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Public opposition to tax bill grows as vote approaches

ludin said:
This is simple. In order to get around the filibuster the republicans had to jump through some hoops to get there. one of those hoops is setting a max on
how much money they are going to spend. before the bill was even formalized liberals in congress had their heart already set on filibuster any attempt at tax reform.
why? because it would actually mean people pay less taxes and that is against most liberal philosophy.

keeping us competitive in the corporate market is important. the average top marginal rate in the world among developed countries is about 25%. in the US the top marginal rate is 35%.
by keeping corporate taxes lower and in line with everyone else we become more competitive. it opens more opportunities for job growth and job creation.

it isn't so much corporations but for small and medium size businesses that we want to grow into corporations.

the next reason is that in 2026 the congress that doesn't renew it will be labeled as hiking taxes on the working people.
so it is sort of a bargain chip to the next congress.

renew it or face voter backlash.
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Yeah, it's as good as baked in. Which means the GOP's numbers as to how much this will really cost are all lies. Having those cuts expire makes the numbers "look" better.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
It hasn't been read by people who have been told to hate it, for one.
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It seems not to have been read by the people expected to sign it either.............
 
shagg said:
So the expiration date on the middle class tax cuts is ... a penalty, on the middle class .... because Dem politicians didn't participate in the process.

Man, that's going to be popular. The GOP are really playing the long game here, eh?
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Nope not at all. In order to get around democratic opposition the bill itself had to be limited due to how it was brought to the floor.
it is following the rules of budget reconciliation.

had the liberals decided to be part of the process instead of the party of no we could have had a better bill.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
Yeah, it's as good as baked in. Which means the GOP's numbers as to how much this will really cost are all lies. Having those cuts expire makes the numbers "look" better.
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the numbers have to expire due to how budget reconciliation works. if liberals weren't being obstructionist then we could have had a permanent tax bill instead of a temporary one.
 
ludin said:
the numbers have to expire due to how budget reconciliation works. if liberals weren't being obstructionist then we could have had a permanent tax bill instead of a temporary one.
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What particular part of budget reconciliation forced the GOP to put an expiration date on the middle class tax cuts?
 
j-mac said:
First - We don't govern by poll. That's how libs do things.

Second - You don't speak for the "middle class"

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Cool post. I'm glad you made it. Because I posted more than a few times that I am speaking for the middle class. You can of course link them, right?

Nobody said anyone "governs" by poll, either.

You shouldn't nip at the cooking sherry while posting. It forces you to post idiotic posts like this one.
 
shagg said:
What particular part of budget reconciliation forced the GOP to put an expiration date on the middle class tax cuts?
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the process says they can only spend so much money.
they set the bill at 1.5 trillion. that is all they can spend.

so you can't get everything that you want in the bill.
 
TheGoverness said:
Polls are fake news, Tres. You should know this.
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As late as Nov. 8 2016 10:00 mainstream media was predicting it would be business as usual tomorrow and liberals wouldn't be in this mess they created.

The next step is getting rid of the Rino's in Congress. Both parties.
 
ludin said:
the numbers have to expire due to how budget reconciliation works. if liberals weren't being obstructionist then we could have had a permanent tax bill instead of a temporary one.
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I understand the Dems not wanting to take part in giving tax breaks to right wing donors, or Corker, or Trump.

Vice President Pence, who has close ties to Koch's political empire, will deliver the keynote address. His remarks come less than two weeks after his chief of staff Nick Ayers urged another group of Republican contributors to consider funding a “purge” of Republican senators who fail to advance President Trump's agenda, according to an audio recording obtained by Politico.
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Give Trump and the KochHeads tax cuts, or die. Pretty simple.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ething-take-aim-senate-gop-leaders/750809001/
 
from what LITTLE is known of the bill aka the way the bill has been portrayed to the public, it stinks of nothing more than a uuuuuuuuuuge tax cut for the GOP donor class

why have credible government when you can have bought & paid for, one party government aka dictatorship?
 
ludin said:
the process says they can only spend so much money.
they set the bill at 1.5 trillion. that is all they can spend.

so you can't get everything that you want in the bill.
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So they only had so much money ...... and shorted the middle class because Democratic politicians didn't participate in the process.

I still don't see how that's any less bad. Without the Democrats there to intervene, the GOP screws the middle class?

I think they've just about given up on 2018 and are pushing whatever they can, while they still can.
 
shagg said:
So they only had so much money ...... and shorted the middle class because Democratic politicians didn't participate in the process.

I still don't see how that's any less bad. Without the Democrats there to intervene, the GOP screws the middle class?

I think they've just about given up on 2018 and are pushing whatever they can, while they still can.
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It's that bolded sentence for me. I couldn't agree more. I should have said that in my OP, because that too is what I think is going on here.
 
ludin said:
sorry but the party of no is the party of no. if liberals stop being obstructionist then they could have had a permanent tax cut.
the teacher thing is only half true.

teachers are capped at a 250 dollar deduction for classroom expenses period.
anything over that is out of their own pocket.

