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Live Alabama Election Results: Roy Moore and Doug Jones Compete for Senate Seat

holbritter said:
What? How did Trump get in there
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Because that was the message of one of the facebook ads that were directed at voters in swing states, where Satan will win if Hilary wins and the army of Jesus will have to vote for Trump to make sure Hillary does not win.

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Because Trump might not be perfect but as Hillary is the Devil's choice, voting for Trump is what Jesus would want to stop Satan.
 
JANFU said:
Beg to differ. This meeeting was bizarre, strange and gives some insight as to how Trump craves praise.

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Trump is the kind of guy that after talking for an hour about himself he'd then say, "Well that's enough about me... what do you think about me?"
 
Superfly said:
You would have thought that the GOP could have seen how badly the Democrats crashed and burned in 2016 by doing that very same thing, and maybe learned something.
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Well, as the GOP looks more to the distant past than the recent past, that is understandable. They were too busy high five-ing themselves for winning all three branches of the elected federal government.
 
poweRob said:
Trump is the kind of guy that after talking for an hour about himself he'd then say, "Well that's enough about me... what do you think about me?"
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Damn that was good.
 
GDViking said:
You don't have to accept it. Our idiot governor sent back a billion. Lost millions, a major train manufacturer, and will eventually have to build it for twice as much.
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Just wondering who your governor is. I'm seeing 13 of 26 GOP governors at risk next year, especially mine, but none of them are the 5 GOP governors in the Northeast.

None other than Gov. Walker, head of the RGA, recently lamented the fact that the Obama/Holder redistricting effort at the state level is making a huge difference ...
 
Why Moore lost:
Bannon looks like a drunken homeless slob and somehow Trump thinks that is a good look.
Trump is a racist ego psychotic that watches hours of TV with the sound off and tweets in the middle of the night.
Moore is good for the 1960s Alabama.
This a great day.
 
Erod said:
Doug Jones will be voting along GOP lines, I'll betcha.
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Maybe he will on some issues, but IMO, he won't gain much by pretending to be a republican light. Either he distinguishes himself from the real thing that will run against him, and convinces Alabama that an actual Democrat (!!!!) serves their interests, or he loses by 10 points or so.

We'll see some opportunities either just after or before he's elected. No reason for someone serving the PEOPLE of Alabama to vote for the tax bill. It's not popular, and will give his constituents very little in the way of tax breaks. Worse, before the ink is good and dry on that, the GOP will have to present a budget that cuts benefits to the poor and old, because if they want to address the deficits the GOP just made worse, that's where the money is - benefits that help out poor and old Alabama residents. If he votes with what's best for his constituents, there's a really good chance (99% or so) the right vote is with Democrats on that.
 
Peter King said:
Because that was the message of one of the facebook ads that were directed at voters in swing states, where Satan will win if Hilary wins and the army of Jesus will have to vote for Trump to make sure Hillary does not win.

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Because Trump might not be perfect but as Hillary is the Devil's choice, voting for Trump is what Jesus would want to stop Satan.
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Huh, ok. Never saw that.
 
Fearandloathing said:
As per nothing, but I read some authentic history about Nero and it appears the stories about him are more of a collection of **** various emperors did. He never played the lute in fact had a tin ear. It was at first a metaphor from the time as he wisely resisting invading someone a controversial move at the time. It is true he spent very little time in Rome and had nothing but contempt for the corrupt senate.
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It was his enemies in the Senate who created all those rumors about him. It wasn't Rome that burned, it was the slums of Rome that burned. And the Senators were the slum landlords.
 
OldFatGuy said:
It was his enemies in the Senate who created all those rumors about him. It wasn't Rome that burned, it was the slums of Rome that burned. And the Senators were the slum landlords.
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Wrong. The fire started in the slums but over three days it spread thru out the city, only four of 14 districts were untouched by the conflagration. The rumors began after Nero instituted new building codes which included esthetic requirements that offended some property owners and construction standards that cost more to fulfill.
 
