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Trump Jan 2018 UK visit canceled.

MateoMtnClimber said:
I'll give you two guesses.

Also, I'm a thinking, sentient being with interpersonal relationships and the skill to read. Regrettably, some people support the president. Many more people than that do not support him. I base that educated assertion on my own experience, on polls, and on credible literature published all over the world.

You just keep bouncing around without many substantive points and exactly no substantiation for them. You are why the president's supporters are considered a joke by the vast majority of the country's and the world's populations.
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MateoMtnClimber said:
Here. Try reading words. I even included some pictures for you.

Gallup Daily: Trump Job Approval

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...rating-drops-lowest-level-yet-new-nbc-n815321

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Fgg0MAc&usg=AOvVaw3T_p4yRYC5lJ8QSVCeZl0X&cf=1
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ObamacareFail said:
No....you posted opinion polls. That's a common left wing tactic. I am asking you to tell me in your own words how you came up with the two thirds number.
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You are wasting my time and your time. See above.
 
Saladin4 said:
Doubtful...President Obama received a heroes welcome...trump?...Stay the hell away
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Leftist in Europe loved Obama, he was feeding them off the US taxpayer gravy train. Trump kicked them off,so they hat him.

In Asia President Trump got that hero's welcome, the trip was so successful that CNN had to lie about him feeding fish.

On Obama's Asia trip they disrespected him so bad that he was no allowed to leave out the front of Air Force One. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ce-one-video&usg=AOvVaw2-H2DQV0MwbjLY0kER33jC
 
Saladin4 said:
Doubtful...President Obama received a heroes welcome...trump?...Stay the hell away
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Don't need a hero's welcome from the type that would give one to Obama.
 
Yes_Minister said:
The US didn't make Hitler not give his troops winter clothes because he thought he win a quick victory or focus more Stalingrad then Moscow or the oil fields to gain a symbolic victory over Stalin. If the invasion was better planned, the USSR might have lost despite US supplies.
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The Germans were better prepaired for the second winter they spent in Russia.

You are trying to reduce history to the US being the only important actor in the world history and history is not that simple.
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Not the only important factor, but the most important factor. That being said, I doubt that a US/British coalition could have defeated the Germans, nor could a US/Soviet coalition minus the Brits.



Good luck with that. Almost no one outside of the US thinks the US is superior to their country and Canada is not going to sign a one sided trade deal and the UK is not going to be cool with Trump getting involved with their internal politics, just because the US is "awesome".
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People from around the globe are literally waiting in line to get into The United States.

Frankly, the US no longer seems like a city on a Hill, almost no one other country looks to the US political system and says, how can make our system more like that, with gerrymandering and mindless partisan bickering.
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Every country envies our system. Why wouldn't they?

I like aspects of the US, but I think the US political system seems like its broken. There are things admire about the US, but its political system is not one of them at the moment.
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What country do you live in?
 
apdst said:
Not the only important factor, but the most important factor. That being said, I doubt that a US/British coalition could have defeated the Germans, nor could a US/Soviet coalition minus the Brits.
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Any combination of 2/3 would've spelled Germanys defeat. In the case of the USSR and USA, either one could've done it alone.
 
apdst said:
The Germans were better prepaired for the second winter they spent in Russia.



Not the only important factor, but the most important factor. That being said, I doubt that a US/British coalition could have defeated the Germans, nor could a US/Soviet coalition minus the Brits.
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I think you are taking hypothetical theories and presenting them as facts. Would the Germans have defeated the USSR if the US was not in the war, but everything else was the same? Maybe, maybe not, there too many factors in play to make that determination with any real factual centrality. I think its a big stretch to say Russia would have not existed without the US.

apdst said:
People from around the globe are literally waiting in line to get into The United States.
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How many people from First World Democracies go to the US instead of staying home?

Why is there no serge of illegal immigration with Anglo Canadians trying to sneak into the US? I do not think many people living in First World countries think the US is better then their country.


apdst said:
Every country envies our system. Why wouldn't they?
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Most First World countries don't have gerrymandering, why would they want to copy a system with that? Also other systems have partisanship, but the US takes it such an extreme to the point it goes from healthy political competition to tribalism, I am not sure most first world democracies want to copy a system that promotes that level of partisanship.

I think most first world countries are not envying the US system at the moment.

apdst said:
What country do you live in?
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I mentioned before I live in Canada. I have extensive family in the US and could claim US citizenship, with my mom being born in America. I am not sure how much of a benefit there is moving from Canada to the US.

Also the Canadian political system is not great, but I think its better then the US one, the US system seems to have become dysfunctional, IMO.
 
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Casca XV said:
Leftist in Europe loved Obama, he was feeding them off the US taxpayer gravy train. Trump kicked them off,so they hat him.

In Asia President Trump got that hero's welcome, the trip was so successful that CNN had to lie about him feeding fish.

