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3 reported dead, 15 injured amid gunfire at New Mexico high school

apdst said:
Higher taxes will stop gun crimes? :lamo
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You know SFA about what I was chatting about with someone who leaves you in their shadow.
He does, you do not.
 
TurtleDude said:
how many of the SCHOOL shootings come from impoverished youth? Klebold and Harris, IIRC, were from upper middle class families living in expensive homes. while most shootings of youths by other youths are drug gang related, these school active shooting cases-be they murder suicide or just murder, are not coming from poor kids. Adam Lanza and the VT shooter Choi were not impoverished youths either. In fact I don't recall any student instigated mass killings at schools that were perpetrated by inner city impoverished students.
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Point is, crime, violence, ability to get ahead, have your children improve their life beyond there parents. yet you bring up individual cases as your rebuttal. FFn sad.
How many Americans live on a few dollars a day?
How many Americans are in poverty?
How many Americans live in Ghettos, designed to keep African Americans in those Ghettos?
How many Black Americans receive a sentence in prison that is longer than White Americans for the same crime?


I did expect better from you.

It is not about as you say individuals, but society as a whole as to what they will do to address problems that will take years to address.
Those looking for overnight results are idiots.
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Now we see the republican plan to save spending after giving billions away to the wealthy. It is a different way that many developed countries have adopted.


Ryan pledges 'entitlement reform' in 2018 | TheHill
House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) on Wednesday said House Republicans will aim to cut spending on Medicare, Medicaid and welfare programs next year as a way to trim the federal deficit.

“We’re going to have to get back next year at entitlement reform, which is how you tackle the debt and the deficit,” Ryan said during an interview on Ross Kaminsky's talk radio show.

Health-care entitlements such as Medicare and Medicaid “are the big drivers of debt,” Ryan said, “so we spend more time on the health-care entitlements, because that's really where the problem lies, fiscally speaking."

Ryan said he’s been speaking privately with President Trump, who is beginning to warm to the idea of slowing the spending growth in entitlements.
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JANFU said:
You know SFA about what I was chatting about with someone who leaves you in their shadow.
He does, you do not.
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Your personal attack says it all.
 
apdst said:
Your personal attack says it all.
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Not personal, you know SFA about what i was chatting about.
Not unusual considering your replies on other matters.
You are into 1 liners, to me that is mildly annoying, like a minor itch, and normally not deserving of a response.
Reason I rarely reply to your rebuttals to my posts.
 
JANFU said:
Not personal, you know SFA about what i was chatting about.
Not unusual considering your replies on other matters.
You are into 1 liners, to me that is mildly annoying, like a minor itch, and normally not deserving of a response.
Reason I rarely reply to your rebuttals to my posts.
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I know exactly what you were talking about: you think higher taxes on "those who can afford it" will prevent gun crimes.

You can't break my argument; that's why you don't respond.
 
apdst said:
I know exactly what you were talking about: you think higher taxes on "those who can afford it" will prevent gun crimes.

You can't break my argument; that's why you don't respond.
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Nope...
 
TurtleDude said:
well do you have a solution? do we even know what weapon was used? we do know that shooting another student is already extremely illegal so is bringing a gun to school or even possessing a firearm in a public place by an unsupervised minor. and if you possess a firearm for the purpose of an illegal activity, your possession is now a felony as well
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I don't think it is the legality vs. illegality of these activities that is pertinent, but the accessibility of firearms might be the issue???? Yeah I know...Nuclear explosion imminent.

Bringing a grenade to school is illegal, and possessing a grenade is illegal, and throwing a grenade at another student is illegal, but getting a grenade is quite difficult, which might explain why they are not often used in school attacks. Just being slightly facetious here ....
 
I think trained teachers should be packing. The right is there. In Texas, you think twice before you break into someone's home. They know they might get shot. Wouldn't hurt, I'm just saying.

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JANFU said:
Nope...
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Can't lie your way out of this one, my friend...

JANFU said:
MI coverage- will not happen as Repubs are not willing to do that

A progressive tax rate. Not what was passed in the Senate.
Poverty = crime rates=poor health=lower education- bad life choice.
Until poverty rates are substantially lowered, ghettos in major cites are cleaned up, till jobs are available, safe neighborhoods, education, good education are available, add in all of the above, and No I am not a socialist.
So as I mentioned, nothing will change.

interesting article on tax credits
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/10/eitc-for-all/542898/
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Yes, that's straight up socialism.
 
apdst said:
Can't lie your way out of this one, my friend...



