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A Split From Trump Indicates That Flynn Is Moving to Cooperate With Mueller

Verax said:
I think Mueller is absolutely going to be filing charges on Flynn.

Let's make a bet. Whoever loses has to put in their sig "I'm usually wrong about everything".

Deal?
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I guess this means that apdst didn't take your deal.
 
rocket88 said:
According to you, Clinton was obviously guilty. It still took longer than a little less than a year. Watergate also took longer than a year. So your assertion is just partisan wishfulness.
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She is. Comey said so. Then, he addes language to the law that didn't exist within the law to allow her to walk.
 
apdst said:
Comey rigged the investigation.
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And trump is obstructing muellers investigation. The only thing Comey rigged was trumps
Election so trump could win. Chew on that con.
 
apdst said:
If Mueller had anything, he would have already filed charges.
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Well if, like George Papadopoulos, they might plead guilty anyway, there's no reason to rush. Especially if there are bigger fish to fry...
 
exoplanet said:
Well if, like George Papadopoulos, they might plead guilty anyway, there's no reason to rush. Especially if there are bigger fish to fry...
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Or, they still don't have anything.
 
After seeing Papadopoulos' name being sealed as a "proactive cooperator" in Mueller's indictments, I though Flynn's recent long period of silence might mean he had flipped as well.

But this recent severing of lawyers (implying they were not severed until now), would seem to indicate Flynn hasn't flipped (yet).
 
Captain Adverse said:
It could also be an indication that they are preparing a case and feel that sharing information with the Administration might result in either leaks or acts which otherwise impair the defense.

Moreover, it could also be an attempt to keep the Administration from being tied to what probably is a case solely involving Flynn's misconduct.

Again, instead of speculating the worst (assumption bias again) better to let things play out and see. :coffeepap:
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Seeing as we have seen leaks come from the Whitehouse over the course of the last few months, this speculation is healthy at the very least.

We will just have to be patient at least.
 
apdst said:
Comey rigged the investigation.
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Wait, let me get this straight. Trump campaigns to chants of "lock her up", Trump fires Comey, and now charges can't be brought because of a previous Comey investigation? How does that even make sense?
 
exoplanet said:
Wait, let me get this straight. Trump campaigns to chants of "lock her up", Trump fires Comey, and now charges can't be brought because of a previous Comey investigation? How does that even make sense?
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Charges won't be brought against President Trump, because he didn't break the law.
 
Chomsky said:
After seeing Papadopoulos' name being sealed as a "proactive cooperator" in Mueller's indictments, I though Flynn's recent long period of silence might mean he had flipped as well.

But this recent severing of lawyers (implying they were not severed until now), would seem to indicate Flynn hasn't flipped (yet).
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What's interesting is why Trump hasn't given out pardons to Manafort, Gates, Flynn, and Flynn Jr, when he gave out a pardon to crooked Joe just for being a political ally. You'd think he'd go ahead and pardon them to avoid the risk, but he hasn't done that.

My guess is that the Trump WH knows that the case being built against Trump is an abuse of office/obstruction of justice charge. While it is within Trumps authority to issue them pardons, it will cost him all the political capital he has left, and would only make an even stronger case.

Thus, Flynn's lawyers have decided to cut tires in realization that Trump has no plans in pardoning him, so it's wise to look into cooperation with Mueller.
 
apdst said:
If Mueller had anything, he would have already filed charges.
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If you mean Flynn, he only would have charges if he refused to talk. The fact that no charges have been filed yet, coupled with today's news, does not bode well for Team Trump.

Otherwise, charges will only filed when strategic to do so OR not until the case is complete.

First, going through Trump's finances will take a team of accountants months to figure who owns what (and what other owners are involved, particularly the indirect "other owners"). Once the ownership, direct and beneficial, has been established, then there is all the money that has to be traced through the system. If the money is laundered money, it would have been done professionally (and dry cleaned), so it will take a team of experts to find, understand and document. Its time consuming.

Second, its very likely that Mueller has enough evidence to bring down most of the West Wing, but good prosecutor generally wants multiple paths to conviction; such an overwhelming case that their is little doubt. He needs nothing less in the political environment we have today. The case needs to make the jaws of the cast of Fox and Lovers drop to the floor.

apdst said:
Charges won't be brought against President Trump, because he didn't break the law.
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....and you know that how? Otherwise your arguments have moved into the emotional, wishful thinking zone. That is not debate.
 
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MovingPictures said:
What's interesting is why Trump hasn't given out pardons to Manafort, Gates, Flynn, and Flynn Jr, when he gave out a pardon to crooked Joe just for being a political ally. You'd think he'd go ahead and pardon them to avoid the risk, but he hasn't done that.

My guess is that the Trump WH knows that the case being built against Trump is an abuse of office/obstruction of justice charge. While it is within Trumps authority to issue them pardons, it will cost him all the political capital he has left, and would only make an even stronger case.

Thus, Flynn's lawyers have decided to cut tires in realization that Trump has no plans in pardoning him, so it's wise to look into cooperation with Mueller.
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...he may yet play that card, but.... as I posted earlier this week, once Trump announces that change, I think we will see Eric Schneiderman announced into the game.
 
upsideguy said:
If you mean Flynn, he only would have charges if he refused to talk. The fact that no charges have been filed yet, coupled with today's news, does not bode well for Team Trump.

Otherwise, charges will only filed when strategic to do so OR not until the case is complete.

First, going through Trump's finances will take a team of accountants months to figure who owns what (and what other owners are involved, particularly the indirect "other owners"). Once the ownership, direct and beneficial, has been established, then there is all the money that has to be traced through the system. If the money is laundered money, it would have been done professionally (and dry cleaned), so it will take a team of experts to find, understand and document. Its time consuming.

Second, its very likely that Mueller has enough evidence to bring down most of the West Wing, but good prosecutor generally wants multiple paths to conviction; such an overwhelming case that their is little doubt. He needs nothing less in the political environment we have today. The case needs to make the jaws of the cast of Fox and Lovers drop to the floor.



....and you know that how? Otherwise your arguments have moved into the emotional, wishful thinking zone. That is not debate.
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How? They flipped Popadopolous, indicted Manafort and Gates and they're breathing down Flynn's neck. After all that, they're no closer to charging President Trump than they were when they started.
 
Verax said:
I think Mueller is absolutely going to be filing charges on Flynn.

Let's make a bet. Whoever loses has to put in their sig "I'm usually wrong about everything".

Deal?
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I just started reading this thread. Please tell me he agreed. *nail biter*
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
I just started reading this thread. Please tell me he agreed. *nail biter*
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Here is an excellent post ref Trump. Also recall Flynn made a ton of money. So his fiances are after legal bill are in a shambles. He has the most to lose, his son may go to jail?? he is close to broke, if convicted, he can lose his Military pension. And he could be a goldmine for Mueller. With Trump from the beginning.
upsideguy said:
If you mean Flynn, he only would have charges if he refused to talk. The fact that no charges have been filed yet, coupled with today's news, does not bode well for Team Trump.

Otherwise, charges will only filed when strategic to do so OR not until the case is complete.

First, going through Trump's finances will take a team of accountants months to figure who owns what (and what other owners are involved, particularly the indirect "other owners"). Once the ownership, direct and beneficial, has been established, then there is all the money that has to be traced through the system. If the money is laundered money, it would have been done professionally (and dry cleaned), so it will take a team of experts to find, understand and document. Its time consuming.

Second, its very likely that Mueller has enough evidence to bring down most of the West Wing, but good prosecutor generally wants multiple paths to conviction; such an overwhelming case that their is little doubt. He needs nothing less in the political environment we have today. The case needs to make the jaws of the cast of Fox and Lovers drop to the floor.
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upsideguy said:
...he may yet play that card, but.... as I posted earlier this week, once Trump announces that change, I think we will see Eric Schneiderman announced into the game.
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With NY State charges? No pardon there.
 
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