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Roy Moore accuser admits she wrote part of yearbook inscription attributed to Alabama Senate candidate | Fox News
One of the women who accused Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore of making advances on her when she was a teen and he a local prosecutor admitted Friday to writing part of the yearbook inscription she offered as proof, a new crack in her story that gives Moore an opening to attack her credibility.
Beverly Young Nelson told ABC News she added the date and place in the inscription in her high school yearbook that she and famed attorney Gloria Allred presented as proof the then-30-something Moore sought an inappropriate relationship with her in the late 1970s.
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So now the "proof" has been tampered with. Bad for her case.
 
She added the date and location.

Are you admitting that the inscription and Moore's signature are real?
 
American said:
Roy Moore accuser admits she wrote part of yearbook inscription attributed to Alabama Senate candidate | Fox News


So now the "proof" has been tampered with. Bad for her case.
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These women coming out trying to take down a conservative politician. Too convenient, too opportunistic.

The thing that has been missing from the current moral panic over sexual assault is a close examination of the accusers and the evidence. It think it is reasonable to insist on this.
 
American said:
Roy Moore accuser admits she wrote part of yearbook inscription attributed to Alabama Senate candidate | Fox News


So now the "proof" has been tampered with. Bad for her case.
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Well, she claims she added the notes under the signature. So I'm not at all sure how that would nullify the evidence, if the inscription and signature are authentic.

I also see how those disputing the women's claims see this as a reason to cast further doubt, though it's far from conclusive.

“He did sign it,” she said.

“And you made some notes underneath?” Llamas asked.

“Yes,” she replied.
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Apparently, in a press conference later today, the accuser's attorney, along with a handwriting expert, will be disputing Moore's claim the signature is fake.

I suspect the attorney is going to rally for the Senate to hold a hearing.

Nelson and Allred have scheduled a press conference on Thursday afternoon, with Allred saying she will distribute a report from an expert that indicates the signature in Beverly’s yearbook is Moore’s.
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LowDown said:
These women coming out trying to take down a conservative politician. Too convenient, too opportunistic.

The thing that has been missing from the current moral panic over sexual assault is a close examination of the accusers and the evidence. It think it is reasonable to insist on this.
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It is very reasonable.

In fact, this accuser's attorney has been asking for this very same thing. She wants a Senate hearing.
 
Chomsky said:
Well, she claims she added the notes under the signature. So I'm not at all sure how that would nullify the evidence, if the inscription and signature are authentic.

I also see how those disputing the women's claims see this as a reason to cast further doubt, though it's far from conclusive.



Apparently, in a press conference later today, the accuser's attorney, along with a handwriting expert, will be disputing Moore's claim the signature is fake.

I suspect the attorney is going to rally for the Senate to hold a hearing.
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So every statement she makes you instantly believe, just like the first time. But Roy Moore you doubt without question.
 
American said:
So every statement she makes you instantly believe, just like the first time. But Roy Moore you doubt without question.
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See, there you go attempting to paint strawmen and non-existant arguments.

I look at the totality, rather than focus on specific individual aspects (though the latter's important, too). Then I make a decision based upon the whole, drawing on my life's experiences.

Too many high school girls have come out against Moore, with similar stories and corroborating witnesses and evidence. And Moore has admitted quite a bit, too.

Now, it appears this accuser's expert is going to testify against Moore.

Both the girl's attorney and Lowdown are absolutely right: This needs to be examined closer, in a controlled professional environment. The Senate Committee seems a good start to me. The other women should be there as well, and so should Moore.
 
Chomsky said:
I look at the totality, rather than focus on specific individual aspects (though the latter's important, too). Then I make a decision based upon the whole, drawing on my life's experiences.
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What are your "life's experiences" that qualify you to speak expertly on the matter?

Too many high school girls have come out against Moore, with similar stories and corroborating witnesses and evidence. And Moore has admitted quite a bit, too.
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1 or 100 doesn't matter...Do you believe that all we need in this country to declare someone guilty and brand them are accusations?