On Obama's Asia trip they disrespected him so bad that he was no allowed to leave out the front of Air Force One. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ce-one-video&usg=AOvVaw2-H2DQV0MwbjLY0kER33jC
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What gravy train are you talking about?
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Any combination of 2/3 would've spelled Germanys defeat. In the case of the USSR and USA, either one could've done it alone.
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Never would have happened.
 
Yes_Minister said:
What gravy train are you talking about?
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Them not paying a fair share to NATO. Deals like Paris Climate Accord where our industry is held back while we pay them grants to modernize theirs. President Trump is even looking into why around half of all UN funding comes from US tax payers when we are about 10% of total member nation wealth.
 
apdst said:
Never would have happened.
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Yes, they could've. For the US its simple: they have the bomb. Nazi Germany has no answer or counter to it.

The Soviets were superior to the Germans in almost every category that matters in a drawn out industrial war: more numbers, superior industry, more competent leadership, and smarter strategy.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Yes, they could've. For the US its simple: they have the bomb. Nazi Germany has no answer or counter to it.

The Soviets were superior to the Germans in almost every category that matters in a drawn out industrial war: more numbers, superior industry, more competent leadership, and smarter strategy.
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We didn't have a way to deliver a nuke without England.

The Russians were only superior in numbers. Without American aid, the Red Army would have folded in 1943.
 
apdst said:
The Russians were only superior in numbers. Without American aid, the Red Army would have folded in 1943.
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False. By 1943, Russia was fully mobilized and began pushing the Germans back into Poland. The USSR was going to beat the Germans even if the US didnt join in the European front.
 
PoS said:
False. By 1943, Russia was fully mobilized and began pushing the Germans back into Poland. The USSR was going to beat the Germans even if the US didnt join in the European front.
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Because we gave them the food, fuel, ammunition and equipment to do so. Without that help, the Red Army would have folded by 1943.
 
Point Of Order:

This is a 200+ post thread in "Breaking News" that is actually based upon FAKENEWS.....no?
 
apdst said:
Because we gave them the food, fuel, ammunition and equipment to do so. Without that help, the Red Army would have folded by 1943.
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Wrong again. The Soviets had their own guns and tanks, ever heard of the T-34? The stuff we gave them was outdated and the bulk came in 1944-45, by then the war had been decided.
 
PoS said:
Wrong again. The Soviets had their own guns and tanks, ever heard of the T-34? The stuff we gave them was outdated and the bulk came in 1944-45, by then the war had been decided.
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They didn't have fuel, food, radios, anti-freeze, nor the vehicles to use in logitical operations until the US gave it to them.

The United States delivered to the Soviet Union from October 1, 1941 to May 31, 1945 the following: 427,284 trucks, 13,303 combat vehicles, 35,170 motorcycles, 2,328 ordnance service vehicles, 2,670,371 tons of petroleum products (gasoline and oil) or 57.8 percent of the High-octane aviation fuel,[24] 4,478,116 tons of foodstuffs (canned meats, sugar, flour, salt, etc.), 1,911 steam locomotives, 66 Diesel locomotives, 9,920 flat cars, 1,000 dump cars, 120 tank cars, and 35 heavy machinery cars. Provided ordnance goods (ammunition, artillery shells, mines, assorted explosives) amounted to 53 percent of total domestic production.[24] One item typical of many was a tire plant that was lifted bodily from the Ford Company's River Rouge Plant and transferred to the USSR. The 1947 money value of the supplies and services amounted to about eleven billion dollars.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease
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Most of the equipment (wheeled vehicles and aircraft especially) was brand new. We gave them 4,000 Shermans. Those didn't go into production until 1942.
 
PoS said:
False. By 1943, Russia was fully mobilized and began pushing the Germans back into Poland. The USSR was going to beat the Germans even if the US didnt join in the European front.
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And who supplied the Russians with the means to push the Germans back into Poland?
 
apdst said:
We didn't have a way to deliver a nuke without England.
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Not really. Any number of locations would've been suitable: Norway, Sardina, Italy.

The Russians were only superior in numbers. Without American aid, the Red Army would have folded in 1943.
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Not really. By 1942 the Germans had suffered two major defeats in Barbarossa and Case Blue and were hemorrhaging troops. They were stuck in an attritional war they didn't have the manpower or resources to sustain.

Without Lend lease the Soviets will have to manufacture their own trucks and supplies, but that's not outside their capability. It does slow them down considerably, but that by itself isn't enough to fix Germany's problems.
 
Dear UK

Please do not hold the rest of America responsible for Trumps racist acts and words.

From your BFF,

United States of America
 
Casca XV said:
Them not paying a fair share to NATO. Deals like Paris Climate Accord where our industry is held back while we pay them grants to modernize theirs. President Trump is even looking into why around half of all UN funding comes from US tax payers when we are about 10% of total member nation wealth.
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You do realize NATO is not an office pool right? If Trump wants to save money, he have to reduce military spending in response to demanding everyone else spend more on their military, which he is not doing. How many grants is the US paying to first world European countries?
 
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