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Claire McCaskill took action to hide travel on private plane from public

j-mac said:
Past behavior leads to the suspicion....there is at least one person that could clear this up, and that is McCaskill herself.
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Er uh j-mac, what “past behavior” leads you to what “suspicions”? I have to ask because I’m not seeing any past behavior that makes me concerned let alone her not wanting the public to know where she’s flying to. could you explain it clearly. thanks in advance.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Hey Eco, LTNS.
Some folks would rather fight than produce one simple link. I never understand that. Here is a possible answer to your question. The flight tracking (landings or departures) for her plane has been disabled at the owner's request. This is from the flight tracker on her plane:


Here is the link for her aircraft:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N5346M

Hope that helps.
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I'm aware her plane is no longer GPS public, a prudent security consideration. My question is: don't airports keep track of take offs and landings? I'm pretty sure they do and it's likely public information, even private flights.

It's not "well, their GPS is not public, so we have no idea where they take off and land". Minus public GPS is not invisible air and ground.
 
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ludin said:
We have a right to know if we are subsidizing her private jets.
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faithful_servant said:
Then why is she trying to hide her travels? She already tried to burn us for over $70,000, so common sense says that we should put her on a short leash.
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I'll assume by your lack of responses that you've both realized that once again the conservative media has once again lied to and manipulated you. I have to ask, now you obviously realize it why do you think its okay to lie to push to the conservative agenda? why do you continue to believe what they tell you without fail?
 
Vern said:
Er uh j-mac, what “past behavior” leads you to what “suspicions”? I have to ask because I’m not seeing any past behavior that makes me concerned let alone her not wanting the public to know where she’s flying to. could you explain it clearly. thanks in advance.
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I don't believe that past bad behavior is necessarily an indicator of future bad behavior, but McCaskill's reputation is not squeaky clean.

"McCaskill reimbursed the Treasury more than $88,000 after POLITICO*reported*she had used taxpayer dollars from her Senate office account to pay for nearly 90 flights on her plane, which she owned with her husband, St. Louis businessman Joe Shepard, and other investors."

https://www.politico.com/story/2011/10/mccaskill-sells-damn-plane-066863
 
Vern said:
I'll assume by your lack of responses that you've both realized that once again the conservative media has once again lied to and manipulated you. I have to ask, now you obviously realize it why do you think its okay to lie to push to the conservative agenda? why do you continue to believe what they tell you without fail?
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Not at all. There comes a point there is no longer any point in responding. More so when a person such as yourself cannot seem to grasp the discussion
Do you think it is right for taxpayers to subsidize her plane?

If she is using the plane for personal use I honesty don't care. As soon as she attempts to expense her plane flights
On her personal plane hen it does become my issue.

Making sure that we are not paying for her new plane is exactly what this thread is about.
I didn't know that St. Louis local news was a conservative media do you have any proof of this?

So if you can come up with any reasonable explanation as to why we the taxpayers should pay for her private plane please let us know.
 
j-mac said:
Past behavior leads to the suspicion....there is at least one person that could clear this up, and that is McCaskill herself.

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Clear what up?

She's under no obligation, unless taking taxpayer's funds.
 
ecofarm said:
I'm aware her plane is no longer GPS public, a prudent security consideration. My question is: don't airports keep track of take offs and landings? I'm pretty sure they do and it's likely public information, even private flights.

It's not "well, their GPS is not public, so we have no idea where they take off and land". Minus public GPS is not invisible air and ground.
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The same site provides flight history showing departures and arrivals. Here a link to one example:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N41669/history

Here is the link for McCaskill's aircraft with the info blocked.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight_event_history.rvt?ident=N5346M

It isn't provided to the public in any form if the owner requests that it be blocked by the FAA. It is provided to vendors but they are legally bound not to release the information except to the persons authorized by the owner. Usually that is done by logging onto the vendor website with a password and user name. Of course the vendor requires a fee from the owner to access the information on the vendor's site.
Aircraft Situation Display to Industry

I hope that is a coherent answer. It took me awhile to find the links with the appropriate info.
 
ludin said:
Not at all. There comes a point there is no longer any point in responding. More so when a person such as yourself cannot seem to grasp the discussion
Do you think it is right for taxpayers to subsidize her plane?

