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Special counsel delays grand jury testimony amid signs of Flynn deal talks

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Special counsel delays grand jury testimony amid signs of Flynn deal talks

Special counsel delays grand jury testimony amid signs of Flynn deal talks - CNNPolitics

(CNN)Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team has postponed an anticipated grand jury testimony linked to his investigation into Michael Flynn amid growing indications of possible plea deal discussions.

Additional witnesses were expected to be questioned soon including a public relations consultant hired by Flynn's lobbying firm who was given an early December date deadline to appear before the grand jury, according to a person at the company.
Ahead of the delay, the impression was that the testimony needed to happen soon, the source said.
"Time seems to be of the essence," said the source at Sphere Consulting, the PR firm where the consultant worked.
The grand jury testimony was postponed, the person said, with no reason given. There could be many reasons for a delay, including scheduling issues.
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Getting closer? Who knows, could be a scheduling issue? To many to lay charges against can cause that.
 
Personally I'm not expecting any of this to remove Trump from office.
We'll have to wait until 2020 for that.
Partially it's because I want to avoid disappointment.
But also because it doesn't seem like there's enough there to do so.
 
The Mark said:
Personally I'm not expecting any of this to remove Trump from office.
We'll have to wait until 2020 for that.
Partially it's because I want to avoid disappointment.
But also because it doesn't seem like there's enough there to do so.
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Obstruction of Justice was serious enough for Nixon.
 
The Mark said:
Personally I'm not expecting any of this to remove Trump from office.
We'll have to wait until 2020 for that.
Partially it's because I want to avoid disappointment.
But also because it doesn't seem like there's enough there to do so.
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Exactly.

Anyone betting their house on Trump being removed from office should hand in their keys now, the chances are pretty slim.

But anythings possible.
 
Winston said:
Obstruction of Justice was serious enough for Nixon.
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Firstly, I'm not sure they can prove obstruction of justice.

Secondly, we weren't a tribal then...I mean, we had standards and wouldn't except below a certain degree of ****ery.

Maybe I'm too cynical.
 
This is perhaps the most important development of them all. If the grand jury interviews against Flynn have been delayed, that means Flynn is going to make plea deal that warrants them unnecessary.

Remember what Flynn was accused of.

1)Lying to the FBI.
2)Lying on his security clearances.
3)Concealing foreign payments.
4)Possibly laundering money.
5)Plotting a kidnapping.

The guy is drowning in felonies. There is no way Mueller just gives a guy like that any mercy, unless he has information that is invaluable.
 
MovingPictures said:
This is perhaps the most important development of them all. If the grand jury interviews against Flynn have been delayed, that means Flynn is going to make plea deal that warrants them unnecessary.

Remember what Flynn was accused of.

1)Lying to the FBI.
2)Lying on his security clearances.
3)Concealing foreign payments.
4)Possibly laundering money.
5)Plotting a kidnapping.

The guy is drowning in felonies. There is no way Mueller just gives a guy like that any mercy, unless he has information that is invaluable.
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Or, he doesn't have enough evidence, or there is exculpatory evidence that clears him.
 
Winston said:
Obstruction of Justice was serious enough for Nixon.
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But the Republican party are not serious Americans. They are cowards. They are only interested in maintaining their particular offices. Interesting that their failure to act out of fear will be the self-fulfilling prophecy.

Should Mueller release a scathing indictment of Trump, which I believe he will, and the Cons in office fail to do the right thing, they will be massively turned out of office in 2018.... the incoming Dems will be quick to act
 
The Mark said:
Firstly, I'm not sure they can prove obstruction of justice.

Secondly, we weren't a tribal then...I mean, we had standards and wouldn't except below a certain degree of ****ery.

Maybe I'm too cynical.
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The Trump base will never leave him. They fervently believe that the media and the Democrats are working 24/7 to destroy the country. So, if their savior is taken down, impeached, or forced to resign.. it's because the evil liberals sabotaged their presidency. If Trump is taken down it will be a strike on democracy from the liberal deep state, rather than an objective investigation going where the evidence leads.

Everything is always liberals fault, and liberals are part of a secret cabal to destroy the country. That's what these people think.
 
Winston said:
The Trump base will never leave him. They fervently believe that the media and the Democrats are working 24/7 to destroy the country. So, if their savior is taken down, impeached, or forced to resign.. it's because the evil liberals sabotaged their presidency. If Trump is taken down it will be a strike on democracy from the liberal deep state, rather than an objective investigation going where the evidence leads.

Everything is always liberals fault, and liberals are part of a secret cabal to destroy the country. That's what these people think.
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Best solution is to defeat him in next election, then.

Harder to argue away that, but still possible.
 
