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Alan Dershowitz: 'You cannot charge a president with obstruction of justice for exercising his const

Fearandloathing said:
Please document exactly HOW Trump is "driving the best economy in 16 years?"

Exactly what has he done that has taken effect?
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It’s like the rooster boasting that he drove the brightest sunrise in 16 years. Trump had the good fortune to inherit Obama’s economy, with its trend of diving unemployment and growing GDP.
 
Getting back to the derailed thread — it seems that Trump defenders have changed their narrative from Trump did nothing wrong to, he’s allowed to redirect and divert investigations away from himself. The argument is laughable and is contrary to historical evidence. Republicans used the charge of obstructing justice in their successful impeachment of Bill Clinton in the House.
 
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This is like saying that Congress has the constitutional authority to impeach the POTUS for whatever they want. Technically, it is there, but practically, we have different expectations from our democracy. We don't expect Congress to impeach the president simply because they have the votes and we don't expect the President to behave like a dictator.
 
MTAtech said:
Getting back to the derailed thread — it seems that Trump defenders have changed their narrative from Trump did nothing wrong to, he’s allowed to redirect and divert investigations away from himself. The argument is laughable and is contrary to historical evidence. Republicans used the charge of obstructing justice in their successful impeachment of Bill Clinton in the House.
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Ethical Republicans also invoked obstruction against Nixon.
 
MTAtech said:
Getting back to the derailed thread — it seems that Trump defenders have changed their narrative from Trump did nothing wrong to, he’s allowed to redirect and divert investigations away from himself..
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Yep, it's disturbing how low the bar can go and how much enthusiasm there is for lowering it.
 
exoplanet said:
Yep, it's disturbing how low the bar can go and how much enthusiasm there is for lowering it.
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I call balooooney !!! What is this "bar" you speak of? We as a nation are well beyond such archaic concepts. Liberals were perfectly willing to overlook Hillary's shady dealings, Franken's horn dog indiscretions, the Congressional hush fund, and all manner of transgressions on BOTH sides. And Republicans will hold their noses and seat Moore if he wins. Because politics is ALL about winning. Gone are the days of bi-partisanship. Today major bills become law without even one vote from the other side. You saw it on Obamacare "you can read it when you pass it" to the current tax bill. There is no "bar". Take no prisoners.

Be honest, liberals.....and conservatives..... deep down, wouldn't you love to send the other side to a re-education camp??
 
MTAtech said:
Getting back to the derailed thread — it seems that Trump defenders have changed their narrative from Trump did nothing wrong to, he’s allowed to redirect and divert investigations away from himself. The argument is laughable and is contrary to historical evidence. Republicans used the charge of obstructing justice in their successful impeachment of Bill Clinton in the House.
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Well, the relevent switched narrative was the one that went from Trump and Putin worked together to throw the election, to Trump and Putin worked together during the transition
 
Waddy said:
I call balooooney !!! What is this "bar" you speak of? We as a nation are well beyond such archaic concepts. Liberals were perfectly willing to overlook Hillary's shady dealings, Franken's horn dog indiscretions, the Congressional hush fund, and all manner of transgressions on BOTH sides. And Republicans will hold their noses and seat Moore if he wins. Because politics is ALL about winning. Gone are the days of bi-partisanship. Today major bills become law without even one vote from the other side. You saw it on Obamacare "you can read it when you pass it" to the current tax bill. There is no "bar". Take no prisoners.

Be honest, liberals.....and conservatives..... deep down, wouldn't you love to send the other side to a re-education camp??
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First, there were no "Hillary shady dealings." That's just what the right-wing media drummed but when reviewed, there was nothing there. The GOP controlled Congress had countless investigations on her and came up short-handed. In terms of shady deals, this chart is enlightening.

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Second, what Franken was said to have done was not widely known and wasn't particularly serious. (Attempted kissing and an ass tap.) That's nothing compared to Moore, underage sexual assault and attempted rape. In any case, Franken was contrite and apologized. Moore doubled-down.

Third, Obama tried to get Republicans involved but their objective was to make him a one term president. So, they just took his compromises and voted no anyway. No Democratic Senate has ever refused to even vote on Republican president's Supreme Court nominee, like McConnell's Senate did.

The point that I am making is that the parties are not symmetric and it's not equal fault on both sides.
 
MTAtech;
The point that I am making is that the parties are not symmetric and it's not equal fault on both sides.
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There is plenty of fault to go around. A couple of degrees of difference does not make one party or the other squeaky clean. If and when the Democrats hold all three branches again they won't give a hoot if any Republicans vote their way.
 
Casca XV said:
The biggest was repealing all of Obama's economy killing executive orders.
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Couldn't name even one or provide evidence of any effect. And nobody was surprised.
 
MTAtech said:
First, there were no "Hillary shady dealings." That's just what the right-wing media drummed but when reviewed, there was nothing there. The GOP controlled Congress had countless investigations on her and came up short-handed. In terms of shady deals, this chart is enlightening.

