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2 Navy Airmen and an Object That ‘Accelerated Like Nothing I’ve Ever Seen’

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There's a story in today's New York Times about some incident in 2004 of an encounter between 2 US Navy jets and some kind of UFO (the article includes video of the encounter):

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/unidentified-flying-object-navy.html

The following recounts an incident in 2004 that advocates of research into U.F.O.s have said is the kind of event worthy of more investigation, and that was studied by a Pentagon program that investigated U.F.O.s. Experts caution that earthly explanations often exist for such incidents, and that not knowing the explanation does not mean that the event has interstellar origins.

Cmdr. David Fravor and Lt. Cmdr. Jim Slaight were on a routine training mission 100 miles out into the Pacific when the radio in each of their F/A-18F Super Hornets crackled: An operations officer aboard the U.S.S. Princeton, a Navy cruiser, wanted to know if they were carrying weapons.

“Two CATM-9s,” Commander Fravor replied, referring to dummy missiles that could not be fired. He had not been expecting any hostile exchanges off the coast of San Diego that November afternoon in 2004.

Commander Fravor, in a recent interview with The New York Times, recalled what happened next. Some of it is captured in a video made public by officials with a Pentagon program that investigated U.F.O.s.
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Strange they've waited all this time to talk about it.
 
many people that experience situations that are unfamiliar to them may not come forward to speak of their experiences for a very long time, some for decades; no surprise to me
 
cuban smokes said:
many people that experience situations that are unfamiliar to them may not come forward to speak of their experiences for a very long time, some for decades; no surprise to me
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Especially if the aliens run for President, in which case scores of people will come forward to tell how they were uncomfortably probed by them, but were too ashamed to say anything before. :roll:
 
Why is my $1000 Sony Bravia and my $100 Roku able to get better resolution than a plane that costs more than 12 generations of my income combined?
 
Interesting.....but no audio.

I wont begin to speculate.
 
sanman said:
There's a story in today's New York Times about some incident in 2004 of an encounter between 2 US Navy jets and some kind of UFO (the article includes video of the encounter):

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/unidentified-flying-object-navy.html




Strange they've waited all this time to talk about it.
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Reminds me of something a friend of mine saw, about 1983. He was outside at night shooting hoops with 2 other friends at a local school. He said a round, flat object slowly flew over them, a bit higher than the treetops. It had oval port holes all around it, about thirty feet in diameter. Completely silent.

He said they all looked at each other, and only said to get back to one of their houses and draw the object without input from each other. They all drew the same thing. Other sightings were reported.

I told this to my mother. She said she saw the same thing, only 20 years earlier, but much larger, and this one was hovering. I asked why she never said anything before, and she said she didn't think anyone would believe her.
 
Can we move this to the conspiracy section plz.
 
Anthony60 said:
Reminds me of something a friend of mine saw, about 1983. He was outside at night shooting hoops with 2 other friends at a local school. He said a round, flat object slowly flew over them, a bit higher than the treetops. It had oval port holes all around it, about thirty feet in diameter. Completely silent.

He said they all looked at each other, and only said to get back to one of their houses and draw the object without input from each other. They all drew the same thing. Other sightings were reported.

I told this to my mother. She said she saw the same thing, only 20 years earlier, but much larger, and this one was hovering. I asked why she never said anything before, and she said she didn't think anyone would believe her.
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And yet it makes no logical sense for an alien race advanced enough to travel all the way over here, then periodically buzz humans but not make any overt attempt to communicate. It would be a very reasonable assumption that species with the technology to make the journey within a time frame worthwhile to that specie's civilization would be able to monitor us from afar and that they would either do that OR try to communicate. The only thing that makes less sense are claims of abduction for purposes of anal probing.

Humans also do have a knack for making things up for attention from time to time....
 
Mr Person said:
And yet it makes no logical sense for an alien race advanced enough to travel all the way over here, then periodically buzz humans but not make any overt attempt to communicate. It would be a very reasonable assumption that species with the technology to make the journey within a time frame worthwhile to that specie's civilization would be able to monitor us from afar and that they would either do that OR try to communicate. The only thing that makes less sense are claims of abduction for purposes of anal probing.