Yes, that's straight up socialism.
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Nope- it is not that. But keep on trying and failing.
 
On our local news they just said the shooter was a student.
 
TurtleDude said:
most of those nations have very few citizens able to own firearms and certainly not more than 300 million guns in circulation. there are other major differences. mainly what we get from anti gun advocates are claims that we have to reduce our firearms supply to the levels other countries have which of course, is a worthless suggestion
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So, maybe we need to look at those other major differences.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Start making people responsible for their crimes. You have people getting arrested multiple times
then while out of jail they commit more violence. Put them in jail and leave then there.
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Sounds like a good idea on the surface.
We have more prisoners than anyone else. When is locking them up going to start working?
 
WCH said:
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Has our society really degenerated to the point that teachers need to be armed guards as well? How sad.
 
poweRob said:
No. It's the four corners area. Gangs are Albuquerque. A long ways away. This is conservative/fairly rural fossil fuel drilling area of New Mexico. Near the bustling metropolis of Farmington, NM with a booming population of around 45,000.
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I've never been to New Mexico but everyone I used to work with from there described a place where rural towns both had common gang presence and clan feuds. One woman had to always have a shotgun in her trunk when going to visit her family in a small town as another family didn't like her family.

It sounded like a Latino version of the Hatfields and McCoys.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Has our society really degenerated to the point that teachers need to be armed guards as well? How sad.
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IMO it's cultural and moral decay along with individuals seeking fame via the route of committing high-profile crimes. The Aurora theater shooter admitted as much.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Sounds like a good idea on the surface.
We have more prisoners than anyone else. When is locking them up going to start working?
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When the revolving door at prisons is shut, when plea bargains are not the 'norm' and when you commit a crime, you serve the full sentence, period.
 
TurtleDude said:
most of those nations have very few citizens able to own firearms and certainly not more than 300 million guns in circulation. there are other major differences. mainly what we get from anti gun advocates are claims that we have to reduce our firearms supply to the levels other countries have which of course, is a worthless suggestion
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I'm sure this will get another of my posts quoted in the Dungeon, but there are obvious differences: Most of the crime in the US is committed by demographics that other Western countries do not have, especially that numerous as we do.
 
TurtleDude said:
more mental health access could change things

what would you like see changing (we all want to see less deaths and illegal shootings )
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There are no facts that indicate any mental health issues as the cause.
 
JANFU said:
Honestly, i think it will get worse, become more common.
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Which exactly matches the piss poor attitude of our leaders and citizens these days.
 
TurtleDude said:
more mental health access could change things

what would you like see changing (we all want to see less deaths and illegal shootings )
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Almost every time this comes up, mental health is clearly an issue.

Almost every time this comes up, it seems there have been clear signs of impending doom.

There is no quick fix. But recognizing signs and help and treatment for such issues are important.

But realistically...we cannot even acknowledge that access to decent health care in this country should be a sure thing.......thinking mental health issues should be addressed seems less hopeful.
 
worksforpigs said:
I'm sure this will get another of my posts quoted in the Dungeon, but there are obvious differences: Most of the crime in the US is committed by demographics that other Western countries do not have, especially that numerous as we do.
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What a stupid and jumbled mass of garbage this post represents
 
JMR said:
I don't think it is the legality vs. illegality of these activities that is pertinent, but the accessibility of firearms might be the issue???? Yeah I know...Nuclear explosion imminent.

Bringing a grenade to school is illegal, and possessing a grenade is illegal, and throwing a grenade at another student is illegal, but getting a grenade is quite difficult, which might explain why they are not often used in school attacks. Just being slightly facetious here ....
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I also suspect people who have no military training on grenades are scared to use one as well but the fact is, there are millions upon millions of guns in circulation and that is a fact that will not change in any time soon
 
JANFU said:
Nope- it is not that. But keep on trying and failing.
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the single best solution (no I don't pretend to know how to achieve this) is to prevent or discourage substantially, people who are incompetent or will be incompetent as parents from having children. Period
 
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