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Female Democratic senators to Al Franken: Resign

Harshaw said:
Trump is embarrassing. What the Republican Senators have done is not. You are refusing, tooth and nail, to acknowledge what they did, and you're erecting all kinds of crazy hoops to get them to do so.

Credit you're more than willing to extend to the Johnny-come-lately, feet-dragging Democrats.

All they can do is call on him to step aside. They can't actually MAKE him do it.

And, by the way, I'm NOT a Republican, and have not been since 1991.
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What the hell?

They need to come out publicly NOW and reject him. The election is 6 days away. Now. After that clown Trump and the RNC came out in support of him. You don't get it, do you?
 
tres borrachos said:
What the hell?

They need to come out publicly NOW and reject him. The election is 6 days away. Now. After that clown Trump and the RNC came out in support of him. You don't get it, do you?
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I don't get your minimizing on this, and your willingness to lionize the Democrats for taking weeks to do something, reluctantly, that the Republicans did within days, no.
 
Harshaw said:
I think it sucks.



What, they have to keep repeating themselves to prove themselves to you? Which ones have changed their positions on him?



THIS is very much about your refusal to acknowledge their good behavior (while above, actively trying to minimize it), and aggrandizing Democrats for taking weeks to do what the Republicans did within days.
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McConnell has changed from he should withdraw to let the voters decide.
Though he was quick to state that Moore should withdraw, 4 day after, and IMHO, that is rather quick. He has since changed that.
Now we have Trump endorsing him, and since then and from what I can see earlier, last week(approx) or so we have no Republicans, Senate /House calling for him to withdraw.
So any Kudos that McConnell got for acting quickly have been lost with the change in position, his, Trumps enforcement and RNC funding.

Moore will be a poster boy for the Dems in the 18 elections.
 
JANFU said:
McConnell has changed from he should withdraw to let the voters decide.
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That's not exactly what happened.

McConnell: Let Alabama make the call on Moore - CNNPolitics

"I think we're going to let the people of Alabama decide a week from Tuesday who they want to send to the Senate, and then we'll address the matter appropriately," McConnell said.
Referring to the committee, the Kentucky Republican added: "I'm confident they'll come up with the right conclusion."
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Moore didn't exactly take that as an endorsement:

Moore responded to McConnell's statements with a tweet Sunday night. "The people of Alabama have rejected you twice Mitch, on December 12th they will do it again," he wrote.
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Harshaw said:
That's not exactly what happened.

McConnell: Let Alabama make the call on Moore - CNNPolitics



Moore didn't exactly take that as an endorsement:
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Not exactly.
13 Nov
McConnell on Moore: 'I believe the women' - CNNPolitics
Washington (CNN)Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell believes the allegations against Alabama Republican Senate nominee Roy Moore and that Moore should leave the race, the Kentucky Republican said Monday.

"I believe the women, yes," McConnell told reporters in Kentucky.
McConnell, the Senate's top Republican and a frequent target of Moore on the campaign trail, said, "I think he should step aside."
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Harshaw said:
And what did he say which contradicts this? He clearly said that he expects to take "appropriate action," i.e., the expulsion of Moore from the Senate.
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Off to the ethics committee. I doubt he will be expelled.
He went from he should withdraw to let the voter decide.
We shall wait and see what happens.
 
JANFU said:
Off to the ethics committee. I doubt he will be expelled.
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Yes, you said that.

He went from he should withdraw to let the voter decide.
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Not in the way you're implying here. He hasn't changed his position on Moore - he's still saying that the "appropriate" thing is to expel him from the Senate. There just isn't anything he can do about it until and if Moore is actually elected. The voters are going to decide no matter what he says.


We shall wait and see what happens.
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Yeah, we will. We'll see if Franken resigns, too, and what happens if he doesn't.
 
Harshaw said:
Yes, you said that.



Not in the way you're implying here. He hasn't changed his position on Moore - he's still saying that the "appropriate" thing is to expel him from the Senate. There just isn't anything he can do about it until and if Moore is actually elected. The voters are going to decide no matter what he says.




Yeah, we will. We'll see if Franken resigns, too, and what happens if he doesn't.
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Well I say dollar to donuts he announces that Thursday.
 
Harshaw said:
What happens if you're wrong?
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I have been wrong before. I have no issue on being corrected when I am wrong. I have my own saying, "only a fool lies to themselves and believes it".
 
tres borrachos said:
Let's make a comparison.

23 of 47 Democratic Senators have publicly called on Franken to resign.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/06/full-list-senators-call-for-al-franken-to-resign-282175

The President of the United States (and leader of the Republican Party) and the Republican National Committee are fully and publicly endorsing Roy Moore.

Now tell me, who looks good in that comparison? I'll give you a hint. It isn't the Republican Party. And it definitely isn't the President.
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Let's make a comparison.

Admitted allegations versus allegations denied.

Proof of one and no proof of the other.
 
Mason66 said:
Let's make a comparison.

Admitted allegations versus allegations denied.

Proof of one and no proof of the other.
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I missed Franken admitting to sexually molesting women. Link, please?
 
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Al Franken has to go. There is no excuse for sexually harassing women. Period. I can say this with a straight face, because I believe it. However, Republicans calling for Franken to step down, while at the same supporting a child molester in Alabama? The only thing they believe in is that the ends justify the means. They may claim to hate Communism, but Karl Marx is having the last laugh today.
 
poweRob said:
Cleaning one's own house. Take note repubs as you vote for and/or support your child molester next week.

