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Live Alabama Election Results: Roy Moore and Doug Jones Compete for Senate Seat

Visbek said:
Trump backed Moore
Moore backed Trump
Rejection of Moore and Republican extremism resulted in a huge swing for Dems in the "reddest" state in the nation. It's not just a 1% win, it's a 25% or so swing.
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Its the swing which should be alarming to the GOP. The Adorables can spin this, but it don't look good for next year. They could loose both Houses at there current trajectory.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Moore lost. Now he just needs to concede. This is the best outcome for the Republicans.
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I don't know about that, Nono. Is it the best outcome for them? They needed to keep that seat.

Had the Republicans not listened to that heinous maniac Steve Bannon, they would have run Luther Strange and won that seat handily. Instead they allowed the Trump faction of their base take over, push a terrible candidate and terrible man like Roy Moore, attack the "establishment", and then they lost a seat that they both needed to keep and by all rights should have kept.

If I was a Trump Republican, which I'm not, I'd be kicking myself today that my "drain the swamp", "destroy the establishment" **** blew up in my face.

Trump, Bannon, and Trump supporters lost HUGE last night. Huge. The Republicans (the real ones) also lost, but not with the egg on their faces that the others I just mentioned do.
 
Peter King said:
:lamo

Hilarious, really hilarious.

Swiftboating, Obama is a muslim, Obama is not a American, Hillary is dying, Hillary is sick, Hillary is evil, Hillary is the Devils chosen candidate, Hillary is involved in sexually molesting children in a pizza place, Hillary and Obama are responsible for Isis, Hillary wants to open the floodgates to let a lot of Muslim refugees in, Hillary's secret service agent and the diazepam pen, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

If anything Trump won a rigged election.
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Bolded = true
 
apdst said:
Awww, yeah...Jones won a rigged election. You should be proud! Now, if the Left can dig up dirt on every Conservative contender and keep people from noticing the Leftist agenda, y'all might actually get somewhere.
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Can't you ever admit that the best candidate won fair and square?Your side are the biggest foulers but are the first to cry foul. Republican voters chose Moore in the primaries and the general electorate voted for Jones. Nothing rigged.

What is telling is that this is the reddest of red states and Trump doesn't have an approval rate higher than his disapproval rate. In a moderate state, a prosecutor who imprisoned KKK members, running against a wacko child molester, who spews conspiracy theories, would have blown him out of the water. In AL, it's a narrow win, but a win.

In most states, Democrats can run against Republicans who are in the clutches of billionaire donors who get their tax cuts passed over the overwhelming objection of middle class voters. Stay tuned for 2018.
 
apdst said:
Awww, yeah...Jones won a rigged election. You should be proud! Now, if the Left can dig up dirt on every Conservative contender and keep people from noticing the Leftist agenda, y'all might actually get somewhere.
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I guess whenever one of Steve Bannon's chosen ones lose, it is rigged right? But whenever a conservative wins, it is fair and everyone should accept it right? Sounds like snow flake logic to me.

Do you think Moore has a God given right to rule over everyone else and him losing means the will of God and the voting public is thrwarted? I guess you think Moore is immune to personal responsibility? His loss is not his fault at all?

You already treat Trump like he is a king, maybe you would happy if Jones was kicked out of office and Moore was made into a duke or a baron instead, he can never lose if he never has to go up for election.
 
apdst said:
Awww, yeah...Jones won a rigged election. You should be proud! Now, if the Left can dig up dirt on every Conservative contender and keep people from noticing the Leftist agenda, y'all might actually get somewhere.
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C'mon. You honestly think it was rigged? Your just busting stones, yes?
 
apdst said:
We've been hearing that for 7 years. What's your plan? Dig up decades old sexual scandals on every Conservative in the country? :lamo
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Well, nobody's digging up dirt on the liberals, they....wait, I can't even finish that statement, it's too ludicrous even for me.

Someone sure is butthurt over this. It's rigged! How else can you explain a Democrat ever winning anything!
 
Oh, and :lol: at the ones who are saying that this was rigged.

Nah, not rigged. Not a Russian in sight!