JANFU said:
Of that I am aware of the power they had, the Court intrigues. My comment was in regards to how many uninformed look at it, those with no balls, no gumption, weak and cowering to a superior.
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That's the thing, eunuchs in the royal courts of China, and as keepers of the mideast and Turkish harems, were far from weak, rarely cowering, and quick to punish those who opposed them politically or otherwise. The geldings of the Vienna Boys Choir, the Vatican Boys Choir, and those of the other Italian city states, kept those competitive little wars going for at least a couple of additional centuries with their melodramas. Just a poor metaphor for those you are criticizing. Not that your criticism is off track.

I suspect you might be better off using the sycophants of the French royal courts as a better metaphor.
 
GDViking said:
And you know this how?
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An educated guess, for the sake of humor.

Donald was a quality baseball player as a kid. We often chose him for pickup games, but it was Fred Jr who was invited to the parties. Donnie was a stiff and wallflower. Fred didn't his mom to find him a wife from the old country.
 
JasperL said:
Maybe he will on some issues, but IMO, he won't gain much by pretending to be a republican light. Either he distinguishes himself from the real thing that will run against him, and convinces Alabama that an actual Democrat (!!!!) serves their interests, or he loses by 10 points or so.

We'll see some opportunities either just after or before he's elected. No reason for someone serving the PEOPLE of Alabama to vote for the tax bill. It's not popular, and will give his constituents very little in the way of tax breaks. Worse, before the ink is good and dry on that, the GOP will have to present a budget that cuts benefits to the poor and old, because if they want to address the deficits the GOP just made worse, that's where the money is - benefits that help out poor and old Alabama residents. If he votes with what's best for his constituents, there's a really good chance (99% or so) the right vote is with Democrats on that.
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Paul Ryan has already signaled his intentions to **** over poor trump voters next year. Ryan has a credible opponent and DEMs have now opened major offices in Ryan's CD and that of Grotham in Northern Wisconsin. trump actually won Ryan's CD by more than twice as much as Romney/Ryan did.

On the defense, GOPs gave away some of their US House strategy today, if DEMs were listening, correctly naming Minnesota, Nevada and Arizona as pickup opportunities, conveniently leaving out NH amongst several other trump/DEM CDs.

If DEMs think 2018 is won, they still don't know REDMAP 2010 and this decade of disaster due to poor voter turnout and purity politics on the left. We finally saw the so-called Black Belt turn out in record #s in ONE state yesterday.

Will this be duplicated next year, along with the so-called Brown Belt actually voting, with an overwhelming number of Brown CDs coming in at 150,000 votes last year, half the nationwide average?

We saw pitiful DEM turnout here in Illinois in 2014, only 102,000 with Gutierrez in IL-03 alone; good riddance to him. Cost us Gov. Quinn. Can't blame voter suppression here. You can blame our DEM gerrymandered map which backfired, electing Rauner; say hello to Gov. JB Pritzker next year ...
 
holbritter said:
Huh, ok. Never saw that.
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Most likely because it was aimed at certain voters in certain states and paid for by Russians. The army of Jesus is Russia, pure and simple. They also made a commercial about dead veterans and how Killary did not understand the sacrifice of serving your country but that Trump did so you should not vote for Killary to defeat her.
 
poweRob said:
Investigation pending. Could have all been done by a 400Ilb fat guy in his mom's basement as trump put it. We'll see... because Rosenstein said today that Mueller stays. He's not going to fire him. Sorry.
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Anthony60 said:
I can't say I'm surprised, birds of a feather...
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Eagles.
 
Peter King said:
Most likely because it was aimed at certain voters in certain states and paid for by Russians. The army of Jesus is Russia, pure and simple. They also made a commercial about dead veterans and how Killary did not understand the sacrifice of serving your country but that Trump did so you should not vote for Killary to defeat her.
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If you haven't seen GOP Rep. Peter King calling Bannon a 'de shoveled drunk', give it a run ...
 
Somerville said:
Wrong. The fire started in the slums but over three days it spread thru out the city, only four of 14 districts were untouched by the conflagration. The rumors began after Nero instituted new building codes which included esthetic requirements that offended some property owners and construction standards that cost more to fulfill.
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That was the claim laid down in the Senate. Welles repeated that myth in his Fall of the Roman Empire. However, archeologists in Rome have never verified the fires reached districts outside the slums. Over the centuries, the slum districts burned often, at times intentionally because of pestilence. The members of the Senate hated Nero's new building codes, the costs would have come out of their pockets. Those building codes demanded quality construction and sanitary planning. Just horrible. :)
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Catherine Cortez Masto is a “He”? News to me. S/

Seriously, I asked you about the senator Nevada elected in 2016.
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Seriously, you're skipping over what I have been telling you. You seem to be having a problem understanding the dynamics of both parties.