Now, it appears this accuser's expert is going to testify against Moore.
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So he signed that the girl have a Merry Christmas...So what? What does that prove? God forbid anyone from here on forward even talk to anyone under the age of 36 right?

Both the girl's attorney and Lowdown are absolutely right: This needs to be examined closer, in a controlled professional environment. The Senate Committee seems a good start to me. The other women should be there as well, and so should Moore.
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But I thought you had an expert witness? What's the matter, you don't believe him?
 
lol this title is just a lie. Writing a date underneath the inscription isn't "writing part of the inscription".
 
American said:
Roy Moore accuser admits she wrote part of yearbook inscription attributed to Alabama Senate candidate | Fox News

So now the "proof" has been tampered with. Bad for her case.
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It was a stupid self-defeating thing to have done that but not mentioned that the "notes" were added, given how quick some are to latch onto anything to defend Moore. But the bottom line remains that he did sign the yearbook. She also seems to be withholding some stuff for use in an ethics investigation.

Then there are the other accusers, police officers recalling that they were told to keep an eye on him in this regard, that he was banned from a mall for stalking teens, etc.



At the end of the day, she shouldn't have left any room for people to run with the assumption that all of the writing was hers, but if one wants to take a dispassionate view of the case, it doesn't actually alter the relevant facts. He signed it. Then there's the other stuff.

I'm mainly worried about dishonest defenders trying to suggest that nobody should believe any of the accusations because this one accuser temporarily allowed the public to run with the assumption that every last bit of it was written by him.
 
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Chomsky said:
It is very reasonable.

In fact, this accuser's attorney has been asking for this very same thing. She wants a Senate hearing.
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Updated at 1:23 p.m.: A handwriting expert has determined that the signature in the yearbook of one of Roy Moore's accusers is authentic, according to the accuser's lawyer. Gloria Allred, attorney for Beverly Young Nelson, said the Georgia-based handwriting expert retained by Nelson, Arthur Anthony, studied multiple examples of original and copies of signature samples of Moore's in reaching his conclusion.. . . . Nelson has more evidence against Moore that she is withholding at this time but would be used in an ethics investigation against Moore if he wins Tuesday's election against Democrat Doug Jones. Moore has said he would welcome an independent analysis of the yearbook signing but Allred has insisted that such an analysis would have to be part of a Senate judicial or ethics hearing, which has not taken place. Moore has said he did not sign the yearbook and he does not know Nelson as well as any of his other accusers.

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Roy Moore accuser believes her life is in danger, lawyer Gloria Allred says | AL.com
 
j-mac said:
What are your "life's experiences" that qualify you to speak expertly on the matter?
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I'm not speaking as an expert here. I was asked about my opinion, from which I draw upon my life's experiences.

You are reading something more into my statements.


1 or 100 doesn't matter...Do you believe that all we need in this country to declare someone guilty and brand them are accusations?
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Only a court of law can assign guilt, and the statute of limitations has long passed.

All we can do is evaluate the evidence supplied, form an opinion, and act accordingly whether that be in a voting booth or a debate forum.


So he signed that the girl have a Merry Christmas...So what? What does that prove? God forbid anyone from here on forward even talk to anyone under the age of 36 right?
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If authentic, it proves acquaintanceship, which the disgraced former judge has denied


But I thought you had an expert witness? What's the matter, you don't believe him?
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I was agreeing with another poster who claimed the accusers need to be better scrutinized. I agree. And the proper scrutinization, in my opinion, would take place in a controlled environment. Preferably an environment with legal ramifications, so both parties have consequence for their statements.
 
She only lied a little bit. The rest of her lie is all true.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
lol this title is just a lie. Writing a date underneath the inscription isn't "writing part of the inscription".
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But what if she circled it in red ink!?!?! I'm laughing along with you. Writing that underneath it doesn't change anything else written.
 
Mr Person said:
It was a stupid self-defeating thing to have done that but not mentioned that the "notes" were added, given how quick some are to latch onto anything to defend Moore. But the bottom line remains that he did sign the yearbook. She also seems to be withholding some stuff for use in an ethics investigation.

