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FCC votes to repeal net neutrality rules

AGENT J said:
Aaaaaand ANOTHER failed lie and retarded strawman:lamo

Please quote me saying either of those lies you made up. ill wait :)

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I made up nothing.
 
eohrnberger said:
This is probably accurate.
As soon as color printing was invented, the second piece printed was probably a naked lady.
As soon as silent movies were invented, came the silent movie porn.
As soon as the VHS tape machines were invented and cheap, it moved to VHS.
And then the Internet.

Seems that this 'industry' is historically an early adopter of new media vehicles.

I'll bet the second cave painting was a naked woman. Humans. Pretty predictable I guess.
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My dad said the first viruses he ever encountered were when he and his friends would install key-stroke counting programs on each others computers that would cause them to do weird stuff once the requisite # of keys were hit. Sometimes it was a rather crude gif of a woman giving a BJ but mostly they were variations of the blue screen of death. Since people had never even heard of a computer virus then, it would totally psych them out when one of these things triggered. They were harmless though as they would just reset the counter and wait until the next number of key strokes were reached.
 
backpacker said:
I made up nothing.
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You post that lie but yet i dont see any quotes supporting it, why? because you made them both up and got busted LMAO
Disagree? then in your next post simply quote me saying the retarded strawmen you got caught making up, thanks!

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who wants to be my request is dodged again?
 
AGENT J said:
You post that lie but yet i dont see any quotes supporting it, why? because you made them both up and got busted LMAO
Disagree? then in your next post simply quote me saying the retarded strawmen you got caught making up, thanks!

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who wants to be my request is dodged again?
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Nope. I didn't say you said anything, so if you really want to persist in your ego driven straw festival, provide the quote where I said you said anything?
 
Removable Mind said:
Do you “program” or “configure” routing”. My son works for one of the largest data management companies in the US. In his location alone they have 160,000 square feet of servers, routers, bridges, and switches. They manage data routing for companies like Google, yadda, yadda, yadda...

Managing data is super important, but the issue in Net Neutrality is has the power to control the rules and regulations around data management.
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See that's how obama lied to you. like "affordable care act" it wasnt'. "Net Neutrality" was not about net neutrality.


as for what I do these days is direct other to do as such, I'm the big picture guy that cut his teeth doing what your son does.
 
Deuce said:
Wow, reading comprehension fail.

And polgara clicks like because he had the same problem :lamo
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Your attention to detail sucks. Polgara is female. And is one of the most polite and fair posters here, so I'd back off that ****.
 
backpacker said:
Nope. I didn't say you said anything, so if you really want to persist in your ego driven straw festival, provide the quote where I said you said anything?
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BOOM! and another dodge lol thats what I thought!
In the future try not to lie and make up retarded strawman and your posts wont get destroyed so easily. LMAO
If anything changes and you can back up your failed lies and strawmen please let us know, thanks!
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
See that's how obama lied to you. like "affordable care act" it wasnt'. "Net Neutrality" was not about net neutrality.


as for what I do these days is direct other to do as such, I'm the big picture guy that cut his teeth doing what your son does.
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If I only knew what you think you believe that you’re talking about. No doubt it would be profound.
 
Phys251 said:
Here it comes, America!!

750x422
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I see you didn't read the Snopes link...

Confirmation bias rules with liberals!
 
holbritter said:
Is that the way it was 3 years ago? Why does everyone think it's automatically going to change? NN wasn't not a regulation until 2015. I see no difference from before 2015 to now, do you?
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I agree.

I had no problems before the new net neutrality regulations existed.

I say we get rid of all laws and regulations not needed.
 
Deuce said:
Net neutrality makes it more of an equalizer, not less.
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Like quota based affirmative action? take away from some, to give to others?

Is that what you mean?
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
A conservative I know doesn't have cable. He hated paying all that money. lol So he gets all his TV and entertainment streaming.

He spewed the same old same old Limbaugh/Fox news BS about NN to me,.. I told him when his Internet price doubles next year come back and talk to me. He looked at me like I had 3 heads. Except for the crap he hears on Fox he had no idea what this was about.

I told him to expect to pay $10-15 more a month for his Netflix, and another $10 for his Hulu, and another $10 for his YouTube. LOL.. When he's paying $150 a month for his Internet, his old Cable bill will seem like a good deal. He looked at me again like I had 3 heads.

The problem with these morons who rather get financially fleeced by the GOP because they hate gays is they are dragging the rest of us down with them.
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Feee fii foo fum...

I small an alarmist...
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Competition is fierce?

I live in NY, in an area with 100,000's of people.

I have TWO internet choices. Verizon and TW/(Spectrum).

That's it, TWO!!!! 5 blocks from me the people in that neighborhood have Verizon or Optimum. No TW. I can't get Optimum.. In other words the Telecoms have carved up the neighborhoods to make SURE there is little competition. So with this NN when both TW and Verizon tack on more charges for my Netflix, and Hulu.. Who do i go to?

So I don't know what you mean by 'fierce competition'.
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Who paid for laying their wires out?

Do you want to socialize their properties with their competition?

Are there laws preventing the other companies from running fiber and wires in these other areas?
 