The Mark said:
Best solution is to defeat him in next election, then.

Harder to argue away that, but still possible.
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Democrats better give us a better option than HRC.
 
MovingPictures said:
This is perhaps the most important development of them all. If the grand jury interviews against Flynn have been delayed, that means Flynn is going to make plea deal that warrants them unnecessary.

Remember what Flynn was accused of.

1)Lying to the FBI.
2)Lying on his security clearances.
3)Concealing foreign payments.
4)Possibly laundering money.
5)Plotting a kidnapping.

The guy is drowning in felonies. There is no way Mueller just gives a guy like that any mercy, unless he has information that is invaluable.
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It's one thing to accuse, another to prove. Flynn may fight the charges and let Mueller create a spectacle like the Scooter Libby affair. Most of the proof I understand is classified from the deep state so in a public trial, this will come out. It's probably going to be a minor sentence so he can show he did something. If he has the goods why would he negotiate, and if he doesn't he will. It's Mueller's page one, reason for existing case, and the public's perception of the FBI is in the gutter as it is.

He's just as likely to be seen as a James Comey in a darker suit.
 
JANFU said:
Special counsel delays grand jury testimony amid signs of Flynn deal talks

Special counsel delays grand jury testimony amid signs of Flynn deal talks - CNNPolitics


Getting closer? Who knows, could be a scheduling issue? To many to lay charges against can cause that.
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This may explain why Trump is getting so loosey-goosey, lately.

Flynn's recently severing legal ties, surely set him on edge. That in itself, would lead many to believe Flynn flipped. Now this. Two coincidences? Possibly. But I'm thinking the odds are against it.

But here's the real deal: Can Flynn indict Trump, his campaign, or his family?

Because even without Flynn having the goods on anyone, this would likely be causing Trump stress. But what if Flynn is aware of grey area (or worse) behaviour? Trump would be flipping-out!

So which is it? I dunno'. But Trump does seem to be getting looser, in my opinion. If there's legal goods on him and his, he knows the way to save them and him is through politics. Here, politics can trump the law. And Trump knows this. He seems to be going crazy to set-up his base and the GOP to ignore the rest of the world, except for what he feeds them. He's playing to the base in laser-like fashion, and building delusion and uncertainty wherever he can. He's attempted to discredited every person and institution that could move against him.

IMO he's either acting dictatorial to the point of near mental illness, or he's preemptively staving off what he fears will come down the pike.
 
45 is descending into madness. His questioning the AH tape's authenticity is pre-emptive to cast doubt with his base in case anything shows up in the dossier.
 
chuckiechan said:
and the public's perception of the FBI is in the gutter as it is.

He's just as likely to be seen as a James Comey in a darker suit.
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The only people that think the FBI, Mueller and Comey are in the gutter is Trump supporters.
 
Parrish said:
45 is descending into madness. His questioning the AH tape's authenticity is pre-emptive to cast doubt with his base in case anything shows up in the dossier.
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Interesting point.

But that doesn't explain his renewed interest in birtherism.

I do think the guy is losing it. Or losing it in the process of clinging to his base, in order to use politics to overcome his looming legal problems.
 
Chomsky said:
Interesting point.

But that doesn't explain his renewed interest in birtherism.

I do think the guy is losing it. Or losing it in the process of clinging to his base, in order to use politics to overcome his looming legal problems.
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Personally, I don't think he ever gave up on the birtherism, he just hid it because it was unpopular, then became president and made everything so crazy that he could suggest it again and have it be almost normal.

It's been his plan all along.

:lamo
 
Chomsky said:
This may explain why Trump is getting so loosey-goosey, lately.

Flynn's recently severing legal ties, surely set him on edge. That in itself, would lead many to believe Flynn flipped. Now this. Two coincidences? Possibly. But I'm thinking the odds are against it.

But here's the real deal: Can Flynn indict Trump, his campaign, or his family?

Because even without Flynn having the goods on anyone, this would likely be causing Trump stress. But what if Flynn is aware of grey area (or worse) behaviour? Trump would be flipping-out!

So which is it? I dunno'. But Trump does seem to be getting looser, in my opinion. If there's legal goods on him and his, he knows the way to save them and him is through politics. Here, politics can trump the law. And Trump knows this. He seems to be going crazy to set-up his base and the GOP to ignore the rest of the world, except for what he feeds them. He's playing to the base in laser-like fashion, and building delusion and uncertainty wherever he can. He's attempted to discredited every person and institution that could move against him.

IMO he's either acting dictatorial to the point of near mental illness, or he's preemptively staving off what he fears will come down the pike.
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I don't know about Trump, but I predict that the next indictment will be against Kushner.
 
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