1. Moderates in the Republican & Democrat parties are the majority of both parties.
2. Left wing in the Democrat party are the minority.
3. Right wing in the Republican party are the minority in that party.

Now while right wing candidates will win in certain states in this country, the same will happen with left wing candidates. There's only a certain section of the country that these candidates are viable in. Arizona & Nevada are in the moderate section of this country. So for a Democrat to win in these states it will take a moderate Democrat--that Republicans will cross party lines to vote for.
 
OldFatGuy said:
That was the claim laid down in the Senate. Welles repeated that myth in his Fall of the Roman Empire. However, archeologists in Rome have never verified the fires reached districts outside the slums. Over the centuries, the slum districts burned often, at times intentionally because of pestilence. The members of the Senate hated Nero's new building codes, the costs would have come out of their pockets. Those building codes demanded quality construction and sanitary planning. Just horrible. :)
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Italian archaeologists, Andrea Carandini and Clementina Panella disagree with your claim that the fire of 64 CE never reached richer parts of the city.
 
NIMBY said:
Enjoying McConnell holding an emergency conference tomorrow if moore is elected ...
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Hell, he called the defeat way before the networks did. Even invited Jones to join the R's. Can't make this stuff up.
 
apdst said:
Because of Moore's sex scandal, not because of anything Jones can bring to the table.
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In 1995 Doug Jones the U.S. Attorney for Alabama won release of FBI files withheld from state and federal prosecutors since the 1963 KKK bombing of the 16th Baptist Church in "Bombingham" which killed four girls aged 11 and 14 and injured 20 others in the church.

Jones learned that in 1965 the 25 FBI investigators had identified as the perps four known KKK members and segregationists -- Thomas Edwin Blanton Jr., Herman Frank Cash, Robert Edward Chambliss, and Bobby Frank Cherry.


"That is a confession out of this man's mouth."

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U.S. Attorney for Alabama Doug Jones points toward Bobby Cherry as he delivers his closing argument to the jury. May 21, 2002.


Chief Prosecutor Doug Jones referred to the tape by an FBI undercover agent of Cherry saying he didn't mean to kill anyone and that the four dead girls "will not reproduce." In his closing argument, Jones said: "It's never too late for the truth to be told ... It's never too late for a man to be held accountable for his crimes." Jones then recited Cherry's extensive history with the Ku Klux Klan, before referring to the audio recordings presented earlier in the trial. Jones then recited the most damning statements Cherry had made in these recordings, before pointing at Cherry and stating powerfully: "That is a confession out of this man's mouth."


Cherry was convicted of four counts of first-degree murder and sentenced to life. Bobby Frank Cherry died of cancer on November 18, 2004, at age 74, while incarcerated at the Kilby Correctional Facility.


In 1977 the Alabama Attorney General William Baxley had tried and convicted Robert "Bomber Bob" Chambliss of first degree murder. Baxley had been a student at the University of Alabama when he heard about the bombing in 1963, and later recollected: "I wanted to do something, but I didn't know what." Baxley filed murder charges against the four but the judge admitted only one defendant, Chambliss to be tried.

In 2001 and in 2002 Prosecutor Doug Jones brought to trial the cases against Thomas Edwin Blanton Jr. and Bobby Cherry who in separate trials were each convicted of four counts of murder and sentenced to life imprisonment, whereas Herman Cash, who died in 1994, was never charged with his alleged involvement in the bombing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_Street_Baptist_Church_bombing



Doug Jones stands in a stark contrast to Roy Moore as much as Robert Mueller stands in contrast to Donald Trump.


The Four Spirits sculpture at Kelly Ingram Park

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Lisa McNair, 53, the sister of one of the four girls, was at the Jones victory party in Birmingham, Alabama. “Oh my God, I’m so excited,” she shrieked in a phone interview as she was leaving. “For Alabama to really go anywhere Doug Jones had to win, or it was Armageddon for us, it was the end."

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