that bungled collusion is still collusion.
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What's quite funny is that according to the various timelines I have read, the Russians at the time they were alleged to have been "colluding" with the Trump campaign, were employees or contractors of Fusion GPS, which was under contract from the Clinton campaign on behalf of Perkins-Coie.

So this so called collusion occurred while they worked FOR the Clinton campaign? I don't believe in coincidences.
 
jmotivator said:
Are you ****ing serious? Canceling the Iran deal, arming Ukraine, green lighting Keystone, renewing coal excavation, pushing Israeli sovereignty in the UN, all of this is bad for Putin.

And you don't "deal" with hostile foreign nations to stop incursions into US politics. They will do it forever and always. Our ALLIES never agree to such things and continue to do it. The way you stop that is with heightened security and vigilance which I trust more with Trump than with an asshole who put her State Department email sever in her ****ing basement on a public IP, or a bunch of nitwits who hired a family of Pakistani spies to run the IT department in congress.
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LOL You think the Iran deal is cancelled? Congress has done nothing of the sort. There have been no arms shipped to Ukraine either. Trump is notorious for saying things and then not doing them. This will be yet another example. As far as Russian meddling in our elections, it was an act of war and we cannot allow it to continue.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Subpoenaed by Mueller, I would assume. If you want to doubt the information head to the link and read up.
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I am simply not clear as what exactly this information is suppose to say, let alone how it negates the Trump Russian collusion.
 
OpportunityCost said:
They did so while their parent firm, Fusion GPS, was under contract with the Clinton campaign through the intermediary of the Perkins-Coie law firm. It all looks very suspicious that members of that company would go to DJT Jr while the DNC was paying them for opposition research, doesn't it?
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Fusion GPS is an American company. The Clinton campaign had their contract with an American company. I do not see the problem you are trying to invent.
 
haymarket said:
I am simply not clear as what exactly this information is suppose to say, let alone how it negates the Trump Russian collusion.
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Quid pro nothing does not collusion make.
 
haymarket said:
Fusion GPS is an American company. The Clinton campaign had their contract with an American company. I do not see the problem you are trying to invent.
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That's a rather conveniently blind position to adopt, isn't it?
 
Blkdirt Farmer said:
Seth Rich was killed by the Clintons and the DNC. He was the leaker to Wiki leaks. Take it to the bank.
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Yeah, you know you should probably loosen the chin strap on your tin-foil hat there guy. With your mouth clamped shut like that you aren't able to breathe very well.

Just lookin out for ya. :)
 
Thoreau72 said:
And so far all he has is that the Russians actually rejected Flynn's efforts regarding the pro-Israeli vote at the UN.

There is no evidence the Russians did anything regarding our election, except RT buying some ads on Facebook.

Talk about a tempest in a teapot......Much ado about nothing at all. Mueller and Congress fiddle as Rome burns.
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Incorrect. Why not spend a little time with this Wikipedia article, including checking out some of the 392 supporting cites and try making that statement.... better yet, why not refute every one of the 392 cites.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

You can tell us that you are not convinced; but telling us there is "no evidence" is living in the world of ignorance.
 
OpportunityCost said:
But you have no clue of who the actual people involved are, where they are from, who employed them, and who hired whom. Some remedial reading seems in order.
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That is ridiculous. We all know
1- who invited Russia to get involved in his campaign and help him,
2- who accepted a meeting with the Russians with the promise of dirt on Clinton
3- who attended the meeting with Russians to get dirt on Clinton
4- who exchanged emails messages expressing glee about the prospect and even speculation as to how to weaponize and time it to their advantage

Those are very specifics and the names and faces and motivations and actions are well established.
 
OpportunityCost said:
What's quite funny is that according to the various timelines I have read, the Russians at the time they were alleged to have been "colluding" with the Trump campaign, were employees or contractors of Fusion GPS, which was under contract from the Clinton campaign on behalf of Perkins-Coie.

So this so called collusion occurred while they worked FOR the Clinton campaign? I don't believe in coincidences.
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As already been explained, we are back to the bottle of vodka I buy at my local party store with the claim then being that I am dealing with Russia. Its absurd.

Fusion is an American company. There is no shame nor crime in dealing with them.
 
OpportunityCost said:
What's quite funny is that according to the various timelines I have read, the Russians at the time they were alleged to have been "colluding" with the Trump campaign, were employees or contractors of Fusion GPS, which was under contract from the Clinton campaign on behalf of Perkins-Coie.

So this so called collusion occurred while they worked FOR the Clinton campaign? I don't believe in coincidences.
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Wow. Can you get anymore confused? No one in the Clinton campaign had contacts with Russians. Fusion GPS hired Steele who used his inside Russian contacts to prepare the dossier. Several of Steele's Russian informants lost their lives because of it when Putin found out about the leaks. Trump's people were in contact with members of Russian Govt. and close friends of Putin. Big difference.

Mystery death of ex-KGB chief linked to MI6 spy's dossier on Donald Trump
 
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