A closer look at the classroom-expenses deduction for teachers: How big is it? | PolitiFact

updated news

Final Tax Bill Keeps Teacher Deduction at $250, Cuts State and Local Deductions - Politics K-12 - Education Week

for the compromised bill the deduction stays at 250 dollars.

so your information is heavily outdated and frankly wrong.
either that or you knew about it and are just lying.
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You're blaming all f the bad parts of the bill on liberals when they provided no input and not one single vote, so it seems you're being purposely obtuse. The teacher credit was only changed later after the public outcry.

No, telling you no did not write in a bunch of **** into this bill, the GOP chose it for their corporate donors.
 
zimmer said:
She is certainly a blind and angry NeverTrumper. At times I think John McCain has joined the forum.

I’m a Conservative... probably more Libertarian, and I know Trump isn;t a Conservative, and might is Liberal on some issues. He’s changed his mind on some too over time.

What matters is what he said during the campaign, a lot of which is consistent with what he said decades ago.

So far, he’s kept his word better than any politician since Reagan in 1980.

It’s great to wake up every morning and realize Hillary isn’t continuing Obama’s destruction of America.
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Yeah, most clear headed people have begun to admit that Trump had a pretty good year policy wise from a conservative standpoint. The failed Obamacare repeal aside, the rest of it, from judge appointments to tax policy to international diplomacy has been very successful and pro-American.
 
ludin said:
hence why it is a limited bill instead of a full tax cut.
the party of no won't let it be a full tax bill.
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The Republicans could've just written it as a full tax bill and passed it because they have the majority.
 
tres borrachos said:
Come on, Republicans. You have a golden opportunity to pass a bill that simplifies the tax code and gives permanent tax relief to the people you most need to get on your side - the middle class. You need to live up to your promise to reduce the deficit. You need to at least put forth the appearance of not wanting to help the wealthy and the corporations.

But you didn't. This bill is bad, and will negatively impact you for a very long time. This is history repeating itself. Look at what the ACA did to the Democrats.

It's depressing.

With the House of Representatives likely to take up the Republican tax reform bill Tuesday, the plan faces growing opposition and a widespread perception that it will benefit the wealthy more than the middle class, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS.

Opposition to the bill has grown 10 points since early November, and 55% now oppose it. Just 33% say they favor the GOP's proposals to reform the nation's tax code.

Related: Full poll results

Two-thirds see the bill as doing more to benefit the wealthy than the middle class (66%, vs. 27% who say it'll do more to benefit the middle class) and almost four in 10 (37%) say that if the bill becomes law, their own family will be worse off. That's grown five points since early November. Just 21% say they'll be better off if the bill becomes law.

President Donald Trump, the bill's salesperson-in-chief, lands at an overall 35% approval rating in this poll, his worst mark yet in CNN polling by one point. Trump's approval ratings continue to be the lowest for any modern president at this point in his presidency. As of December of their first year in office, all first-time elected presidents back to Eisenhower have approval ratings of 49% or higher except for Trump.

More than six in 10 (63%) see the tax bill as leaving the President and his family better off. Just 5% think it harms the Trump clan. And disapproval of the President's handling of taxes has risen six points in the last month, to 57%.


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Public opposition to tax bill grows as vote approaches
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Total cost to taxpayers of 1 to 2 trillion dollars.
Beneficial to the rich and to business.
Largest tax cuts to the 95th to 99th percent brackets of the ultra-rich.
Very poorly written bill full of mistakes.
Opposed by 55% of Americans.
What's but to love about this worthless bill?
 
AliHajiSheik said:
It hasn't been read by people who have been told to hate it, for one.
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It's also not been read by the Congressmen about to vote for this POS. I'm pretty sure I've read far more of it than most. My Senator (#Corkerkickback) stopped at 2 pages. Good effort Bob!
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Why are Republicans so obsessed with creating jobs when the unemployment rate is at 4.1%?
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Not to mention there are like 7 million job openings. The correct skill set and experience seems to be the problem. Makes no sense to me either.

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jonny5 said:
Polls are bull****.



They over sampled democrats, and WAY oversampled independents, who are typically liberals who dont want to be identified. And 1000 people certainly cant speak for the entire country. Meanwhile 50 million people voted for Republicans in the last election to do exactly what theyre doing.
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And even more will turn out Nov 2018, and we all know who large turnouts favor eh ?
 
SMTA said:
Total cost to taxpayers of 1 to 2 trillion dollars.
Beneficial to the rich and to business.
Largest tax cuts to the 95th to 99th percent brackets of the ultra-rich.
Very poorly written bill full of mistakes.
Opposed by 55% of Americans.
What's but to love about this worthless bill?
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That depends on who you ask. Ask a Trump devotee, and they'll say "TRUMP". Even though he and his offspring will be laughing their ways to the bank at the expense of his oh so loyal fan base.
 
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