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FCC votes to repeal net neutrality rules

Floridafan said:
What are the good points in dropping neutrality?
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I don't think they are good, but they are valid. Like an ISP's right to control the flow of what it has built, no one should be forced to help their competitor. If Comcast bought CNN, why would they want you using their bandwidth on some competing news site?

In all things analog, I agree with that argument. But for digital, IMO I pay for the bandwidth and you shouldn't know or care what I do with it. Like water from the utility company, I paid for it, its mine now, I get to decide what I do with it now.

Then there is also an argument I heard made by Steven Crowder regarding how Net Neutrality makes it harder for smaller start up ISPs, niche ISPs, dial up etc... But most people don't give a **** about that.

The third "valid" argument I heard was that competition would punish bad actors or that Comcast promised they wouldn't misbehave... problem with that is, why ask for the power to misbehave if you swear you'll never use it?

Finally, the last argument I heard was that without net neutrality cell networks have been able to offer things like free data on Netflix/Youtube, also cheap "unlimited" plans were made possible by the free market. Verizon execs swore they would NEVER offer it, but they eventually had to.

Either way, this is just the FCC's vote. Its not over yet, we still have Congress. Even when it is all over (i see the end as inevitable) my free market inclinations do give me hope of a ****ery free internet.
 
Deuce said:
Internet access is a near-monopoly due to massive barriers to entry.

Until that changes, we're going to be stuck with abusive practices inherent to any such situation.
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What "abusive practices"?
 
Spartacus FPV said:
I don't think they are good, but they are valid. Like an ISP's right to control the flow of what it has built, no one should be forced to help their competitor. If Comcast bought CNN, why would they want you using their bandwidth on some competing news site?

In all things analog, I agree with that argument. But for digital, IMO I pay for the bandwidth and you shouldn't know or care what I do with it. Like water from the utility company, I paid for it, its mine now, I get to decide what I do with it now.

Then there is also an argument I heard made by Steven Crowder regarding how Net Neutrality makes it harder for smaller start up ISPs, niche ISPs, dial up etc... But most people don't give a **** about that.

The third "valid" argument I heard was that competition would punish bad actors or that Comcast promised they wouldn't misbehave... problem with that is, why ask for the power to misbehave if you swear you'll never use it?

Finally, the last argument I heard was that without net neutrality cell networks have been able to offer things like free data on Netflix/Youtube, also cheap "unlimited" plans were made possible by the free market. Verizon execs swore they would NEVER offer it, but they eventually had to.

Either way, this is just the FCC's vote. Its not over yet, we still have Congress. Even when it is all over (i see the end as inevitable) my free market inclinations do give me hope of a ****ery free internet.
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Anyone who thinks net neutrality makes it harder for ISPs to start up has been duped by the very corporate shills who just bought part of the government.
 
backpacker said:
The marketplace created the internet as we know it today. What is illogical is think some rule designating ISP's as utilities less than 2 years old added anything to the internet or would add anything to the internet.
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again where did I say that? oh thats right I didnt. Another retarded strawman bites the dust LMAO :laughat:
 
Deuce said:
Anyone who thinks net neutrality makes it harder for ISPs to start up has been duped by the very corporate shills who just bought part of the government.
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POTENTIALLY....ISPs would be more profitable since they are charging both users and providers. At the same time...the reason ISPs are typically monopolies is based on the nature of the business not because they aren't profitable.
 
Rexedgar said:
If it ain’t broke.........


This smells of more corporate raping, robbing and pillaging!
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What would you expect? Just look at who is writing and signing bills.
We have come a long way from when the government broke up Ma Bell...
 
That's great. First the GOP creates non-expiring tax-cuts for corporations in a Bill that is supposed to be about the Middle Class, of whose tax-cuts do expire while presenting new taxes; and now they hand them the Internet. It will be wonderful one day if Republicans can find a way for corporations to make me pay for the oxygen I breathe.

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MSgt said:
That's great. First the GOP creates non-expiring tax-cuts for corporations in a Bill that is supposed to be about the Middle Class, of whose tax-cuts do expire while presenting new taxes; and now they hand them the Internet. It will be wonderful one day if Republicans can find a way for corporations to make me pay for the oxygen I breathe.

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Who gets "handed the internet"?


What in the world are you guys talking about?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
This

Portugal's internet shows us a world without net neutrality, and it's ugly - LA Times
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Phys251 said:
In other words, if the little guy wants to have more stuff--stuff we've had under net neutrality--they've gotta pay up.

Well done, Republicans!

:bravo:
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Here it comes, America!!

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ReverendHellh0und said:
But prior to NN rules it did not happen, why would it suddenly happen now that rules for something that never happen go away?
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Encroachment. It was to prevent what corporate ISP's are about to do to you and the rest of us.
 
Rexedgar said:
If it ain’t broke.........


This smells of more corporate raping, robbing and pillaging!
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Wonder if we’ll get free KY Jelly along with our now throttled, content control Internet from our ISPs? Oh, and they can now sell our surfing info and lord only knows what else.
 
Removable Mind said:
Wonder if we’ll get free KY Jelly along with our now throttled, content control Internet from our ISPs? Oh, and they can now sell our surfing info and lord only knows what else.
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What's going to happen is the ISP's are going to charge HULU, NETFLIX and other streaming services directly to use their ISP connections to you. Then of course the cable ISP's will undercut those prices if you just bundled with their cable package. They are out to punish cord cutters in this manner and get them back on their billing roles. This of course will make the streaming services have to raise their prices to you.

The bolded is what they really want. That is akin to google advertising style money. I'd guarantee that they've already been collecting all that info but like you said, now they will be able to legally admit it and then sell it off to any and everyone.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Who gets "handed the internet"?


What in the world are you guys talking about?
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The argument against: Internet service providers will now be allowed to speed up or slow down different companies' data, and charge consumers according to the services they access.

The argument for: Corporations would never enter into contract agreements with internet service providers to use such dastardly tactics against rivals. And if they did, you can just switch your ISP to...um...the other one in your locale.

There is no thinking behind any of this legislature. They are pretty much only looking to see what Obama did, reversing it, and calling it good policy.
 
Removable Mind said:
Wonder if we’ll get free KY Jelly along with our now throttled, content control Internet from our ISPs? Oh, and they can now sell our surfing info and lord only knows what else.
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Free lube? We’re gonna get dry humped.....No more “Delete History” function, better stay on the straight and narrow....
 
Phys251 said:
Here it comes, America!!

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Worse thing about that image is that when they categorize those things... they get to choose what sites are in those categories. So if you wan't music, only ISP pre-approved sites will you get to choose from. So you won't just be able to google up something new and cool that could be a brand new company you want to check out but no... new companies will have to crawl to ISP's and ask if they can be on their choice list... which of course the ISP is going to want a kickback.

Its death to innovation by anyone that isn't already an established and well-funded company.
 
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