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FBI Texts Reveal Anti-Trump, Pro-Clinton Comments

apdst said:
Fact #1: Adedin and Mills told the FBI that they didn't know anything about Clinton's private server.

Fact #2: there is evidence in the form of actual emails that prove they lied.

Don't like to hear it? Can't help you.
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Its not a fact if you can not cite it..... please do (from other than a fringe source).
 
apdst said:
I already did. You just don't want to hear it.
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No, you did not. You provided a cite from a political porn site. It had no credibility and thus should be dismissed.

Your inability to credibly support your post (#202) means we do not have to consider it valid (and, it isn't). Thank you for playing.

apdst said:
They lied to the FBI last year...

Clinton Aides Also Lied To Embattled Mueller | The Daily Caller
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You really need to lay of the political porn. You will find people will listen to you more rather than simply dismiss you by name.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Iirc, what I posted is that most Americans approve "of the way Mueller is handling this investigation".

ymmv
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I agree that Mueller is doing the best he can given the circumstances. Do you think the majority of the American public thinks that there is a conflict of interest for some of the senior investigators in the special counsel?
 
NonoBadDog said:
I agree that Mueller is doing the best he can given the circumstances. Do you think the majority of the American public thinks that there is a conflict of interest for some of the senior investigators in the special counsel?
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I've not seen any data.
In my ignorance, and as a human, I'd be prone to thinking that "most people" think like me.
So, I'll wait till I see some data instead.

Do you think that "most people" think as you do on the subject?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
I've not seen any data.
In my ignorance, and as a human, I'd be prone to thinking that "most people" think like me.
So, I'll wait till I see some data instead.

Do you think that "most people" think as you do on the subject?
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Yeah, I think they do. I think the majority of people think that there are some serious conflicts of interest with some of the agents involved in the investigation. If there are any allegations to come from this investigation they better be accurate, rock solid and transparent.

I think that Mueller is honest and is probably furious that he is blind sided with the conduct of some of the agents on the special counsel team. He is a no win position.

We are watching history. I look forward to the results of all of the other investigations. Ohr and his wife are being investigated. Strzok and Page (lovers) are being investigated. There are three investigations where McCabe is the main focus. There are 27 leaks that are being investigated. I wonder if any of the agents in the special counsel are caught up in that investigation. In January the IG will release his report. With that report he is going to release the texts from Page, Ohr and Strzok, and maybe even more folks. There might even be a special counsel to investigate the special counsel. This could be yuuuge and I am not going to miss it.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Well, if you haven't seen them, then they must not exist.

I see that you're taking the position that the default assumption for the Federal Bureau of Investigation is that they did not do any investigation.
I question the wisdom of that decision.
It seems the default assumption should be that the Federal Bureau of Investigation are the kind of folks who do investigations.
And that the assertion that the Federal bureau of Investigation did no investigation is the position which needs to be supported.

But, when it comes to these sorts of things, ymmv.
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I am taking the position that the FBI took this load of obvious stinky trash that even the so-called journalists would not touch and pretended that it might be something important worth paying attention to.

Because they wanted to.
 
The only folks who want Muellers investigation to finish prematurely are Fox News viewers and Hannity hacks. Which one are you ?
 
NonoBadDog said:
I agree that Mueller is doing the best he can given the circumstances. Do you think the majority of the American public thinks that there is a conflict of interest for some of the senior investigators in the special counsel?
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Nope, only folks that want Mueller gone are the far Right press like Fox and the daily caller. Suck it up Adorables, your Liar in Chief brought this upon himself.
 
haymarket said:
By all means ,step forward and present an example of this claim where I disappear when proven wrong.
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Nah, not going to play on your terms. Just take the observation and sit down.

Anything on the thread topic? Or are we done here?

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j-mac said:
Nah, not going to play on your terms. Just take the observation and sit down.

Anything on the thread topic? Or are we done here?

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Your public impotence to back up your claims when challenged to do so stands as evidence of your failure to properly debate. That "game" is called a protocol of normal debate and you just demonstrated you cannot handle such challenges.

As to if we are done here.....You were done here when you could not back up your claims of fact about me. So yes, at least you are done.
 
yankintx said:
Nope, only folks that want Mueller gone are the far Right press like Fox and the daily caller. Suck it up Adorables, your Liar in Chief brought this upon himself.
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Are you able to post anything with any substance to it or are you stuck on rhetoric this morning?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I am taking the position that the FBI took this load of obvious stinky trash that even the so-called journalists would not touch and pretended that it might be something important worth paying attention to.
Because they wanted to.
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Do you suppose that the Federal Bureau of Investigation conducted an investigation into the contents of the Steele dossier?

I know it sounds crazy to postulate the Federal Bureau of Investigation conducted an investigation, but hear me out.

IF the Federal Bureau of Investigation conducted an investigation into the contents of the Steele dossier and used the evidence from their Federal Bureau of Investigation investigation, it'd be weird and wipe out the minor issue of using the Steele dossier's contents to get warrants etc.
So we should probably check on the incredibly unlikely, but possible scenario where Federal Bureau of Investigation conducted an investigation.
I know the very idea of the Federal Bureau of Investigation conducting an investigation sounds like the words of a madman, but you know in your heart of hearts, those clandestine conspiratorial LEOs may've been just crazed enough to've tried it.

Did you check?
It'd make you case stronger if you did.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Yeah, I think they do. I think the majority of people think that there are some serious conflicts of interest with some of the agents involved in the investigation. If there are any allegations to come from this investigation they better be accurate, rock solid and transparent.

I think that Mueller is honest and is probably furious that he is blind sided with the conduct of some of the agents on the special counsel team. He is a no win position.

