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Women detail sexual allegations against Trump[W:207]

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tres borrachos said:
You pulled out two allegations from single women, one from 1987 (30 years ago) and one from 2006 (12 years ago). Neither of these accusers had a single person corroborate their stories. Neither of these accusers had a single witness to back them up. And neither of them accused people who were accused by others of similar actions.

You think these 2 single instances, from anywhere between 11 and 30 years ago, with no similarities at all to the Moore situation, make Moore's accusers not credible or to be viewed with skepticism?

Seriously, Red?

Bill Clinton has nothing to do with what's being discussed. Actually Moore doesn't really either. It's about the Trump accusers. The ones who are more than likely telling the truth.
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I was addressing a specific part of the OP. I could produce numerous other accusations that turned out to be false - Jameis Winston, Clarence Thomas, just to name a couple. But I understand you wanting to divert from Bill Clinton (multiple accusers, similar circumstances, etc.) as this only makes those calling Roy More a child molester look like hypocritical partisan hacks.
 
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joG said:
Ahh, yes. CNN.

But, should it be true, the women should be ashamed of themselves. If it is true, it was negligent of them to wait till after the election. One can almost only explain this by their wanting to harm the country as badly as possible. It’s irresponsible.
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Irresponsible would be to just wave these accusers away with a hand. Three of these women are now asking for a Congressional investigation. I know a guy who is real good at investigations, but he is kinda busy investigating Trumps finances, and that could take a while!
 
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RedAkston said:
I was addressing a specific part of the OP. I could produce numerous other accusations that turned out to be false - Jameis Winston, Clarence Thomas, just to name a couple. But I understand you wanting to divert from Bill Clinton (multiple accusers, similar circumstances, etc.) as this only makes those calling Roy More a child molester look like hypocritical partisan hacks.
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What the **** does Bill Clinton have to do with this? Nothing. I don't want to "divert" from anyone. I want to talk about the topic. And it isn't Roy More (sic) either.
 
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He'd never resign, inside, he's perfectly proud of such behavior and as he claimed in that bus interview, he thinks it's a celebrity entitlement.

OTOH, if he thought he was seriously about to get kicked out of the WH, he might *use* this to exit on his terms, terms he's not even ashamed of.

But my guess is if the Russia thing gets close enough to risking his presidency, it means actual criminal charges so that's no advantage but you never know what other coup or incompetency opportunities will come along? If there's no jail involved, I could see him using this as an excuse.
 
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joG said:
Ahh, yes. CNN.

But, should it be true, the women should be ashamed of themselves. If it is true, it was negligent of them to wait till after the election. One can almost only explain this by their wanting to harm the country as badly as possible. It’s irresponsible.
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Sure, the women are teeming with desire to harm the country. What else could it be?

The women did not wait. All three of them made their charges before the election and were scorned by Trump and his apologists.
 
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Cardinal said:
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Yes. Was that the result you were hoping for in your attempt to whatabout the thread, or do you want to backtrack to your "he wasn't convicted" argument? Fair warning, though: you're going to have to choose between your desire to whatbout Clinton and your desire to make this about whether or not Moore was duly convicted.
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The point of bringing up Bill Clinton is to point out how obviously biased you are being by taking bold stands against your beloved Democrats... after they have nothing of value to provide you politically.

Somehow is has come to a point that supporting the Democratic process and the Congressional processes for expulsion is equated with "supporting a child molester".

Al Franken will be replaced by a Democrat, Roy Moore, if voted in, will be replaced by a Republican... which is what the State of Alabama wants.

I wonder how the DNC would treat Franken if the Governor of Minnesota was planning on seating a Republican? Hmmmmmmmm.
 
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RedAkston said:
Clinton wasn't convicted and you don't see me calling him those things. I'm merely calling out the hypocrisy that I see so often, and from both sides.

As for your take on Clinton, you are the exception to the rule.

Only partisan hacks will call Roy Moore a pedophile or a child molester without any proof. Now if there's proof (and there isn't any yet) and he's tried and convicted, that's a whole different story. Until then, he's nothing more than an alleged child molester who's "victims" waited until just weeks before the election to come forward with their accusations. And one of those accusers has already had her story discredited and another just changed her story last week after lying about her yearbook signature. I gotta say, something smells fishy here and it isn't Roy Moore.
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It seems you are way behind on the news. Roy's sig in the year book has been confirmed. And Fox even corrected their incorrect story on it.

