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NY Times: Once a Long Shot, Democrat Doug Jones Wins Alabama Senate Race

year2late said:
His rep spoke to outstanding military votes.
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I'm getting this quote second hand from Twitter, so take it with a grain of salt:

Alabama secretary of state John Merrill on CNN just now: "Any candidate can request a recount, and if they pay for it, there's a recount."
https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/940803114726195201

If the quote is true, then the Secretary of State seems unwilling to entertain Moore's request.
 
MTAtech said:
Tossed under the bus by the Republican establishment? McConnell and the rest endorsed Moore.
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You reading fake news or what? The Republican establishment wanted Luther Strange. Republicans were tripping over each other in November saying Moore should withdraw from the race once the allegations became public. The National Republican Senate Committee stopped fundraising for him. Alabama's senior senator, Richard Shelby, said just this past weekend, " I couldn't vote for Roy Moore" and selected a write-in candidate. And McConnell said just last week:

On Monday, McConnell tried to clear the air on his Sunday comments, saying he has "no change of heart" on Moore, noting that the Senate cannot legally prevent Moore from being seated if he is duly elected.

"I had hoped earlier he would withdraw as a candidate," he said. "That obviously is not going to happen."

He added that his position on Moore is "perfectly clear," saying that if "he were to be elected, I think he would immediately have an issue with the Ethics Committee, which they would take up."

Republicans make 180 on Roy Moore after Trump endorsement - Business Insider
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Senator Lindsay Graham, from the same article:

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, who criticized Trump for previously throwing Moore a "lifeline" and pushed for him to get out of the race, said Sunday that the Senate "can't stop him from being seated" should he win. He added that a Senate Ethics Committee investigation is still the smart move.

"If there was an investigation and all six members of the committee said they believe he was a child molester, that would be a problem," he said.
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Not exactly a ringing endorsements.
 
Ahlevah said:
You reading fake news or what? The Republican establishment wanted Luther Strange. Republicans were tripping over each other in November saying Moore should withdraw from the race once the allegations became public. The National Republican Senate Committee stopped fundraising for him. Alabama's senior senator, Richard Shelby, said just this past weekend, " I couldn't vote for Roy Moore" and selected a write-in candidate. And McConnell said just last week:



Senator Lindsay Graham, from the same article:



Not exactly a ringing endorsements.
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...until the RNC resumed fundraising for the Moore campaign and the head of the Republican party repeatedly and loudly endorsed Moore.
 
Puigb said:
President Donald Trump BEGGED the people of Alabama to vote for Moore...and Moore lost.

Get over it.
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Yeah, and pretty much everyone else, even other Republicans, begged Moore to drop out or indicated their intentions not to vote for him. I am over it, but if I were the Democratic opposition I wouldn't get too comfortable.
 
Cardinal said:
I'm getting this quote second hand from Twitter, so take it with a grain of salt:

Alabama secretary of state John Merrill on CNN just now: "Any candidate can request a recount, and if they pay for it, there's a recount."
https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/940803114726195201

If the quote is true, then the Secretary of State seems unwilling to entertain Moore's request.
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They interviewed him about 20 minutes ago. He stated that the outstanding provisional and military ballots could conceivably bring it to that .5 percent margin....as could the validity of the write in candidates could change the percentages.

It did not seem like he was holding his breath, though.:lamo
 
Ahlevah said:
Yeah, and pretty much everyone else, even other Republicans, begged Moore to drop out or indicated their intentions not to vote for him. I am over it, but if I were the Democratic opposition I wouldn't get too comfortable.
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Read the post above yours.

And I agree that the Democrats shouldn't get too comfortable, but this election was still a rejection of Trump and his agenda.
 
Ahlevah said:
Yeah, and pretty much everyone else, even other Republicans, begged Moore to drop out or indicated their intentions not to vote for him. I am over it, but if I were the Democratic opposition I wouldn't get too comfortable.
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Comfortable? Thing about politics is, nothing is ever settled long as there's another election in the future.
 
