• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Rubio to vote against GOP tax bill unless tax credit for working poor is expanded

Puigb said:
Trump liked Obama until it became politically convenient for him not to. just sayin'
Click to expand...

He also loved Hillary Clinton until he knew he could sucker the easily suckered into putting him in the White House instead of her. He gets to play in the Oval Office like a kid playing Battleship on Christmas morning, he gets even richer, and he and Melania laugh themselves into comas every night at the ignorance of his fan base.
 
tres borrachos said:
Why would the "rabid left" want to carry signs saying they want President Pence? Were you carrying signs that said you wanted President Biden? I sure as hell wasn't.

The anti-Trump resistance isn't contained to "loony rabid lefties". It actually includes anyone with more than 4 functioning brain cells and who doesn't worship at the Temple of Trump, which is everyone who isn't a Trump devotee. In other words, people who recognize the conman for what he is, and don't want the country to be called "The United States of Covfefe where the ***** grabbing is fun".
Click to expand...

Tres, I have a confession to make. I actually like you. And, I admire the fact that you are standing up against a person in your own party who you don't believe in. That is very admirable and a quality I actually like. I like to see it on both sides and get rid of the obstructionism and gridlock that permeates both sides. Believe it or not, I am a moderate (Republican) and also like to stand up against people in my own party or even party policies that I don't believe in.

If you can take a little constructive criticism though, you are naive and are being used by the resistance to take down the Republican party and bring Democrats into power. That's why I mentioned that I'll start having conversations about Trump just as soon as the lefties start carrying signs saying, "We want president Pence". That's because to lefties this is not at all about Trump. These members of the resistance want to bring Pence down too and the whole entire Republican party and they are using you to help achieve their objective. Trump has a lot of faults and I wish that someone else would have won the nomination (although I hate Ted Cruz). But, the rabid left has a game plan of taking down Trump, Pence, and every other Republican they can think of through the resistance movement. In reality, they could care less about Trump. They just use Trump for political purposes. You, on the other hand, are legitimately concerned about Trump being our president and don't have any wider agenda than just seeing him gone. That's not the case with the resistance.
 
Barnacle said:
The most recent con man we had was called Barack Hussein Obama II. :lol:
Click to expand...

Such an incisive post. Completely destroyed the argument made.
Is that what you call rebuttal?
1 liners. May work on the kiddie playground. Not here.
Gotta work on your game.
 
Moderate Right said:
Tres, I have a confession to make. I actually like you. And, I admire the fact that you are standing up against a person in your own party who you don't believe in. That is very admirable and a quality I actually like. I like to see it on both sides and get rid of the obstructionism and gridlock that permeates both sides. Believe it or not, I am a moderate (Republican) and also like to stand up against people in my own party or even party policies that I don't believe in.

If you can take a little constructive criticism though, you are naive and are being used by the resistance to take down the Republican party and bring Democrats into power. That's why I mentioned that I'll start having conversations about Trump just as soon as the lefties start carrying signs saying, "We want president Pence". That's because to lefties this is not at all about Trump. These members of the resistance want to bring Pence down too and the whole entire Republican party and they are using you to help achieve their objective. Trump has a lot of faults and I wish that someone else would have won the nomination (although I hate Ted Cruz). But, the rabid left has a game plan of taking down Trump, Pence, and every other Republican they can think of through the resistance movement. In reality, they could care less about Trump. They just use Trump for political purposes. You, on the other hand, are legitimately concerned about Trump being our president and don't have any wider agenda than just seeing him gone. That's not the case with the resistance.
Click to expand...

I like you too. What I don't like is your implication that I'm being "used". I'm 55 years old, a Republican voter since 1980 who has followed and been actively engaged in politics for the last 37 years. You seem to think I'm stupid and am being manipulated by "the resistance". I'm not. I'm using my own head and sticking with my own principles. Just because millions of dopes followed a fraud name Trump down a cesspool because they don't know any better doesn't mean the rest of us are that clueless.

I hope the rabid left does take down Trump. Nothing would make me happier. He's a stain on this country and he is a stain on the Republican Party. The sooner he is gone, the better. That disgust for Trump isn't owned by the left. It's owned by any Republican who actually cares more about the party than the lying shiny object sitting in the Oval Office today - the same office occupied by war heroes like Eisenhower and HW Bush, and decent respectable America loving leaders like Reagan.

Trump is a disgrace and a disaster. The sooner people realize that, the better the chances of recovery will be. As long as that man continues to pollute the office that is a gift and a privilege to occupy, not his birth right, I will continue to oppose him. He has done exactly nothing to earn my respect. I am too smart to get duped by a low life conman like Donald Trump.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Curveball?



https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...ar&tidr=a_breakingnews&utm_term=.16eea6c8a45a

So how many votes can the gop afford to lose?
Click to expand...