If she is using the plane for personal use I honesty don't care. As soon as she attempts to expense her plane flights
On her personal plane hen it does become my issue.

Making sure that we are not paying for her new plane is exactly what this thread is about.
I didn't know that St. Louis local news was a conservative media do you have any proof of this?

So if you can come up with any reasonable explanation as to why we the taxpayers should pay for her private plane please let us know.
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Ludin, you've posted things as fact that you've imagined and you continue to do so. You said "she had to pay back the 77000" and then you said "she paid it back to avoid an ethics investigation." I called you out and you simply post more gibberish instead backing up your claims. Now you say you are "subsidizing her private jets".
 
NonoBadDog said:
The same site provides flight history showing departures and arrivals. Here a link to one example:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N41669/history

Here is the link for McCaskill's aircraft with the info blocked.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight_event_history.rvt?ident=N5346M

It isn't provided to the public in any form if the owner requests that it be blocked by the FAA. It is provided to vendors but they are legally bound not to release the information except to the persons authorized by the owner. Usually that is done by logging onto the vendor website with a password and user name. Of course the vendor requires a fee from the owner to access the information on the vendor's site.
Aircraft Situation Display to Industry

I hope that is a coherent answer. It took me awhile to find the links with the appropriate info.
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Are take off and landings available from another source, like airports. Is the information of the location of a parked plane public information?

What needs to be established is not that a website is not allowed to publish her personal information, but that the locations thus travel of her plane are invisible to congress.
 
Vern said:
Ludin, you've posted things as fact that you've imagined and you continue to do so. You said "she had to pay back the 77000" and then you said "she paid it back to avoid an ethics investigation." I called you out and you simply post more gibberish instead backing up your claims. Now you say you are "subsidizing her private jets".
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So you can't actually respond to the discussion go figure.
I have backed up my claims you should try reading.

Her first plane she charged tax payers to fly it around. It got found out and she paid the money back.
She then sold that plane and now has a new one.

Do you have a reason as to why we the taxpayers should pay for her private plane if she starts to charge us for its use?
If you can't form some kind of logical answer to the question the. I am no going to respond because there is no reason to.

More than likely you will come up with the same tripe that you just did and not actually respond with anything.
 
I haven't read every post in this thread so I don't know if other government types have been mentioned.

I find it rather interesting that Fox News would publish this story about Senator McCaskill just a few days after a story came out about Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke's use of private planes and another one about EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt’s travel habits. In both cases the Inspector General of their respective agencies is taking a look at undeclared use of private planes.

Zinke Failed to Properly Document Use of Private Jets, Watchdog Says

EPA inspector general now investigating Pruitt’s use of military, private flights
 
ecofarm said:
Are take off and landings available from another source, like airports. Is the information of the location of a parked plane public information?

What needs to be established is not that a website is not allowed to publish her personal information, but that the locations thus travel of her plane are invisible to congress.
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Are take off and landings available from another source, like airports. Is the information of the location of a parked plane public information?
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Not if the owner requests from the FAA that the flight information be blocked.

The request blocks all information about the plane, except to vendors that are restricted from releasing the information without the owner's permission. This is to allow the owner to track their own airplane but nobody else through a flight tracking vendor. Congress would have to subpoena the FAA for that information. That would only be possible if there were an investigation of some type.

This is a link to the email from the management company to block public access to all tracking information for McCaskill's plane.
http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Blocking-Request-Email-_Redacted-1.pdf

Aero Charter is On-Demand operator DGCA175D with radiotelephony designator GLT (=Gaslight).
We request the following registrations and/or call signs be blocked at the ASDI level:
Aero Charter, Inc.
501 Turbine Ave.
Chesterfield, MO 63005
gcollins@aerocharter.com
N5346M, GLT534, GLT78
Blocking level desired: ASDI Vendor Level.
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A Congress person taking advantage of freebies. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you. The only pertinent part of this incident is to highlight who bought McCaskill; those plane rides really aren't "free".
 
Waddy said:
A Congress person taking advantage of freebies. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you. The only pertinent part of this incident is to highlight who bought McCaskill; those plane rides really aren't "free".
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True, the plane rides aren't free but unlike some other people in government, she owns the plane.
 
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