Cardinal said:
...until the RNC resumed fundraising for the Moore campaign and the head of the Republican party repeatedly and loudly endorsed Moore.
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So one week before the election the RNC resumed fundraising for Moore? Do you think any money actually went to him? Whom are you kidding? And let's face it: Moore had a lot of baggage that even Trump couldn't overcome. Trust me, bro. Jones is the Democratic version of Scott Brown. He's gone in three years.
 
MTAtech said:
[h=1]Exact Title: Once a Long Shot, Democrat Doug Jones Wins Alabama Senate Race[/h]

Trump and Bannon must be blowing a gasket.

The U.S. Senate narrows by one vote.

McConnell is on record of now slamming Steve Bannon.
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What blows my mind is why now? why is THIS the straw that broke the camels back. Moore was horrible candidate and person why before this. Good riddance, Anybody like him right, left and center should not hold office.
 
Ahlevah said:
So one week before the election the RNC resumed fundraising for Moore? Do you think any money actually went to him? Whom are you kidding?
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Why shouldn't I think that?

Ahlevah said:
And let's face it: Moore had a lot of baggage that even Trump couldn't overcome. Trust me, bro. Jones is the Democratic version of Scott Brown. He's gone in three years.
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Grand Mal said:
Comfortable? Thing about politics is, nothing is ever settled long as there's another election in the future.
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They're high-fiving each other and talking about this election as though it's some sort of tectonic or cosmic shift or something. Alabama is not turning blue.
 
Cardinal said:
Why shouldn't I think that?
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The RNC did that, what? A week ago? And they've been sort of cagey about what they were doing. "We support the president! And Roy Moore!" Really? Doing what? Logistically, I don't see them doing anything effective one week before the election. I've never given them a dime, and they won't ever get one from me. They get a big, fat "**** you!" from me. The NRA is going to get a raise, though. I'm upping my membership from Endowment to Patron.
 
Ahlevah said:
They're high-fiving each other and talking about this election as though it's some sort of tectonic or cosmic shift or something. Alabama is not turning blue.
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It's a big win. Don't deny it. But like I said, nothing is ever settled in politics.
Kinda like a year or so ago. Nothing was settled then, either. That's the nature of the game.
 
Ahlevah said:
The RNC did that, what? A week ago? And they've been sort of cagey about what they were doing. "We support the president! And Roy Moore!" Really? Doing what? Logistically, I don't see them doing anything effective one week before the election. I've never given them a dime, and they won't ever get one from me. They get a big, fat "**** you!" from me. The NRA is going to get a raise, though. I'm upping my membership from Endowment to Patron.
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So your argument, which is that the RNC's fundraising for Moore's campaign never actually made it to the Moore campaign, is speculative.
 
Ahlevah said:
So one week before the election the RNC resumed fundraising for Moore? Do you think any money actually went to him? Whom are you kidding? And let's face it: Moore had a lot of baggage that even Trump couldn't overcome. Trust me, bro. Jones is the Democratic version of Scott Brown. He's gone in three years.
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$170,000, just last week.

RNC gives $170,000 to support Moore's Senate bid | TheHill

Although I do agree Jones probably shouldn't spend much decorating his new office.
 
Time for Moore to concede. The people of Alabama have spoken.
 
Casca XV said:
doubtful he will be in it a year form now. Having a opponent slandered a child molester probably wont work twice.
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Sen. Jones will be around through 2020 at the earliest, as soon as McConnell stops stalling Sen. Jones from being seated, to get through his tax giveaways to the already rich ...
 
Ahlevah said:
So one week before the election the RNC resumed fundraising for Moore? Do you think any money actually went to him? Whom are you kidding? And let's face it: Moore had a lot of baggage that even Trump couldn't overcome. Trust me, bro. Jones is the Democratic version of Scott Brown. He's gone in three years.
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Maybe, maybe not. Until 2020, Mr. Jones will be caucusing with Senate Democrats.
 