None, which gives each republicant Senator the power to veto this bill. It was only a matter of time before income tax cuts for non-income tax payers nonsense returned. The idea that those "paying" a negative income tax rate (get a $1K "refund" per child on their FICA taxes) deserve a 100% raise because those paying the highest rate are now getting some (temporary?) relief is moronic. This is what happens when each republicant member of the Senate effectively has veto power.
 
JANFU said:
Such an incisive post. Completely destroyed the argument made.
Is that what you call rebuttal?
1 liners. May work on the kiddie playground. Not here.
Gotta work on your game.
Click to expand...

Does your comment add anything to this "conversation"?
Nope, I didn't think so either. :lol:
 
Barnacle said:
Does your comment add anything to this "conversation"?
Nope, I didn't think so either. :lol:
Click to expand...

Nope- wrong again - i did. When you have a constructive argument, let me know.
 
JANFU said:
Nope- wrong again - i did. When you have a constructive argument, let me know.
Click to expand...

Not to mention, you were actually on topic, which isn't Obama (oh excuse me...Barack Hussein Obama II).

The collective IQ of this board seems to drop with every new citizen of Trump Fan Nation that passes through our gates.
 
Barnacle said:
Here is my "constructive" argument to your blather ... :lol:
Click to expand...

Hint start a thread on President Obama. Not like it has not been there before and lay out your points, links, proof and opinion. Can ya do that?
When ya can do that let me know.
 
tres borrachos said:
Not to mention, you were actually on topic, which isn't Obama (oh excuse me...Barack Hussein Obama II).

The collective IQ of this board seems to drop with every new citizen of Trump Fan Nation that passes through our gates.
Click to expand...

Seems to be an influx of (insert comment(s)) to DP.
 
iliveonramen said:
He'll be back on board...I'm sure he's just asking for something. I think he's leaving politics soon and there's no better way to leave Washington than by making one of your special interest folks happy and then getting $$$ by them upon leaving.
Click to expand...

The chances of Rubio voting NO on this tax bill are the same as mine for getting on the Senate floor and casting a NO vote with a Playboy model on my arm.
 
Some simple questions.

Are taxes used to fund legitimate government operations or are taxes used to make people "more equal?"

What is meant by a "refundable" tax credit when nothing was "funded" in the first place?

in banking it's called embezzlement.
 
SirGareth said:
Some simple questions.

Are taxes used to fund legitimate government operations or are taxes used to make people "more equal?"

What is meant by a "refundable" tax credit when nothing was "funded" in the first place?

in banking it's called embezzlement.
Click to expand...

Not true. A tax refund can only be claimed, if one pays taxes.
 
tres borrachos said:
That move disappointed me. I know Scott Brown claimed he was held up by Reid so the Dems could pass the ACA, but that wasn't exactly true. He was still in place to filibuster the ACA if he wanted to.

McConnell needs to reconsider that. I know what it means to him to not have Strange there to vote on it, but I don't know why they're in such a hurry to ram this bill through for anyway. Slow and steady wins the race.
Click to expand...

Trump needs a win...something besides a stack of EO's to indicate there is at least a nod to regular presidential business. He himself (as usual) opened that door himself a couple of weeks ago complained the MSM was not covering his "accomplishments". That's when Americans looked and didn't see any so he sort of has to get SOMETHING more than picking on mothers of dead soldiers and spewing vitriolic texts.
 
haymarket said:
The chances of Rubio voting NO on this tax bill are the same as mine for getting on the Senate floor and casting a NO vote with a Playboy model on my arm.
Click to expand...

2 Senators ill, McCain and 1 other. Corker against. If 1 does not appear, 50-50, Rubio is the swing vote.
 
JANFU said:
Hint start a thread on President Obama. Not like it has not been there before and lay out your points, links, proof and opinion. Can ya do that?
When ya can do that let me know.
Click to expand...

Sorry, Obama a.k.a. Barrack Hussein Obama II is the cause of all the problems we have right now.
No point in starting a new thread as we all know what a useless **** that guy was.
 
It's amazing to me that more Republican Senators aren't against this bill. Only 23% of Americans want it. Don't they care?
 
Fearandloathing said:
Trump needs a win...something besides a stack of EO's to indicate there is at least a nod to regular presidential business. He himself (as usual) opened that door himself a couple of weeks ago complained the MSM was not covering his "accomplishments". That's when Americans looked and didn't see any so he sort of has to get SOMETHING more than picking on mothers of dead soldiers and spewing vitriolic texts.
Click to expand...

