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Trump's personal banking information handed over to Robert Mueller

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16 and 17 year olds are not children.



Or ask any father how he would react to a creepy 30 year old stalking his daughter.

So.in your mind they are not old enough to drink, buy cigarettes, vote, join the military etc..
But a 30 something should hang out In malls and try to pick them up.
The man is a pervert plain and simple.
 
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Ask any judge after someone in their 30s has sex with a High school student...

That would depend on what state they were in, doesn't it?
 
Or ask any father how he would react to a creepy 30 year old stalking his daughter.

So.in your mind they are not old enough to drink, buy cigarettes, vote, join the military etc..
But a 30 something should hang out In malls and try to pick them up.
The man is a pervert plain and simple.

What does that have to do with 16 and 17 year olds not being CHILDREN?
 
Or ask any father how he would react to a creepy 30 year old stalking his daughter.

So.in your mind they are not old enough to drink, buy cigarettes, vote, join the military etc..
But a 30 something should hang out In malls and try to pick them up.
The man is a pervert plain and simple.

What does that have to do with 16 and 17 year olds not being CHILDREN?
 
After watching this video--it could be that Russian oligarchs own Trump and his empire. When Maddow uses the sharpy in this video as an example, I think of Trump hotel's, golf courses and casino's he owns around the world.



It would be a fairly good reason to be praising Vladimir Putin all of the time--and wanting to lift sanctions on Russia.



While Trump was running for POTUS he was also planning a massive Trump tower to be built in Moscow.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...b4e4bb76a3a_story.html?utm_term=.5b31824e1765

Then this from Michael Flynn:


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/...a-sanctions-ripped-up-whistleblower.html?_r=0


In the end, I suspect we will see the evidence that
1- Trump has had significant financial ties to Russia
2- Trump owes some of his survival in business during crisis periods to these same Russian financial ties
3- key people in the Trump campaign colluded with Russia
4- Trump participated in the conspiracy of the cover-up that followed

In addition I strongly suspect Trumps motivation in much of this is to curry favor with his Russian masters so they fondly pet his head as he licks their hand and bestows upon him greater financial rewards in his future dealings with them.
 
That would depend on what state they were in, doesn't it?



Well I've been around and I have never lived in a state where it would.be.
By your continual defense of pedophilia I assume you do by design...
 
Fox News isn't the only one on a downward spiral, most mainstream news is suffering loss of following too. We've been reading about this for months if not years; online advertising revenue soaring past that for TV, millenials cutting cable subscriptions, most in the US tracking news on mobile devices... I thought this was a consequence of accessibility, convenience, cost, maybe a preference for self-confirming bias. Could it be the effects of "fake news"?

Yesterday, while I waited hours in an emergency room waiting room I saw some CNN documentary on Flynn. Audio was off, but I could see video of the General in his uniform testifying in Congress, standing beside Trump, waving, striding through the corridors of power and speaking from lecterns. They were interviewing academic consulltants about "Flynnfacts" and recounting examples from his role in Iraq, claims of Arabic markings giving directions found near the Texas border, routing of daesh, civilian casualties from US intervention, there was video relating to all of this and ambassador Kislak, that Russian lawyer at the Trump Tower, of Obama meeting with Trump, of Comey and Mueller, Putin and Trump. From the scrolling captions it was evidently quite a critical piece, but there was no "news", this was some sort of documentary (an "investigative reporting" piece). There's been no news on Flynn besides that he plead guilty to false statements to the FBI (and plenty of speculation on what Mueller will get him to admit about the dealings of Trump's team with Russia's Putin).

Most of the news I have from CNN concerns critical reporting from conservative sources denouncing CNN's misrepresentations: CNN said Comey would deny he had assured Trump 3 times that he was not under FBI investigation; they published, deleted, and then retracted and apologized for an article that claimed Trump adviser Scaramucci was the subject of a Senate investigation for his ties to Russian bankers; they cited a study from the Oxford Internet Institute, to show that fake news targeted swing states during election week, but the study was on “junk news,” not “fake news,” and included conservative outlets like the Washington Examiner and Breitbart News in their definition of “fake news”; they showed Trump impatiently dumping fish food in a koi pond during his Japan visit, when he was just following Abe's lead; they quoted an excerpt of Trump speaking in Japan to imply he didn't even know they made cars in the US; last Friday CNN told us Trump Jr. and the Trump campaign had received advanced access to stolen emails published by WikiLeaks (the email was dated after the Wikileaks publication). When they tell us Mueller has subpoenaed Deutsche Bank for Trump's personal banking records and the bank denies this, what do you think?