Ahlevah said:
The RNC did that, what? A week ago? And they've been sort of cagey about what they were doing. "We support the president! And Roy Moore!" Really? Doing what? Logistically, I don't see them doing anything effective one week before the election. I've never given them a dime, and they won't ever get one from me. They get a big, fat "**** you!" from me. The NRA is going to get a raise, though. I'm upping my membership from Endowment to Patron.
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The NRA?

The RNC was supporting the Alabama candidate until November, when the word of his improper actions broke. Then they wisely pulled support away from him. The leader of the new Republican Party (Trump) came out and threw the full weight of his support behind Moore. Then the RNC went all in again.

You're in massive denial today. This loss was an absolute slap in the face to the Trump Republican Party. Eventually you people will understand that decent people don't subscribe to the Bannon/Trump garbage like you do. You will all hopefully start your own party and leave the GOP to the rest of us.
 
Turnout was key and so was the proportion of votes. In the red counties, Moore didn't get the proportion of voters that was gotten in previous elections by Repubs. Turnout in the blue areas were higher than the last presidential election.

Enthusiasm for Johns was far greater than for Moore.

Moore’s Defeat in Alabama Deals Trump a Rebuke Ahead of 2018 Races
The defeat of Republican Roy Moore in Alabama’s U.S. Senate race by Democrat Doug Jones was a stunning rebuke to the GOP’s anti-establishment wing led by Steve Bannon and a major political embarrassment for President Donald Trump.

Moore’s candidacy was the opening gambit in Bannon’s war to oust Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and the rest of the GOP’s congressional leadership. While Trump backed Moore’s primary challenger at McConnell’s behest, he jumped in with a full-throated endorsement of Moore a week before the election in an attempt to put him over the top.
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Ahlevah said:
You reading fake news or what? The Republican establishment wanted Luther Strange.
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So trump is a part of the republican establishment now? I thought he was billed as the anti-establishment Mr. Swamp-drainer guy.
 
MSgt said:
Oh, dude no. F...that.

The election race was (is) so tight that "America" still presents a decrepit morality dilemma today.

Our Conservative base of religiously ethical and family valued voters demonstrated for the second time in a row that they are full of absolute crap. You may piddle my neighbor's teenage daughter (maybe my own), as long as you wear a jersey with an "R" sewn in?

This is just the second step towards the American Conservative either finally figuring himself out or doubling down into the abyss.
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This is wrong. Do you know why? Because a democrat won in Alabama. Do you realize what that means? It means 1 of 2 things for republicans in the state. They either said “**** that” and didn’t vote. Or they crossed the line. Either way? They demonstrated they had enough moral fiber to not actually vote JUST BECAUSE of the little R.
 
Ahlevah said:
So one week before the election the RNC resumed fundraising for Moore? Do you think any money actually went to him? Whom are you kidding?
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I won't tell you how easy it was to find this but...

Roy Moore: Republicans resume campaign funding after Donald Trump backs accused candidate
State party gives tens of thousands of dollars to support the controversial candidates bid

The Republican National Committee (RNC) had transferred $50,000 (£37,500) to the Alabama Republican Party in support of Mr Moore, an official said. No RNC staff have been deployed to the state.

A second transfer for the sum of $120,000 (£89,600) was made to the Alabama state Republican Party on Moore’s behalf, making the total $170,000 (£127,000), an official said.​
 
MTAtech said:
[h=1]Exact Title: Once a Long Shot, Democrat Doug Jones Wins Alabama Senate Race[/h]

Trump and Bannon must be blowing a gasket.

The U.S. Senate narrows by one vote.

McConnell is on record of now slamming Steve Bannon.
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The RNC supported an accused peodiphile, lets keep that in focus for 2018. Alabama women went for Jones 57%. I did say watch the how the ladies vote.
 
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