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Democrat Franken to resign from Senate: radio report

MaggieD said:
No, Deuce. You are definitely exceptional. :lol:

And Michael Moore’s quote? I can honestly say I agree with his assessment... much as I despise the guy.
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He predicted Trump's victory earlier than most. He went around doing his usual documentary nonsense and realized, holy ****, these people are really responding to the fat orange ****head.
 
poweRob said:
The handful of Democratic accusers of Franken and Conyers are telling the truth.
The multiple dozens of Republican accusers of Moore and Trump are of course liars.

Funny how that works huh?
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Rep. Ruben Kihuen (D-NV) is the latest member of Congress to be hit with allegations of sexual misconduct. Has he resigned yet?
 
reinoe said:
I said it before...

If Franken resigns it's because he's guilty. If he stays it's because he's innocent. He must have been guilty.
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Are you one of those guys that keeps piling on when someone does the right thing? Sounds like it.
 
upsideguy said:
Franken is stepping up as the man he is and admitting guilt. Where is Moore (and Trump) with their admissions?

When the witnesses outnumber him 18 to 1, Moore most likely is. If he were a real Christian, he would craft some type of apology, ask for forgiveness of the victims and then explain the blessing fo the forgiveness of God. It appears, however, that he lacks a fundamental understanding of what it means to be a Christian, opting instead for self-righteousness. Frankly, that is akin to using the Lords name for political gain (in vain).

Sorry, but Moore is one of the most despicable creatures ever to run for a national office.
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I think Trump is a close second if it's not a tie.
 
rocket88 said:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-call-for-frankens-resignation-idUSKBN1E02G4
Democrat Al Franken will resign from the U.S. Senate on Thursday, Minnesota Public Radio reported, after more than half of his Senate Democratic colleagues urged him to do so in light of sexual misconduct accusations.

Sorry cons....I think you guys will miss him more than anyone. Also, his replacement will be a Democrat.
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Are you sure this is accurate? because what I found says Franken has not yet made a final decision.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/12/06/senator-al-franken-to-resign

Apparently Franken tweeted and said the report was not accurate.
 
Deuce said:
He predicted Trump's victory earlier than most. He went around doing his usual documentary nonsense and realized, holy ****, these people are really responding to the fat orange ****head.
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Much as Sanders was frantically calling Washington Dec/15 Jan/16 trying to warn them that the country had changed, and that they had no clue. People had to get out of the bubble to see America, and almost no one bothered to make the trip.
 
gdgyva said:
Tell you what...we will all agree to have Moore resign the day after he Takes office, so the governor can appoint another republican

Happy?
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As long as he doesn't have a thing for teenagers, fine by me.
 
Grand Mal said:
Very prudent. Wait to do the right thing until the political agenda is satisfied. Pragmatism at it's best, in the Larry Craig mold.
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And of course politics plays no part in your opinions at all

With Franken you lose nothing...the governor appoints another democrat....

After Moore wins, we kick him out, or make him resign...and let the governor appoint another republican

Same damn thing.....

No party gains or loses a seat from either one

And if you don’t think it is the same, your partisanship is showing
 
gdgyva said:
And of course politics plays no part in your opinions at all

With Franken you lose nothing...the governor appoints another democrat....

After Moore wins, we kick him out, or make him resign...and let the governor appoint another republican

Same damn thing.....

No party gains or loses a seat from either one

And if you don’t think it is the same, your partisanship is showing
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First off, I don't have a dog in the hunt. I'm Canadian, and not much of a fan of the Democratic Party because they're historically isolationist, though Trump is breaking new ground in that department.
Second, you've proven my point about supporting an unacceptable candidate for the sake of tossing him after the election because you can appoint a replacement from the same party.
Really? Are you really saying you'd elect someone so unacceptable to common decency that you'd toss him after the election for the sake of partisanship? This looks to you like making the system work?
MAGA
 
vesper said:
Rep. Ruben Kihuen (D-NV) is the latest member of Congress to be hit with allegations of sexual misconduct. Has he resigned yet?
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Should he?
 
Mr Person said:
All I can say is that if the Dems really do take the high road, it damn well better hurt the Rs when they don't.