Correction. That's when smart Americans looked and didn't see any accomplishments. His fan base still loves to lie about all his "wins".
 
JANFU said:
Trump made many promises, health care for all, no cuts to Security/Medicaid. The only way out of this mess would be tax increases and spending cuts.
No longer allowing Corps to stash money overseas, they bring it home in their tax year. The average Joe and Joanne cannot delay paying taxes.
Closing loopholes as was often mentioned.
The debt level unless addressed will result in massive problems for the US.
In Canada we have claw backs for Govt pension CPP that are in effect at a certain income level and it is not low. Raising SS max levels or removing them, on that I do not know what would be best.
Click to expand...


Wait. Bill Morneau is on it!

No, seriously the new bill they've been debating goes a long way to plug loop holes, that's why the Tories went after him over the fake issue of his personal holdings where he clearly did NOT benefit from inside knowledge. Andrew Scheer is standing on the sidelines yelling "hey, I'm over here" and all Trudeau has to do is take his shirt off.

The current deputy finance minister is a student of Tommy Shoyama, the man who piloted our health care program. Scheer also went off on the closing of "sprinkling income" and blew it way out of proportion, but know that no more will small business owners be able to declare their infant children as income earners to reduce their taxes
 
tres borrachos said:
I like you too. What I don't like is your implication that I'm being "used". I'm 55 years old, a Republican voter since 1980 who has followed and been actively engaged in politics for the last 37 years. You seem to think I'm stupid and am being manipulated by "the resistance". I'm not. I'm using my own head and sticking with my own principles. Just because millions of dopes followed a fraud name Trump down a cesspool because they don't know any better doesn't mean the rest of us are that clueless.

I hope the rabid left does take down Trump. Nothing would make me happier. He's a stain on this country and he is a stain on the Republican Party. The sooner he is gone, the better. That disgust for Trump isn't owned by the left. It's owned by any Republican who actually cares more about the party than the lying shiny object sitting in the Oval Office today - the same office occupied by war heroes like Eisenhower and HW Bush, and decent respectable America loving leaders like Reagan.

Trump is a disgrace and a disaster. The sooner people realize that, the better the chances of recovery will be. As long as that man continues to pollute the office that is a gift and a privilege to occupy, not his birth right, I will continue to oppose him. He has done exactly nothing to earn my respect. I am too smart to get duped by a low life conman like Donald Trump.
Click to expand...

One last note. People all over the entire world have been on a path of anti-dynasty, anti-establishment, throw the bums out mentality. It happens in Europe. It happens in the Middle East. It happens everywhere. My viewpoint is that Americans have been wanting to throw both Republicans and Democrats out. Democrats had their primary rigged so voters could not throw Hillary out. The Republican primary was not rigged per say, although big money did everything it could to vote in either the establishment or a dynasty and even spent a whole lot of money trying to throw Trump (the nationalist) out. Trump intuitively tapped into this sentiment. It didn't have anything to do with racism, bigotry, or all of the isms that the left was throwing around. But, the Republican system was not rigged well enough and the more anti-Trumpsters there were, the more Republican primary voters thought that Trump was their man.

Fast forward to the election. Hillary had virtually no clue that voters of both parties (even after Bernie's success) wanted to throw the bums out and did not want a dynasty or the establishment. This was actually her downfall because she just made the assumption that voters in her own party would fall in line and vote for both a dynasty and the establishment. Enough Democratic voters jumped ship because they had that throw the bums out mentality and crossed over and voted for Trump in order to do it. Trump just happened to be in the right place at the right time to take advantage of this. Now, you can say all you want about how badly the voters screwed up but, the fact remains that voters are done with the establishment and the left is making the very same mistake all over again if they think they can just go right back to running an establishment candidate. They are counting on Trump screwing up so badly that voters will be anxious to go right back to what they had before. That's why I'm big on a Kasich/Hickenlooper ticket where the pres/vp are of two different parties and can set an example that we all need to work together and quit this obstructionist/resistance gridlock mentality that we have been stuck in now for quite a few years.
 
Media_Truth said:
It's amazing to me that more Republican Senators aren't against this bill. Only 23% of Americans want it. Don't they care?
Click to expand...

Of course. There's probably ten-plus Senators that oppose the bill. Easily. There always are in "blockbuster" legislation. However individual legislators are kept in line due to a slew of reasons. For example: understanding that the party caucus requires legislators to be team-players, needing to maintain working relationships with colleagues and leadership, and receiving social and financial pressure from party/caucus groups.

Swing votes and maverick behavior is therefore limited to (A) legislators like Corker who have announced retirement and no longer care, (B) legislators like Rubio who are running for higher office or are needing to stand-out, or (C) individuals who have type-cast themselves as swing legislators like Collins.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom