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Conyers stepping aside as ranking Dem on House Judiciary Committee

cpwill said:
Well, for Trump, nothing - he won, and they pretty much fell in line with a couple of notable exceptions (Sasse, Flake, etc.). For Moore? That's currently a bit of a different story; the RNC cut ties with him, the NRSC cut ties with him, Every Senator except for Rand Paul pulled their endorsement of him (Rand Paul was in the hospital with broken ribs at the time), and GOP leadership has threatened to expel Moore from the Senate if he wins.
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The GOP all condemned Trump in unison after the Access Hollywood tape came out. Jason Chaffetz, as you recall, said, "It is some of the most abhorrent and offensive comments that you can possibly imagine. My wife and I, we have a 15-year-old daughter, and if I can't look her in the eye and tell her these things, I can't endorse this person." Chaffetz then voted for Trump, and I can only assume that every family dinner since that election has been extraordinarily uncomfortable as he has yet to make eye contact with his daughter. As you said, "...for Trump, nothing - he won." Winning an election was the equivalent of a legal and moral acquittal, and I see no objective reason why this should be any different.

Obviously we'll have to reconvene on this issue, but I'm not moved by the claim that the GOP has condemned Moore when he's received the endorsement of the head of the Alabama government and the head of the Republican Party itself.
 
JANFU said:
Conyers stepping aside as ranking Dem on House Judiciary Committee | TheHill


The right move imho.
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Conyers did the right thing, but if the ethics investigation shows him to be a ***** grabber, he needs to go. I attack the crap out of Trump for his misogyny, but crap like this belongs to no political party. If one can say that there is bipartisanship in Congress, it's THIS. They all need to go. That includes Moore, Franken, Conyers, and yes, Trump too. I'll accept President Pence, but Trump is definitely not my president. And Conyers does not represent my values either. Despite all the people who constantly tell me that I am wasting my vote every election cycle, I am damn proud of my history of voting Libertarian. Republicans don't own me, and neither do Democrats. As far as I am concerned, they can all go jump in the lake.
 
Parrish said:
As I said, no one in the Senate has called for him to resign.

And now 45 is saying the Access Hollywood tape isn't authentic, after he apologized for his "grab 'em" audio. WTH?
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Great. I suppose arguments have already popped up on the debate forum that George Lucas created those tapes.
 
Cardinal said:
The GOP all condemned Trump in unison after the Access Hollywood tape came out. Jason Chaffetz, as you recall, said, "It is some of the most abhorrent and offensive comments that you can possibly imagine. My wife and I, we have a 15-year-old daughter, and if I can't look her in the eye and tell her these things, I can't endorse this person." Chaffetz then voted for Trump, and I can only assume that every family dinner since that election has been extraordinarily uncomfortable as he has yet to make eye contact with his daughter. As you said, "...for Trump, nothing - he won." Winning an election was the equivalent of a legal and moral acquittal, and I see no objective reason why this should be any different.
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:shrug: it was wrong when they did it, and it will be wrong when Democrats do it. One party's sins don't absolve the other's.

Obviously we'll have to reconvene on this issue, but I'm not moved by the claim that the GOP has condemned Moore when he's received the endorsement of the head of the Alabama government and the head of the Republican Party itself.
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Yeah, I'll take those two and raise you the entire GOP Senate lineup, minus the guy in the hospital with broken ribs, and the actual RNC.
 
Cardinal said:
Great. I suppose arguments have already popped up on the debate forum that George Lucas created those tapes.
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Damn, you didn't know? Roy Moore is Redneck Darth Vader. We need to stop him. Luke Duke is on the case, along with his sidekick, Chewin' Tobacca. They are going to use the HORSE to defeat this dreaded evil. Along with lots of hay, they are feeding their horses beans and beer. Then they will ride backwards into battle with cigarette lighters, and will ignite the greatest "shock and awe" ever witnessed in this, or any other, Universe.

May the Horse be with you.
 
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Cardinal said:
Great. I suppose arguments have already popped up on the debate forum that George Lucas created those tapes.
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Who knew our fellow members are part of the vast right wing conspiracy?
 
ludin said:
Actually they want Moore to step down and have already in place procedure not to seat him if he wins.
As for trump so far none of the accusations have turned out to be true.

They have either been thrown out of court or other witnesses to the event have countered the accusations.
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That's not true. The Senate will seat Moore even if it later makes a move to expel him.

As for Trump, you somehow got that even more wrong.

"Here’s a list of 13 women who have publicly come forward with claims that Trump had physically touched them inappropriately in some way, and the witnesses they provided. We did not include claims that were made only through Facebook posts or other social media, or in lawsuits that subsequently were withdrawn."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...tions-of-sexual-misconduct-the-complete-list/

You might want to know something before you post again.
 
Cardinal said:
Uh huh. So, tell me: what accountability has the GOP demanded of Trump and Moore, lately? What's that? I can't hear you. Oh, "None, whatsoever"? Interesting. How about that.
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Seriously ? Numerous GOP Politicians have called for Moore to step down, and so have I

No " investigation " needed, he needs to go.
As for Trump. Do you really think Hillary voters dont have a leg to stand ? I dont.
 
Oborosen said:
Stepping aside shows he is willing to stay with his party, but is dedicating his current time to the personal issue currently affecting him. Possibly the smartest move I have seen from a Dem representative in a long time.
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If anyone from either political party who acted sexually inappropriate refuses to resign, I hope the voters will punish them severely whenever their reelection times come.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
If anyone from either political party who acted sexually inappropriate refuses to resign, I hope the voters will punish them severely whenever their reelection times come.
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So there is now time to address these allegations and if he has been proven guilty, then he should step down.
 
Oborosen said:
So there is now time to address these allegations and if he has been proven guilty, then he should step down.
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I agree with that. Not just about Conyers but about all the scum who sexually abused, assaulted, or threatened other people.
 
Moderate Right said:
It's hilarious actually. The left is going after Moore who is not guilty of breaking any laws at all in favor of Franken staying in the Senate (he's going back ashamed), even when he actually broke laws, and Conyers (who is still going to be a Representative), who used taxpayer money to pay off sexual harassment claims.
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That is called holding all, regardless of party affiliation to the same standard. Something foreign to you.
 
danarhea said:
Conyers did the right thing, but if the ethics investigation shows him to be a ***** grabber, he needs to go. I attack the crap out of Trump for his misogyny, but crap like this belongs to no political party. If one can say that there is bipartisanship in Congress, it's THIS. They all need to go. That includes Moore, Franken, Conyers, and yes, Trump too. I'll accept President Pence, but Trump is definitely not my president. And Conyers does not represent my values either. Despite all the people who constantly tell me that I am wasting my vote every election cycle, I am damn proud of my history of voting Libertarian. Republicans don't own me, and neither do Democrats. As far as I am concerned, they can all go jump in the lake.
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Agreed. And make the report public. To much hiding of things, reason we are where we are now is due to hiding actions that are wrong.
 
Phys251 said:
As usual, the bar for personal behavior is higher for Democrats than for Republicans. Still, this is the right move, and Conyers should probably retire next year.
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Obviously! Remember Chappaquiddick? The bat for personal behavior among Democrats has always been much higher than that of mere folks. ;)
 
tres borrachos said:
Absolutely the right move.

I think the Congressman really needs to consider retirement at this point. He's had a noble career in the Congress, but he is far too elderly to be in such an important job. No, I'm not an age-ist. I'm a realist. At 88 years old your brain and your reflexes, and quite frankly, your energy level, have all suffered the effects of aging.
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In all probability he will. No idea how long an ethics investigation can run, but I am sure it can be delayed. Those on the Hill are experts at delaying.

Was reading an article on updating the law. It states that all settlements are confidential, and if from this case the law is updated with public accountability for all, including funds disbursed, to who and why, then they are making progress.

Then any member of Congress to public all funds disbursed, why, who, expenses, with detailed reasons why, no lumping and clumping, and such should all be included. In the end these are public funds, whether from Govt monies or campaign, still peoples monies.
 
tres borrachos said:
Absolutely the right move.

I think the Congressman really needs to consider retirement at this point. He's had a noble career in the Congress, but he is far too elderly to be in such an important job. No, I'm not an age-ist. I'm a realist. At 88 years old your brain and your reflexes, and quite frankly, your energy level, have all suffered the effects of aging.
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His energy level still seems robust.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
That's not true. The Senate will seat Moore even if it later makes a move to expel him.

As for Trump, you somehow got that even more wrong.

"Here’s a list of 13 women who have publicly come forward with claims that Trump had physically touched them inappropriately in some way, and the witnesses they provided. We did not include claims that were made only through Facebook posts or other social media, or in lawsuits that subsequently were withdrawn."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...tions-of-sexual-misconduct-the-complete-list/

You might want to know something before you post again.
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None of those claim are substantiated either. Given all the other claims that have fallen through there is no reason to believe that they are anymore correct.

There is no pattern unlike Cosby that he has done anything. So yes you might want to know something before posting.

I can claim that you are a pathological liar I guess that makes me right and you are.[this is more argument purposes only I am. Not flaming the poster in any way.]
You have no defense other than I am not.

Is is why I state claims are meaningless with out support and evidence.
They are nothing more than Salem witch trial tactics.
 
tres borrachos said:
Absolutely the right move.

I think the Congressman really needs to consider retirement at this point. He's had a noble career in the Congress, but he is far too elderly to be in such an important job. No, I'm not an age-ist. I'm a realist. At 88 years old your brain and your reflexes, and quite frankly, your energy level, have all suffered the effects of aging.
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Or he is just a dirty old man that wants to get some before he dies.
Viagra giving life to the old.

However he should at least ask first in a nice way such as.

Why hun how about some pizza and sex?

At least offer dinner.
I'll even get a 12 pack
 
joG said:
Obviously! Remember Chappaquiddick? The bat for personal behavior among Democrats has always been much higher than that of mere folks. ;)
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That 48 year old story is disgraceful. So is the present day embarrassment named Roy Moore.
 
ludin said:
None of those claim are substantiated either. Given all the other claims that have fallen through there is no reason to believe that they are anymore correct.

There is no pattern unlike Cosby that he has done anything. So yes you might want to know something before posting.

I can claim that you are a pathological liar I guess that makes me right and you are.[this is more argument purposes only I am. Not flaming the poster in any way.]
You have no defense other than I am not.

Is is why I state claims are meaningless with out support and evidence.
They are nothing more than Salem witch trial tactics.
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For both Moore and the current president, more evidence of wrongdoing exists than just accusations. About three dozen people besides the alleged victims corroborate Moore's inappropriate behavior and reputation during the timeframe in question. Moore and the president both incriminated themselves with their own recorded words.

No pattern? The patterns for both men are clearer than a stencil. Many women with no connection to each other describe the same or similar vile behavior.

I consider myself a fair minded person, but these mental contortions to defend the worst people among us are worse than misguided.
 
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