And what is your mantra? "He won. Get over it!" I've been hearing that for a year now. Will you all follow your own advice? You know, the "get over it" part?
 
danarhea said:
Here's the deal that excites me.... This could be first step in straightening out the Republican Party. The party that gets that seat back in 3 years will most likely be a saner one.
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True but by then a better candidate will be available as well.
I don't think Moore was the first choice but I am not sure. I don't follow AL politics.
 
With the Alabam's Republican leadership having abandoned all ethical principles in their effort to abet the disgraced Roy Moore's naked pursuit of power, the outcome of Alabama's special election for former Senator Sessions' seat was left to the jury of Alabama's voters to decide. That jury delivered an unequivocal verdict to Roy Moore: "You are unfit for public office. Go home now."

In this consequential election of 2017, there was no revanchist outcome that rekindled nightmares from the 1960s when that state leaned heavily into the teeth of history in opposing civil rights. This time, Alabama's voters spoke clearly: character, principle, and morality matter greatly in the Alabama of the 21st century. Therefore, no candidate who believed that the most basic constitutional protections were reserved only for a chosen few, that individual judges were free agents who could put personal preferences ahead of Supreme Court rulings, and that conspiracy theories related to 9/11 and President Obama's birthplace had merit would be permitted to represent the state in the Senate. They ensured that the electoral process would not be used to reward a candidate who stalked and preyed on teenage girls while in his 30s.

This was a positive outcome for Alabama and for the United States. It demonstrated that even in the fierce gales of corrupting Trumpism and balkanizing partisan divisions, enough voters remain capable of doing the right and honorable thing on Election Day.

Some key statistics from the exit polls:

Women accounted for 51% of the turnout and voted for Jones by a 58%-41% margin. Among the women, mothers accounted for 20% of the electorate. Mothers voted for Jones by an astonishing 66%-32% margin.

College graduates accounted for 28% of the turnout and voted for Jones by a 53%-45% margin; post-graduates accounted for 16% of the turnout and voted for Jones by a 58%-39% margin. All said, those with a college degree or higher accounted for 44% of the turnout vs. 24% of the population. In other words, highly-educated voters turned out in very large numbers (more than 1.8 times their share of the population). Voters age 44 and younger (35%) of the turnout voted for Jones by a 61%-38% margin. The age 45-64 group (41% of the turnout) narrowly favored Moore by a 51%-47% margin. Moore only won easily among the age 65 and older group (23% of the turnout). Younger voters are gradually replacing older voters in the electorate. African Americans comprised 29% of the turnout and voted for Jones by an overwhelming 96%-4% margin.

In the end, coalition that included African Americans, women, younger voters, and highly-educated voters was pivotal in the Alabama outcome.
 
NIMBY said:
And candidates winning GOP primaries backed by bannon/trump v. Mitch/Paul ...
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Trump backed Luther Strange in the primary, as did Ryan and McConnell.

It definitely makes it harder for Bannon-backed candidates in primaries, but that mostly hurts the Democrats.
 
Angelus said:
Well, either a candidate supports Trump, or the RNC will cut their funding. Trump's popularity remains in the low 30's. .

It's a tough choice. Of course, the RNC can buck Trump, and that will start presidential tantrums and infighting. And Trump would do everything he can to influence the primaries. We have seen what happens then.

Now, if we could only get some sane adults in office...I don't care what their party is.I will be happy to consider any Republican who takes a stand against Trump. Hell, I disagree with Flake on a lot, but I was considering voting for him. Taking a principled moral stand on forces destroying our democracy counts for something.
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It wasn't Trump support that sunk Moore, it was Moore that sunk Moore.

Granted, in a lot of ways this loss for the RNC is a lot like the DNC loss in 2016, both parties snatched defeat from the jaws of victory with abysmal primaries and abysmal candidates.
 
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poweRob said:
Excuse me folks while I cash this chip in...







I don't think I'll be getting my receipt tonight though. He kind of disappeared out of this thread a while back when things started looking not so good for Moore.
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That poster is the gift of laughter that keeps on giving....
 