Humans also do have a knack for making things up for attention from time to time....
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Well I think they would be more likely to pretend to be one of us and just learn about us directly. I think they would have laws like Startrek where they arent allowed to "interfere" with upcomming societies. But mayyyyyyybe they would be allowed to dig up information (like human on human doomsday stuff) and sorta give hints laying around for the relevant interested humans to "discover" "naturally".

I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves to a rogue leader who is about to run humanity off a cliff. Kind of a satanist point of view, which is scary. Like the Cult of "The End" that wants to end the world on purpose just to see if god exists.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Well I think they would be more likely to pretend to be one of us and just learn about us directly. I think they would have laws like Startrek where they arent allowed to "interfere" with upcomming societies. But mayyyyyyybe they would be allowed to dig up information (like human on human doomsday stuff) and sorta give hints laying around for the relevant interested humans to "discover" "naturally".

I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves to a rogue leader who is about to run humanity off a cliff. Kind of a satanist point of view, which is scary. Like the Cult of "The End" that wants to end the world on purpose just to see if god exists.
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Well, I think the mistake I made shares similarities with your reasoning; namely, assuming that thought patterns would be in any way comparable between a sentient creature that evolved on Earth and that on any other planet. I'd expect there to be some basic shared logical structure where mathematics and anything involving it is concerned. That may be the only universal language. But, what a species considers to be logical or sensible policy? I suppose that really is entirely up in the air.

There's the greater problem that the only life we tend to look for is carbon-based because that's what we know. But really, it could be anything. It's not like we've ruled out all possible combinations of all known elements, into all possible molecules, considered all possible chemical reactions, and generally worked out that our carbon-based structure is the only possible structure. If its sentient, I'd suspect that its thought processes - like ours - reflect the total history of its species, which ultimately involves the total evolutionary tree in various ways. If it evolved from life on another planet, in different conditions, then who knows what it might be like? I rather suspect that if we encounter alien life, we're more likely to not recognize it as life than we are to.

I rather suspect that if we encounter aliens of our own accord, it'll go something like Fiasco (Stanislaw Lem) - highly recommended book if you're into that sort of thing. Half-philosophy/half sci-fi....




Anyway, the anal probing is definitely silly.

These recordings are certainly provoking but there has to be an explanation. I doubt it's aliens. But....what do I know
 
Mr Person said:
And yet it makes no logical sense for an alien race advanced enough to travel all the way over here, then periodically buzz humans but not make any overt attempt to communicate. It would be a very reasonable assumption that species with the technology to make the journey within a time frame worthwhile to that specie's civilization would be able to monitor us from afar and that they would either do that OR try to communicate. The only thing that makes less sense are claims of abduction for purposes of anal probing.

Humans also do have a knack for making things up for attention from time to time....
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I don't know why the knee jerk reaction is people from another world. We make plenty of things that fly, there are plenty of strange things that happen here, and people see things and may be fooled by what they think they are seeing. All kinds of things that happen right on this planet.
 
Mr Person said:
And yet it makes no logical sense for an alien race advanced enough to travel all the way over here, then periodically buzz humans but not make any overt attempt to communicate. It would be a very reasonable assumption that species with the technology to make the journey within a time frame worthwhile to that specie's civilization would be able to monitor us from afar and that they would either do that OR try to communicate. The only thing that makes less sense are claims of abduction for purposes of anal probing.

Humans also do have a knack for making things up for attention from time to time....
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It has never made any sense why an alien would travel at least 4 light years away to just do a fly by.
 
Mr Person said:
And yet it makes no logical sense for an alien race advanced enough to travel all the way over here, then periodically buzz humans but not make any overt attempt to communicate. It would be a very reasonable assumption that species with the technology to make the journey within a time frame worthwhile to that specie's civilization would be able to monitor us from afar and that they would either do that OR try to communicate. The only thing that makes less sense are claims of abduction for purposes of anal probing.

Humans also do have a knack for making things up for attention from time to time....
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I have no doubt that there must be life out their. Have they been visiting us to impregnate our females for cross breeding purposes, nope.
 
Crosscheck said:
It has never made any sense why an alien would travel at least 4 light years away to just do a fly by.
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Right? You'd think you'd get at least a...

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