Removable Mind said:
Do you “program” or “configure” routing”. My son works for one of the largest data management companies in the US. In his location alone they have 160,000 square feet of servers, routers, bridges, and switches. They manage data routing for companies like Google, yadda, yadda, yadda...

Managing data is super important, but the issue in Net Neutrality is has the power to control the rules and regulations around data management.
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Those rules and regulations may or may not help the end users, but would most certainly add costs.
 
Deuce said:
For someone claiming to know so much about the actual process of routing traffic, Reverend is astonishingly ignorant as to what net neutrality proponents are actually asking for.
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Please explain it to us again.

I have seen claims for the necessity, but never seen them as valid. Just scare-mongering.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
There is special wizadry. I can throttle xbox (hell microsoft and sony already do it to thier services), and other over used services with minimal impact on those services and free up headroom for other internet traffic like http. https. ssl. voip, etc. giving all my customers even at peak times a good reliable connection. if I don't throttle services, everyone grinds to a halt as certain services p2p, etc will eat up as much of the bandwith they can.




you have a pipe coming into an isp. you then have network algorythms you use to see what percentage you can oversell that capacity to your customers. If you wanted a 1:1 ration you'd have $700 internet fees, such as a business class line, you have a consumer line so its more 10:1 oversold capacity which is fine. this goes to your cell tower analogy which is correct.


do you know what the cell companies do during these peak times to try to get everyone on? yup, they throttle services that eat up bandwith to make the network usable again.







I have answered this and a variation of this 100 times. It's never happened, and the one or two times it was tried the FCC levied heavy fines on the ISP. And sure it does. look at the new budget 10mb lines cablevision et all are coming out with. those are heavilly managed with services like non-peered video providers getting limited bandwith. it has to be done.


ATT gophone, they restrict video to 360, this knocked out face time because Apple requires 720p. gophone was a heavilly discounted unlimited plan, under NN, it's illegal, so poor people end up paying more for a limited plan and overages.





Ok, so are you arguing for net neutrality or the Net Neutrality rules put in by obama? Lets make sure we are on the same page here. The principles are not the same as the rules.







I'll answer anything you want. I appreciate the discussion as it's free from the crap I usually deal with on this topic. if I missed something let me know. tier 1 traffic shaping isn't done to any degree that you or I would notice. this argument, of NN is at the provider level. here's an interesting article.


https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/05/new-shaperprobe-tool-detects-isp-traffic-shaping/


again. if I missed a question let me know, I'd be happy to answer.
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people don't seem to understand this.

Net Neutrality is like trying to regulate intercity freeways during rush hour.

It just is not practical.
 
Lord of Planar said:
people don't seem to understand this.

Net Neutrality is like trying to regulate intercity freeways during rush hour.

It just is not practical.
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We kind of regulate intercity traffic during all hours, son. Do you believe there is a time of day where you are allowed to take a left turn on street corner where it isn't allowed just because there is traffic? How do you think DUIs work during rush hour? What about green lights, yellow rights, red lights? Do you think they aren't regulated during rush hour?


Sent from Donald's hair using Putin's Blackerry.
 
eohrnberger said:
I can't help what you read into the post. In my post I make no mention of the repeal.

Assign blame for the repeal?
No, I wasn't doing that either.

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Originally Posted by FieldTheorist

Ajit Pai is a corporate whore.
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posted by YOU
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So why did Obama appoint him?
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What possible reason would you have to respond to Field Theorist with, “So why did Obama appoint him?” I know why. So do you.

When Obama appointed Pai as a Commissioner at the FCC, 99% of Republican and Democrat voters didn’t know he existed in the FCC, much less his views on Net Neutrality.

It is 100% irrelevant that Obama appointed him. Why? Pai wasn’t appointed as Chairman of the FCC by Obama. He couldn’t directly influence anybody or Congress to repeal Net Neutrality. I think you didn’t know what Pai’s role was when Obama appointed him and you were gonna use that appointment as a sort of gotcha moment.

Trump appointed Pai as Chairman with the intent to gut Net Neutrality for one simple reason. It had Obama’s name on it and the narcissistic MF doesn’t care what the Consequences are for ending every regulation ever legislated or created via executive orders - by any administration or Congress. But when he’s aware Obama’s name is linked - those are the first to go.

Denial about why you asked Field Theorist the question isn’t a reprieve for the obvious.
 
In the wiki article for Net Neutrality, I notices two primary examples claiming we need it. One was the unproven claim from a test that Comcast throttled data. The other was a company throttling their competition, which apparently, was already illegal because they were fined for it.

Do we need multiple laws covering the same thing? Why do you guys want to make it more complicated and expensive for businesses to give us service? They will just pass the costs along to us.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Please explain it to us again.

I have seen claims for the necessity, but never seen them as valid. Just scare-mongering.
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Net neutrality does not prevent normal traffic management, and that's the straw man he attacks over and over, in every single one of these threads.
 
Lord of Planar said:
people don't seem to understand this.

Net Neutrality is like trying to regulate intercity freeways during rush hour.

It just is not practical.
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Perhaps, but it seems better than having our criminal telecoms do it, given their record under the Bush administration.
 
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