Tangmo said:
Alabama is arguably the worst state in the Union, since the 17th century before there wuz a Union. Bama is certainly one of the worst five states. This vote says to the dozen other regressive states not to be worse than Bama. It's a strange motivation but then again the Lord works in mysterious wayz.
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LOL... so with that attitude it's a bad break for the DNC that they won! :lol:

Maybe only WVA would be willing to be worse than AL but their D Senator Joe Manchin who is former governor has a lock on it. The D party needs tennis sneaker moms to run and to recruit more of the Jones and Manchin guyz. People like Sen. Sherrod Brown of OH and the like. There's little hope for the R party when a guy like Roy Moore prays as hard as he does and still loses. Methinks God is up to here with it all.

:stars:
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You charmer, you.

Moore won the Republican primary vote runoff by 10% over the incumbent Senator (Luther Strange who'd been appointed). R's in the states will vote in their primary elections they way R's vote. Trump endorsed Strange and lost then Trump went all in for Moore and lost. Trump is chastised somewhat while Bannon is not. Moore goes back to trolling high school football game crowds.
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Trump backed the Republican. Shocker. News at 11.

Democrats went all in on Hillary when she had a host of national security violations hanging over her head. Should we fault Bernie supporters for reluctantly backing Hillary after the primary?

There's no doubt Trump's enormously and uncharacteristically gracious congrats to Sen-Elect Jones marks something of a turning point. It wuz a tiny turning but it indicates going forward we could expect Trump to start sounding like a middle schooler rather than a kindergarten brat. At least sometimes. And remember, Moore got 48% of the vote in this one. Some R's crossed over, other R's stayed home while still other R's wrote in the name of their neighborhood dog catcher.


:bright:
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Again, you charmer, you.
 
Vote breakdown by sex and race:

White men - 27% Jones, 72% Moore
White women - 35% Jones, 63% Moore
Black men - 93% Jones, 6% Moore
Black women - 98% Jones, 2% Moore

It took black voters to keep Moore out of the senate. They have shown their moral integrity and should be proud. White voters of Alabama overwhelmingly voted for the guy who likes to feel up underage kids.
 
Conservatives have an electoral Jekyll and Hyde complex.

They flip back and forth being sore winners to sore losers. Until this election in Bama the rightwhinge spent the year busily being sore winners. They haven't quit though cause they're now sounding the ready reliable siren call of Clinton....and......uranium.

Methinks it is most amusing when they put on their sore winner hat. After all, while anyone anywhere can be a sore loser it's a rare bird that gets it on as a sore winner. The rightwhinge are so used to being sore at losing they also get sore at winning. This election brought 'em back home again. Tired of winning I'd guess.

Sore at Comey. Sore at Mueller. Sore at the media. Sore at Sen. Guillibrand.

Just plain sore.
 
RAMOSS said:
Don't expect all states to be Alabama either.
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I don't. As it stands right now, though, the Democrats will need a clean sweep of all their incumbents and all open seats in 2018 to retake the Senate. The House is always a crap shoot, though... but that will require picking up nearly 20 seats to flip it.

Democrats have a pretty good chance of retaking Congress in 2020, though, if the economy is tanked and there is some diplomatic disaster... so far though the economy is doing well and Trump has been surprisingly efficient in his diplomatic missions.

I think the biggest worry for the Democrats at this point would be financial and the real possibility of Trump breaking the public unions. If they lose public unions, and Trump brings back manufacturing to the rust belt and gains manufacturing union support, Democrats may lose their blue collar base for the long term, which would be disastrous.

That being said, the Republicans have the majority of Senate seats to defend in 2020 and 2022, so that would be their best chance. They could possibly make ground in the House in 2018, take the Presidency and the Senate in 2020, and then the House in 2022.

All speculation at this point since all of the front runners for 2020 presidential run are as likely to be dead from natural causes as they are to win a primary.
 
yankintx said:
Its the swing which should be alarming to the GOP. The Adorables can spin this, but it don't look good for next year. They could loose both Houses at there current trajectory.
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Agreed but 'trajectory' is a generous word.

I'm going with plunge.

After Roy Moore R's have only one way to go and that's up. It's just a long way up for 'em that's all.
 
apdst said:
Awww, yeah...Jones won a rigged election. You should be proud! Now, if the Left can dig up dirt on every Conservative contender and keep people from noticing the Leftist agenda, y'all might actually get somewhere.
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Yeah....nice try.:roll:
 
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