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Second, what Franken was said to have done was not widely known and wasn't particularly serious. (Attempted kissing and an ass tap.) That's nothing compared to Moore, underage sexual assault and attempted rape. In any case, Franken was contrite and apologized. Moore doubled-down.

Third, Obama tried to get Republicans involved but their objective was to make him a one term president. So, they just took his compromises and voted no anyway. No Democratic Senate has ever refused to even vote on Republican president's Supreme Court nominee, like McConnell's Senate did.

The point that I am making is that the parties are not symmetric and it's not equal fault on both sides.
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Attorney General Eric Holder described himself "Obama's Wing-man" and his successor was even more corrupt.

The GOP has the integrity to go after their own when appropriate. Democrats have no integrity and 90% of the news media willing to flat out lie abut them.

Obama was easily the most corrupt President in modern US history. That he and that Transvestite he is married to were never perp-walked out of the WH in handcuffs is one of our nations great injustices.
 
Casca XV said:
The GOP has the integrity to go after their own when appropriate.
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Trump is in office and they're actively supporting a child molester. This sentence is provably false.
 
Deuce said:
Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

These things happened, but that doesn't mean they improved the economy. Are you going to try and tell me declaring May 1 to be "loyalty day" created jobs?

The ACA passed. The economy has improved every year since. Clearly the ACA is responsible.
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And after President Trump instructed the IRS not to enforce Obamacare the economy improved at the fasted rate it has in 35 years.

What minor economic improvements we had was the private sector figuring out ways around Obama's destructive policies.

Low fuel prices almost 100% made the economic improvements possible. They were caused by Fracking, private land oil drilling, pipe lines like Keystone that Dems failed to block. All policies Obama opposed.

Business leaders reacted to Obama's reelection by announcing layoff and cut backs. They reacted to Trumps election win by bringing jobs back to the US.

Today we have the best economy in 18 years. Consumer Confidence has just gone from an 18 year high to the highest ever recorded.

There were no trends like that under Obama.
 
Deuce said:
Trump is in office and they're actively supporting a child molester. This sentence is provably false.
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And like with Trump, prior to Moore running for office none of those allegations ever existed. Also like with Trump many of those allegations are reasonably being proven to be lies.
 
Casca XV said:
And like with Trump, prior to Moore running for office none of those allegations ever existed. Also like with Trump many of those allegations are reasonably being proven to be lies.
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Both false.
 
Casca XV said:
"False" Why, because you say?
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Trump was taken to court by his own wife in 1989.
Another lawsuit was filed in 1997.

Roy Moore was banned from a mall ages ago. Numerous people have said everyone was aware of his actions around young girls.

Don't let facts get in the way of your belief. :)
 
Deuce said:
Trump was taken to court by his own wife in 1989.
Another lawsuit was filed in 1997.

Roy Moore was banned from a mall ages ago. Numerous people have said everyone was aware of his actions around young girls.

Don't let facts get in the way of your belief. :)
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Nice try.

President Trumps X- wife later recanted her allegations. Hyperbolic statements during a heated divorce are not uncommon.

In 1997 President Trump was in a Real-estate lawsuit with Jill Hearth's then husband. When it became obvious they were losing she started spouting that Trump groped her. It was such obvious BS that they lost even quicker and no media picked it up at the time. There is actually no documentation from that time, this is one of her half dozen versions of events.

The allegations you mention against Roy Moore are 100% from one X-Cop. When asked, every other cop and mall employee denied it. The X-cop Faye Gary comes from a family of hard core drug dealers. Her son and brother are sitting in prison. Roy Moore was the prosecuting attorney for each. She was so un-trusted by other cops that they would not discuss cases in front of her because she was well known to leak information to her drug dealing family family.
 
Casca XV said:
Nice try.

President Trumps X- wife later recanted her allegations. Hyperbolic statements during a heated divorce are not uncommon.

In 1997 President Trump was in a Real-estate lawsuit with Jill Hearth's then husband. When it became obvious they were losing she started spouting that Trump groped her. It was such obvious BS that they lost even quicker and no media picked it up at the time. There is actually no documentation from that time, this is one of her half dozen versions of events.

The allegations you mention against Roy Moore are 100% from one X-Cop. When asked, every other cop and mall employee denied it. The X-cop Faye Gary comes from a family of hard core drug dealers. Her son and brother are sitting in prison. Roy Moore was the prosecuting attorney for each. She was so un-trusted by other cops that they would not discuss cases in front of her because she was well known to leak information to her drug dealing family family.
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The claim was the allegations didn't exist then. You've just admitted that claim was false. Thank you.
 
Deuce said:
The claim was the allegations didn't exist then. You've just admitted that claim was false. Thank you.
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If you are referring to Hearth, prior to the 2016 there is no evidence she made sexual misconduct allegations. Just a real-estate lawsuit they lost and her current claim that that is when she first said it.

Check mate
 
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