I have become to cynical to think it likely. I mean, he should resign, but it seriously irritates me that Dems have either fallen on their swords or been taken down by other Dems, while the Rs just claim everything is a lie and get defended for doing so here.

If it's bad, it's bad and party shouldn't matter. But someone, all the accusers of Rs are liars who inexplicably claimed to have been harassed by people that claim to not know them.







:roll:
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"All I can say is that if the Dems really do take the high road, it damn well better hurt the Rs when they don't. "

Call me cynical, but I think that what it's all about, put pressure on the GOP about Moore. One wonders how many in congress are going to be ejected in the process; what the final count is going to end up being, and how many seats will be changing party in the process, with all the special elections that'll be required.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Are you one of those guys that keeps piling on when someone does the right thing? Sounds like it.
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The right thing would be fighting the charges if he were innocent. As I've repeatedly said throughout this forum.
 
gdgyva said:
Tell you what...we will all agree to have Moore resign the day after he Takes office, so the governor can appoint another republican

Happy?
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It's better than literally nothing. Do you think that will actually happen, or do you think this will follow the exact same trajectory as the Republican response to the Access Hollywood tape? My bet is on the latter.
 
eohrnberger said:
"All I can say is that if the Dems really do take the high road, it damn well better hurt the Rs when they don't. "

Call me cynical, but I think that what it's all about, put pressure on the GOP about Moore. One wonders how many in congress are going to be ejected in the process; what the final count is going to end up being, and how many seats will be changing party in the process, with all the special elections that'll be required.
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"Doing the right thing is cynical, therefore we will continue to do the wrong thing and support a child molester."

-eohrnberger
 
rocket88 said:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-call-for-frankens-resignation-idUSKBN1E02G4
Democrat Al Franken will resign from the U.S. Senate on Thursday, Minnesota Public Radio reported, after more than half of his Senate Democratic colleagues urged him to do so in light of sexual misconduct accusations.

Sorry cons....I think you guys will miss him more than anyone. Also, his replacement will be a Democrat.
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That is the big difference between Alabama and Minnesota. No switch of parties, the Democrats can easily, with no fear at the numbers changing urge or call for Franken to resign. As you state he will be replaced by another democrat, so calling for his resignation is a no brainier from a numbers point of view. The numbers don't change. It will still be 52-48 GOP to Democrats even with Franken's resignation and the appointment of another Democrat.

I am speaking just from a numbers point of view here. That is where Alabama is completely different. A Jones win changes the numbers. Instead of 52-48 it becomes 51-49. The republicans have everything to lose, the Democrats everything to gain in Alabama. The Status Quo changes. That could be very big considering the more independent minded senators like Collins, Murkowski, Paul and perhaps McCain, Flake, Corker.
 
Cardinal said:
"Doing the right thing is cynical, therefore we will continue to do the wrong thing and support a child molester."

-eohrnberger
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Hardly.

I'm cynical that if there weren't a Roy Moore running, the Dems wouldn't bother doing anything with Franken, Conyers nor all the rest. Since when have the Dems done ANYTHING because 'its the right thing to do', those who've injected politics into EVERYTHING, so I feel quite justified in my cynicism.

As observed above, the Dems have nothing the lose forcing Franklin to resign, and everything to gain if they win in Alabama. So . . . Franken gets thrown under the bus. As does Bill, as he's politically useless now anyway, with Hillary soon to follow.

Given that it's happening, I say bring it on and clear these people out of congress, and the administration, provided it is with credible cause.

Never said that I supported Moore, mainly because I don't, and in the end, it's not for me to vote on, I'm not from Alabama.

What is it with the people from the left? Always accusing others of the grossest things without foundation or evidence.
Tell you the truth, I'm kinda fed up with it, and the political left should start worrying about it, as each it does it, it looses them just a little bit more credibility.

So have you stopped beating your wife yet?
 
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Perotista said:
That is the big difference between Alabama and Minnesota. No switch of parties, the Democrats can easily, with no fear at the numbers changing urge or call for Franken to resign. As you state he will be replaced by another democrat, so calling for his resignation is a no brainier from a numbers point of view. The numbers don't change. It will still be 52-48 GOP to Democrats even with Franken's resignation and the appointment of another Democrat.