I wonder about a couple of things; do just the followers of conservative media realize CNN and other mainstream media are inaccurately reporting, and do those who follow the news from sources like CNN regard conservative sources like conservatives see CNN?

It could be there are two "alternative realities" in the US; a liberal "reality" with a misogynistic, racist, corrupt, traitor elected president (with Russian help) by ignorant and duped deplorables, and a conservative "reality" with a "deep state" establishment in cahoots with a liberal media with concocted stories resisting a natural leader fighting successfully to restore the country.

That's what I struggle with. What's real news, anymore, and what 's fake? Fox News had been news organization that had done well with reporting both sides (although, there are a few anchors who are conservative). The past few years, however (and maybe you noticed it as well), it had started leaning a little more Left. Not too much (and maybe it has stopped), but it's noticeable. With exceptions like Hannity, Laura Ingrahm, and the people on Fox and Friends (who have been pretty consistent throughout the years), you do some cracks that there are some Establishment sympathizers there. I'll listen to talk radio, read articles on Drudge and Breitbart because they have been more on point, despite the political biases. So called conservative media, like the Blaze and Weekly Standard, I've abandoned them because they're more concerned about pushing their agenda rather than report the news. All I really want is simple: What the hell is going on in the world today, is it true, what will I learn from this, how does it affect me, and what I can do to improve and/or avoid whatever danger that's out there? All of that is what I care about, and that's what the news's purpose. Not pushing a political agenda nor a lecture. Just give me what's there and I'll process it as I go along in my day to day routine.
 
To gain following, subscribers (and advertising revenue) mainstream media just needs to recover objectivity, they can't compete with online 'niche' media who can target audiences with more precision. I think mainstream media has attempted to gain market share by emulating successful online content providers and opted for a model aimed at satisfying the views of the largest market, but news reporting should never be about "satisfying views". Eventually an enterprising investor will appreciate the need to restore objectivity, purchase some well-branded mainstream broadcaster or periodical and re-focus on the objective delivery of content that is completely verifiable -and then the others will see the success of that model and follow the lead.

Between now and then the public is left with this inexplicable situation where we get stories of Trump grabbing women by the p*ssy and of FBI agents concocting plans to prevent his election or conceal Hillary's criminal conduct, and are left wondering why given these "facts" nothing transpires. Don't you wonder why despite the repeatedly verified email to Trump Junior delivering access to all of Hillary's compromising emails ten days before Wikileaks got them (denounced at length and in detail by CNN, MSNBC and CBS), the President still hasn't been impeached? Nothing has happened because the story wasn't true, but only people who consider other sources know this. There must be tens of millions of avid mainstream media followers truly perplexed.
 
To gain following, subscribers (and advertising revenue) mainstream media just needs to recover objectivity, they can't compete with online 'niche' media who can target audiences with more precision. I think mainstream media has attempted to gain market share by emulating successful online content providers and opted for a model aimed at satisfying the views of the largest market, but news reporting should never be about "satisfying views". Eventually an enterprising investor will appreciate the need to restore objectivity, purchase some well-branded mainstream broadcaster or periodical and re-focus on the objective delivery of content that is completely verifiable -and then the others will see the success of that model and follow the lead.

Between now and then the public is left with this inexplicable situation where we get stories of Trump grabbing women by the p*ssy and of FBI agents concocting plans to prevent his election or conceal Hillary's criminal conduct, and are left wondering why given these "facts" nothing transpires. Don't you wonder why despite the repeatedly verified email to Trump Junior delivering access to all of Hillary's compromising emails ten days before Wikileaks got them (denounced at length and in detail by CNN, MSNBC and CBS), the President still hasn't been impeached? Nothing has happened because the story wasn't true, but only people who consider other sources know this. There must be tens of millions of avid mainstream media followers truly perplexed.

Trump and his boy both lied about the meeting

Step out of your partisan bubble and ask why ?
 
Meanwhile, despite never doing anything other than governmental service work, the Clintons and Obamas are worth mega millions.

Ms. Clinton has an estimated net worth of around $45,000,000.

Mr. Obama has an estimated net worth of around $12,200,000.

Mr. Trump has an estimated net worth of around $3,100,000,000.

Mr. Obama's estimated net worth is around 0.39% that of Mr. Trump.

Ms. Clinton's estimated net worth is around 1.45% that of Mr. Trump.
 
Nonsense. Personal tax returns are just that personal. He is under no obligation to publish them.

Look up logical fallacies itnwill help you with this one.

And college transcripts are, of course, documents that the nation is entitled to have.

Of sure.