Female Democratic senators to Al Franken: Resign

At least six female Democratic senators called on Sen. Al Franken to resign Wednesday, marking the first time any senator has called on the Minnesota Democrat to leave office as allegations of sexual harassment continue to mount.

In a statement on Facebook, New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand wrote: "While Senator Franken is entitled to have the Ethics Committee conclude its review, I believe it would be better for our country if he sent a clear message that any kind of mistreatment of women in our society isn't acceptable by stepping aside to let someone else serve."​
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As strong a voice as he was, he needs to go. I hate to see him go, but what I hate even more is having someone in power who can't keep his hands (or tongue) to himself.
 
Harshaw said:
:roll:

November 15th, right after the allegations against Moore broke:

What all 52 Republican senators say about embattled Alabama candidate Roy Moore - ABC News



Versus six Senate Democrat women (out of 48 Dem Senators). Well after the allegations continued to pile up.

If you're going to try to make that comparison, at least make sure it's a favorable one beforehand.
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Ask those same 52 today if they still stand against Moore. 50 cents says the majority of them now back him.
 
Superfly said:
Ask those same 52 today if they still stand against Moore. 50 cents says the majority of them now back him.
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I'm sure that's what you wish to believe, but there isn't a shred of evidence of it.
 
Harshaw said:
I'm sure that's what you wish to believe, but there isn't a shred of evidence of it.
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We shall see what happens after next week. I've no doubt that he will be elected, because you can't trust people to pick principle over politics anymore.

Let's see what happens once he's in. My guess is nothing. His R vote will be far more important than anything else.
 
Superfly said:
We shall see what happens after next week. I've no doubt that he will be elected, because you can't trust people to pick principle over politics anymore.

Let's see what happens once he's in. My guess is nothing. His R vote will be far more important than anything else.
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The "R" vote isn't in danger, because if he's expelled, another "R" will take his place, whether appointed by the governor or elected in another special election.
 
Harshaw said:
Show me the Senators who have changed their position.
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find them yourself. Your schtick of demanding others to run in circles for you while you just sit back and play refuter... is over. :wink:
 
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tres borrachos said:
You see more than half of the sitting Democrats calling for him to resign. As of right now. More than half.

Then you see the RNC supporting Moore, and the President of the United States - the leader of the party - supporting him.

That's a fact.
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Booyahhhh!


The Republican Party Slinks Back to Roy Moore

The RNC is funding Roy Moore’s campaign again

The Republican National Committee on Monday resumed funding Roy Moore’s Senate campaign — weeks after the party halted their support in the wake of numerous sexual harassment allegations launched against him.

The RNC’s decision to funnel money and staff to the Alabama Senate candidate came on the same day President Trump called Moore and offered his “full support,” according to The Daily Beast.

McConnell backs off criticism of Roy Moore

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell on Sunday seemed to back off when he said the voters in Alabama should make the final decision whether the Republican candidate is elected to the Senate.

“I’m going to let the people of Alabama make the call,” the Kentucky Republican said on ABC’s “This Week.” “This election has been going on a long time. There’s been a lot of discussion about it. They’re going to make the decision a week from Tuesday.”

When the accusations surfaced Nov. 13 that Moore had sexually harassed and groped young women when he was in his 30s, McConnell said he believed the women and suggested Moore “step aside.”​
 
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poweRob said:
Booyahhhh!


The RNC is funding Roy Moore’s campaign again

The Republican National Committee on Monday resumed funding Roy Moore’s Senate campaign — weeks after the party halted their support in the wake of numerous sexual harassment allegations launched against him.

The RNC’s decision to funnel money and staff to the Alabama Senate candidate came on the same day President Trump called Moore and offered his “full support,” according to The Daily Beast.​
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Yup. The "new" Republican Party is itching to send to the Senate a suspected, and likely, pervert who likes to feel up little girls through their training bras.

Slap me on the head and wake me when this nightmare is over. The GOP is nailing its coffin shut every day, led by that buffoon in the Oval Office. Thanks, Trump voters! Ugh.
 
tres borrachos said:
Yup. The "new" Republican Party is itching to send to the Senate a suspected, and likely, pervert who likes to feel up little girls through their training bras.

Slap me on the head and wake me when this nightmare is over. The GOP is nailing its coffin shut every day, led by that buffoon in the Oval Office. Thanks, Trump voters! Ugh.
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Sorry tres... I know it sucks. They should've been their own nutjob party but instead they hijacked the GOP.
 
poweRob said:
Sorry tres... I know it sucks. They should've been their own nutjob party but instead they hijacked the GOP.
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I know you're a liberal (love you in spite of that), but I also know you're human and understand how I feel. I don't enjoy this. It kills me. I hate what this alt-right ****, led by Trump and Bannon and Miller, have done to this party. But at the same time, I blame the party now too. They have two choices - stand up to that garbage, or play along with it, knowing you'll soon be out of power, and probably for a generation. Looks like they are opting for #2, and it confounds me and sickens me.

If this doesn't stop soon, I won't ever be able to support that party again. Trust me - that bothers me to say it. But I will not compromise my principles to support this crap just because "libruls!".
 
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