Then there are the other accusers, police officers recalling that they were told to keep an eye on him in this regard, that he was banned from a mall for stalking teens, etc.



At the end of the day, she shouldn't have left any room for people to run with the assumption that all of the writing was hers, but if one wants to take a dispassionate view of the case, it doesn't actually alter the relevant facts. He signed it. Then there's the other stuff.

I'm mainly worried about dishonest defenders trying to suggest that nobody should believe any of the accusations because this one accuser temporarily allowed the public to run with the assumption that every last bit of it was written by him.
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Maybe. but I'm not so sure.

It's not uncommon at all, to add references to year book notes (and signatures).

As long as the reference is relatively contemporaneous to the time of the signature, there's nothing unusual here. In fact, in my high school we sometimes replied to each other's yearbook notes over the time the yearbook was passed around - a matter of weeks!

Now in retrospect, perhaps Allered might have anticipated a possible backlash. But I'm not so sure. There's only so many topics & claims that can be gotten out in a brief press conference, and many other topics were far more salient.
 
And by admitting to fraud she has overcome Moore’s burden to demonstrate that her defamation was malicious.
 
Samhain said:
But what if she circled it in red ink!?!?! I'm laughing along with you. Writing that underneath it doesn't change anything else written.
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exactly. if she had come out from day one and made it clear she added the date then all is well.

problem is she didn't mention it. and when Moore wanted the yearbook looked at by experts(and her refusing to turn the book over), she should have admitted it then.

but after stonewalling for weeks then FINALLY admitting she added that information herself she becomes totally unreliable. everything she says can now be questioned and it is HER FAULT, not anyone elses.
 
Mr Person said:
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Updated at 1:23 p.m.: A handwriting expert has determined that the signature in the yearbook of one of Roy Moore's accusers is authentic, according to the accuser's lawyer. Gloria Allred, attorney for Beverly Young Nelson, said the Georgia-based handwriting expert retained by Nelson, Arthur Anthony, studied multiple examples of original and copies of signature samples of Moore's in reaching his conclusion.. . . . Nelson has more evidence against Moore that she is withholding at this time but would be used in an ethics investigation against Moore if he wins Tuesday's election against Democrat Doug Jones. Moore has said he would welcome an independent analysis of the yearbook signing but Allred has insisted that such an analysis would have to be part of a Senate judicial or ethics hearing, which has not taken place. Moore has said he did not sign the yearbook and he does not know Nelson as well as any of his other accusers.

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Roy Moore accuser believes her life is in danger, lawyer Gloria Allred says | AL.com
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Interesting.

But to me, a most important analysis would be in attempting to determine the type and age of the ink on the page.

If it's of the right age and type for it's purported date, then while still not conclusively proving it's his signature by itself, it goes a long way to believe it very well could be. And combined with the handwriting expert's testimony, the forensics then could prove very powerful.
 
j-mac said:
So he signed that the girl have a Merry Christmas...So what? What does that prove? God forbid anyone from here on forward even talk to anyone under the age of 36 right?
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Would you be okay with your 16-17 year old sister or daughter being befriended by a 36 year old man that was not one of her teachers or someone you trusted?
 
JoeTrumps said:
exactly. if she had come out from day one and made it clear she added the date then all is well.

problem is she didn't mention it. and when Moore wanted the yearbook looked at by experts(and her refusing to turn the book over), she should have admitted it then.

but after stonewalling for weeks then FINALLY admitting she added that information herself she becomes totally unreliable. everything she says can now be questioned and it is HER FAULT, not anyone elses.
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It's amazing you feel the need to "fight" for a guy that has basically been accused by multiple women of being a child molester.
 
Again, she was not asked why she added those details or when she did it.

I would expect she added them to make her story more believable in the first place.

She just got busted on that one.

Even if Moore did write Merry Christmas on her yearbook, what does that prove to anybody?

Nobody has asked the woman whet the circumstances were as to why Moore signed it like he did.

Does anybody know about the school system in Alabama? Why did she have a yearbook in December when they usually come out at the end of a school term, like in June.
 
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