 
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tres borrachos said:
Fake news!
Liberals!
Merry Christmas!
Mexicans!
HILLARY!

(in before the citizens of Trump fan nation come in with their usual excuses)
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It's a hit piece and a re-hash of the same **** that's already been shown unlikely. Give it up. you left wingers are so desperate and it's going to blow up in your faces, again. Crooks for example has another odd story that makes little sense and is an active hillary supporter and donor. her story is suspect at best. walks in one morning grabs her and starts kissing her while she was a receptionist at a very public accessed building..... no witnesses, no corroborating evidence. unprovable accusation.


Megan Kelley is desperately searching for relevancy.
 
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poweRob said:
And now the refurbished dusting off of "Chappaquiddick!" Now with 36% more fervor!
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It's funny watching the left claim a high road by declaring the past decades of lewd behavior by dems is either "off topic", or "irrelevant".
 
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RedAkston said:
Clinton wasn't convicted and you don't see me calling him those things. I'm merely calling out the hypocrisy that I see so often, and from both sides.

As for your take on Clinton, you are the exception to the rule.
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Actually, the rule is changing. How these stories are perceived has undergone an extraordinary shift with how we see ongoing patterns of behavior of the accused sexual predator and how the victims come forward after a large period of time. The snowball first started rolling with Cosby, continued with Trump, and that snowball became the size of a house with Weinstein. Every single time, we saw the same thing happen: up to decades can go by without the victims having the courage to come forward because they know (rightly) that they won't be believed and that their own personal history will be dragged through a public trial. If they accuse a sex predator and they had multiple sex partners or were once arrested for a DUI, those things will be made a part of the national dialogue. Before now if you had a record one speck dirtier than Jesus Christ, you'd have to be a bloody fool to publicly accuse a powerful man of sexually assaulting you. Female victims are still having their personal histories dragged through the mud, but what's different now is that the public is at least willing to entertain the possibility that they're not automatically lying whores.

Now, true, there are still the Tawana Brawleys of the world, which is why we're considering patterns of behavior, multiple accusers (with sex predators there always are) and corroborating witnesses rather than individual accusers without corroborating witnesses.

Only partisan hacks will call Roy Moore a pedophile or a child molester without any proof.
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Well, good thing there's proof, and that there are multiple accusers of Trump, the accusations of whom all bear an uncanny resemblance to the behavior he bragged about in his Access Hollywood tape.

Now if there's proof (and there isn't any yet) and he's tried and convicted, that's a whole different story.
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If you don't see proof after everything that's happened then you're in willful denial. Per your own statement, you're not waiting for proof, but a conviction.

Until then, he's nothing more than an alleged child molester who's "victims" waited until just weeks before the election to come forward with their accusations. And one of those accusers has already had her story discredited and another just changed her story last week after lying about her yearbook signature. I gotta say, something smells fishy here and it isn't Roy Moore.
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After dozens of witnesses and corroborations by Moore himself you're willing to scuttle the entire discussion because of one false notion that a notation at the end of a confirmed signature by Moore, thereby confirming the element of her story and revealing his lie, changed anything.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
It's a hit piece and a re-hash of the same **** that's already been shown unlikely.
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Citation?

ReverendHellh0und said:
Give it up. you left wingers are so desperate and it's going to blow up in your faces, again. Crooks for example has another odd story that makes little sense and is an active hillary supporter and donor. her story is suspect at best. walks in one morning grabs her and starts kissing her while she was a receptionist at a very public accessed building..... no witnesses, no corroborating evidence. unprovable accusation.

Megan Kelley is desperately searching for relevancy.
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As if you think someone groped by trump should still be a Trump supporter? You are making all of no sense.
 
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jmotivator said:
I wonder how the DNC would treat Franken if the Governor of Minnesota was planning on seating a Republican? Hmmmmmmmm.
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Conyers' seat will remain open until August of next year, which is when the Republican governor of Michigan has set the special election for. Your argument fails.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
It's funny watching the left claim a high road by declaring the past decades of lewd behavior by dems is either "off topic", or "irrelevant".
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Well they are if they are off-topic or irrelevant. You can always start a thread on them if you like.
 