Of course, if Mr. Obama did release his college transcripts, then Mr. Trump's supporters would all be claiming that they were fake.
 
Ms. Clinton has an estimated net worth of around $45,000,000.

Mr. Obama has an estimated net worth of around $12,200,000.

Mr. Trump has an estimated net worth of around $3,100,000,000.

Mr. Obama's estimated net worth is around 0.39% that of Mr. Trump.

Ms. Clinton's estimated net worth is around 1.45% that of Mr. Trump.

The Obamas and Clintons made there money without ripping off Veterans thru Trump University. Something every Adorable cant say about Trump.
 
The Obamas and Clintons made there money without ripping off Veterans thru Trump University. Something every Adorable cant say about Trump.

But Mr. Trump settled all of those legal actions (at __[fill in the blank]__ cents on the dollar) didn't he?
 
is there some reason a DEAD thread was resurrected?

inquiring minds and all....
 
Ms. Clinton has an estimated net worth of around $45,000,000.

Mr. Obama has an estimated net worth of around $12,200,000.

Mr. Trump has an estimated net worth of around $3,100,000,000.

Mr. Obama's estimated net worth is around 0.39% that of Mr. Trump.

Ms. Clinton's estimated net worth is around 1.45% that of Mr. Trump.

How did Obama and Clinton become wealthy doing public service work?
 
How did Obama and Clinton become wealthy doing public service work?

$11.9M (97.54%) of Mr. Obama's estimated net worth came from his books $8.8M (72.13%) and his Presidential Salary $3.1M (25.41%).

Doing the research on that took me less than one minute.

I suggest that you devote the same amount of time to Ms. Clinton's estimated net worth rather than simply assuming that she obtained it all illegally.

Just to start you off, Ms. Clinton received $14.4M (32% of her entire estimated net worth) as an advance payment for ONE book.

Of course, you won't bother to take a look at anything that isn't guaranteed to reinforce your prejudices so I don't know why I bother.
 
$11.9M (97.54%) of Mr. Obama's estimated net worth came from his books $8.8M (72.13%) and his Presidential Salary $3.1M (25.41%).

Doing the research on that took me less than one minute.

I suggest that you devote the same amount of time to Ms. Clinton's estimated net worth rather than simply assuming that she obtained it all illegally.

Just to start you off, Ms. Clinton received $14.4M (32% of her entire estimated net worth) as an advance payment for ONE book.

Of course, you won't bother to take a look at anything that isn't guaranteed to reinforce your prejudices so I don't know why I bother.
Lmao. Absolutely savage.

You have to hand it to Erod. It takes a lot to come out with conspiracy theories about how Obama and Clinton got rich when we are all well aware just how much money is involved in political book writing and speech appearances.

It's not an easy thing to admit one doesn't know a whole lot about. I would not be surprised if he thought JK Rowling did some witchcraft to get rich.



Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
 
How did Obama and Clinton become wealthy doing public service work?

When you are the primary witness at the center of world history, your views and testimony become very, very valuable. You have endless opportunities to give speeches, write books, lecture and otherwise share your experiences, because people want to know. Its just the way it works.

You can see where the Clinton's made $10.5 million per their tax return of 2015...

https://www.npr.org/2016/08/12/489776309/in-an-effort-to-pressure-trump-clinton-releases-tax-rate

Or, you can see the Obama's source of income in their 2015 tax return...

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/images/Blog/Obamas 2015 Taxes.pdf

Obama and Clinton have been quite transparent in their finances and the origins of their wealth. Similarly, we surely can understand Trump's finances and conflicts of interest in his tax return.....

Wait, no we can't. He was too embarrassed to show his tax return. Probably because he made the calculation that the truth would hurt too much.... then again, the man is an expert in failing to tell the truth.
 
Lmao. Absolutely savage.

The FIRST thing that I "sort of resent" about questions of that nature is that the answers take longer to type in than they do to find.

The SECOND thing that I "sort of resent" about questions of that nature is the, regardless of the number of times you provide someone with the actual answer to the question, if you wait a couple of weeks they will ask the question again. (This sort of reminds me of "Oh look! A castle. ... Oh look! A castle. ... Oh look! A castle. ... Oh look! A castle. ... Oh look! A castle. ... Oh look! A castle. ... Oh look! A castle. ... Oh look! A castle. ... Oh look! A castle. ... Oh look! A castle. ... Oh look! A castle. ... Oh look! A castle. ... Oh look! A castle. ... Oh look! A castle. ... Oh look! A castle. ... Oh look! A castle. ... Oh look! A castle. ... Oh look! A castle. ... ".)
 
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