I am speaking just from a numbers point of view here. That is where Alabama is completely different. A Jones win changes the numbers. Instead of 52-48 it becomes 51-49. The republicans have everything to lose, the Democrats everything to gain in Alabama. The Status Quo changes. That could be very big considering the more independent minded senators like Collins, Murkowski, Paul and perhaps McCain, Flake, Corker.
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Skip the numbers. Republicans are finding it more attractive to elect a pedophile than to take a moral position. Shame on them.
 
eohrnberger said:
Hardly.

I'm cynical that if there weren't a Roy Moore running, the Dems wouldn't bother doing anything with Franken, Conyers nor all the rest. Since when have the Dems done ANYTHING because 'its the right thing to do', those who've injected politics into EVERYTHING, so I feel quite justified in my cynicism.

As observed above, the Dems have nothing the lose forcing Franklin to resign, and everything to gain if they win in Alabama. So . . . Franken gets thrown under the bus. As does Bill, as he's politically useless now anyway, with Hillary soon to follow.

Given that it's happening, I say bring it on and clear these people out of congress, and the administration, provided it is with credible cause.

Never said that I supported Moore, mainly because I don't, and in the end, it's not for me to vote on, I'm not from Alabama.

What is it with the people from the left? Always accusing others of the grossest things without foundation or evidence.
Tell you the truth, I'm kinda fed up with it, and the political left should start worrying about it, as each it does it, it looses them just a little bit more credibility.

So have you stopped beating your wife yet?
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"I'm really upset that Democrats are doing the right thing and Republicans aren't, so I'm just going to sit here and make old man noises all night."

-eohrnberger
 
Cardinal said:
"I'm really upset that Democrats are doing the right thing and Republicans aren't, so I'm just going to sit here and make old man noises all night."

-eohrnberger
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Are the Dems doing the right thing? Arguable, but probably yes. I stated as much about sending these types of people out of congress.

These's also the why, and what are the motives.

No telling what sort of Dems are going to be elected in their place though. Might be a bunch of socialists, or worse than what was there.
 
eohrnberger said:
Are the Dems doing the right thing? Arguable, but probably yes. I stated as much about sending these types of people out of congress.

These's also the why, and what are the motives.

No telling what sort of Dems are going to be elected in their place though. Might be a bunch of socialists, or worse than what was there.
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"Admitting that Democrats can sometimes do the right thing is really, really hard for me to do."

-eohrnberger
 
Thelion said:
Skip the numbers. Republicans are finding it more attractive to elect a pedophile than to take a moral position. Shame on them.
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It's a he said, she said situation. Impossible to prove from 40 years or so ago. From what I've seen, everything on Moore is purely partisan. Did Moore do it? I don't know and no one else knows either except the accusers and Moore. Call it partisan speculation if you will.

I do think the Alabama Republicans deserve having a Democrat elected by going to someone so far out that the word Wacko seems appropriate. But the GOP did the same thing in Missouri with Aiken and in Indiana with Mourdock in 2012 and lost both of those seats which they would have won easily with a not so far out fringe candidate. They're own doings. Back in 2010 the Republicans lost with Angle and O'Donnell and let's not forget the Republicans in Alaska nominate Joe Miller only to have him lose to Lisa Murkowski who ran as an independent.

But back to numbers, it's very easy to side with what seems morally right when one doesn't lose a thing by doing so. It's quite another thing to do so when one knows they will suffer by doing so. At least numbers wise. I'm not from Alabama and I don't care who wins or loses there. It's not my place to tell Alabaman's who to choose as their next senator.
 
poweRob said:
The handful of Democratic accusers of Franken and Conyers are telling the truth.
The multiple dozens of Republican accusers of Moore and Trump are of course liars.

Funny how that works huh?
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Um, should we conclude that Democrats deal in truth, while Republicans deal in lies? Seems proof positive of what we have known all along.
 
Cardinal said:
"Admitting that Democrats can sometimes do the right thing is really, really hard for me to do."

-eohrnberger
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When you have a post worth reading let me know.
 
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