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To those pointing out the importance of a pattern of behavior, no kidding! Spot on.

Ask those folks if some other crime was being committed...would 'a pattern of behavior' be a strong indicator of guilt? No one is saying convict before due process.

And a code of conduct for Congress or a corporation, etc etc etc does not necessarily require criminal charges or the same bar for determining bad acts.
 
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Lursa said:
To those pointing out the importance of a pattern of behavior, no kidding! Spot on.

Ask those folks if some other crime was being committed...would 'a pattern of behavior' be a strong indicator of guilt? No one is saying convict before due process.

And a code of conduct for Congress or a corporation, etc etc etc does not necessarily require criminal charges or the same bar for determining bad acts.
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The republican claim of an ethics bar has devolved to, "Was it illegal?" and then need a conviction as the only proof they will accept of anything... at least on one of their own.
 
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So lets review the three women in question.


"Holvey said when she competed in Trump’s Miss USA pageant in 2006, Trump came backstage unexpectedly when she and other contestants were wearing nothing but robes and he personally inspected the contestants."


so the owner of the pagent came in to inspect the contestants and they were all robed and in a paegent where the name of the game is ogling, she felt uncomfortable that she thought she was being ogled. This is harrasment?


Crooks claims she was a receptionist at trump tower, and in a very busy public place, trump kissed her (elevator banks). Does this sound plausable? Did she pull away and say no? was anyone there? Did anyone miss her from her desk?


Leeds story is full of holes, such as, finishing a meal 45 mins into a flight, and claiming he lifted the armrest on a plane where the armrests are fixed. a witness said it didn't happen.



So the three best megan could get have stories that are full of holes and make little sense.
 
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Verax said:
Unless you have DNA and video evidence they will refuse to acknowledge it doesn't matter anyway.
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Lots of people apparently want to see such things on video. Odd.
 
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poweRob said:
Well they are if they are off-topic or irrelevant. You can always start a thread on them if you like.
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Or I can simply continue to point out your raging hypocrisy and feigned outrage. :thumbs:
 
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jmotivator said:
Al Franken will be replaced by a Democrat, Roy Moore, if voted in, will be replaced by a Republican... which is what the State of Alabama wants.
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So you are admitting that Republicans want to knowingly elect a child molester as a temporary place-holder. That makes it aaaaallllllll better.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Or I can simply continue to point out your raging hypocrisy and feigned outrage. :thumbs:
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Or you can actually stay on topic. Not holding out much hope there though so... don't you worry.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
So lets review the three women in question.


"Holvey said when she competed in Trump’s Miss USA pageant in 2006, Trump came backstage unexpectedly when she and other contestants were wearing nothing but robes and he personally inspected the contestants."


so the owner of the pagent came in to inspect the contestants and they were all robed and in a paegent where the name of the game is ogling, she felt uncomfortable that she thought she was being ogled. This is harrasment?


Crooks claims she was a receptionist at trump tower, and in a very busy public place, trump kissed her (elevator banks). Does this sound plausable? Did she pull away and say no? was anyone there? Did anyone miss her from her desk?


Leeds story is full of holes, such as, finishing a meal 45 mins into a flight, and claiming he lifted the armrest on a plane where the armrests are fixed. a witness said it didn't happen.



So the three best megan could get have stories that are full of holes and make little sense.
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So by "review" you mean you type a bunch of words and cite nothing. Gotcha!
 
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poweRob said:
Citation?



As if you think someone groped by trump should still be a Trump supporter? You are making all of no sense.
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but she's still counted even though she convienently dropped her initial suit when her business partner finished negotiating an "unrelated" business deal with trump.
 
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poweRob said:
Or you can actually stay on topic. Not holding out much hope there though so... don't you worry.
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Ok, how enthusiastically do you need me to pretend to believe you actually care about "victims" vs "just getting trump"?
 
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reinoe said:
These attention whores totally believe in recycling because a lot of them disappeared after the election are popping up again. Now "sexual harrassment accusations" are the hottest new fad and everyone wants to join in and say #metoo.
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It’s hard to say, what did and didn’t happen over ten years ago. But, if the allegations are true, it is worse than fabricated accusations. In that case the women knowingly allowed a man to go on assaulting women they could have saved from the ordeal.
 
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