We are watching history. I look forward to the results of all of the other investigations. Ohr and his wife are being investigated. Strzok and Page (lovers) are being investigated. There are three investigations where McCabe is the main focus. There are 27 leaks that are being investigated. I wonder if any of the agents in the special counsel are caught up in that investigation. In January the IG will release his report. With that report he is going to release the texts from Page, Ohr and Strzok, and maybe even more folks. There might even be a special counsel to investigate the special counsel. This could be yuuuge and I am not going to miss it.
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Fwiw, if you are human, it's entirely that your perception that most people think like you do could be the result of a well known cognitive bias along those lines.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Do you suppose that the Federal Bureau of Investigation conducted an investigation into the contents of the Steele dossier?

I know it sounds crazy to postulate the Federal Bureau of Investigation conducted an investigation, but hear me out.

IF the Federal Bureau of Investigation conducted an investigation into the contents of the Steele dossier and used the evidence from their Federal Bureau of Investigation investigation, it'd be weird and wipe out the minor issue of using the Steele dossier's contents to get warrants etc.
So we should probably check on the incredibly unlikely, but possible scenario where Federal Bureau of Investigation conducted an investigation.
I know the very idea of the Federal Bureau of Investigation conducting an investigation sounds like the words of a madman, but you know in your heart of hearts, those clandestine conspiratorial LEOs may've been just crazed enough to've tried it.

Did you check?
It'd make you case stronger if you did.
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Using BS to get the judge to agree to something is a very common move by prosecutors now when they have confidence that they can get away with it, which is totally to be expected in the current THE ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS environment after political corruption has greatly weakened the ranks on our benches over the last decades.
 
haymarket said:
Your public impotence to back up your claims when challenged to do so stands as evidence of your failure to properly debate. That "game" is called a protocol of normal debate and you just demonstrated you cannot handle such challenges.

As to if we are done here.....You were done here when you could not back up your claims of fact about me. So yes, at least you are done.
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So, that's nothing on topic then...typical

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j-mac said:
So, that's nothing on topic then...typical

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Actually, calling out the failures of somebody to back up their claims in a thread is ALWAYS on topic.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Do you suppose that the Federal Bureau of Investigation conducted an investigation into the contents of the Steele dossier?
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That is the exact issue that the DOJ OIG is investigating. Good question:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
December 2, 2017
The Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General released the following statement in response to inquiries today:
The January 2017 statement issued by the Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General (OIG) announcing its review of allegations regarding various actions of the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation in advance of the 2016 election stated that the OIG review would, among other things, consider whether certain underlying investigative decisions were based on improper considerations and that we also would include issues that might arise during the course of the review. The OIG has been reviewing allegations involving communications between certain individuals, and will report its findings regarding those allegations promptly upon completion of the review of them.
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https://oig.justice.gov/press/2017/2017-12-02.pdf

I guess the IG has the same question.
 
eohrnberger said:
So all the obvious internal sabotage and damaging leaks from Obama administration hold overs and government career lifers is all something to be ignored?

An interesting position / opinion, that.

Is government service a commitment to serving the government, the electorate, the legitimately elected sitting president and his administration?
Or serving one's own political agenda / ideology?

I would certainly hope for the former, and think the latter is damaging to the nation.
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You think outing Flynn when Trump refused to fire him even when told he was a Russian stooge is "damaging to the nation"? You really must love Putin as much as Trump to want him to have all our NSA secrets. Why don't you marry him and be done with it?
 
iguanaman said:
You think outing Flynn when Trump refused to fire him even when told he was a Russian stooge is "damaging to the nation"? You really must love Putin as much as Trump to want him to have all our NSA secrets. Why don't you marry him and be done with it?
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"Why don't you marry him...?" :roll:
 
iguanaman said:
You think outing Flynn when Trump refused to fire him even when told he was a Russian stooge is "damaging to the nation"? You really must love Putin as much as Trump to want him to have all our NSA secrets. Why don't you marry him and be done with it?
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Flynn isn't a Russian Stooge.
Flynn's contact with the Russians was during the transition, was it not? Therefore not illegal.
Hillary's campaign was talking to the Russians as well during the campaign.
All presidential campaigns have conversations with the Russian (and many other foreign leaders), this is normal course of events.

So what illegal activities is it that you are imagining that Trump and / or the Trump campaign is guilty of?

No, I have no lover for Putin.
No, I don't want the Russians to have all the NSA secrets, and I don't believe that Trump wants them to have them either.
No, I don't want marry Putin. He's just no my type.

Are you going to continue with these false, and frankly silly, allegations?
 
eohrnberger said:
Flynn isn't a Russian Stooge.
Flynn's contact with the Russians was during the transition, was it not? Therefore not illegal.
Hillary's campaign was talking to the Russians as well during the campaign.
All presidential campaigns have conversations with the Russian (and many other foreign leaders), this is normal course of events.

So what illegal activities is it that you are imagining that Trump and / or the Trump campaign is guilty of?

No, I have no lover for Putin.
No, I don't want the Russians to have all the NSA secrets, and I don't believe that Trump wants them to have them either.
No, I don't want marry Putin. He's just no my type.

Are you going to continue with these false, and frankly silly, allegations?
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I think you need to check the definition of "stooge". Here's the one I was referring to, "a person who is forced or paid by someone in authority to do an unpleasant or secret job for them" Flynn was paid for his "Turkish" lobbying by Russian oligarchs with ties to Putin. That made him beholding to Putin and his lies about it made him subject to blackmail which is otherwise known as being a STOOGE.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/25/michael-flynn-turkey-russia-237550
 
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