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Ratko Mladić convicted of war crimes and genocide at UN tribunal

That just conveniently involved murdering tens of thousands of Bosnians and Croatians. Right.

The Serbs got their asses handed to them by NATO airstrikes led by the US....They paid a heavy price for heir murderous ways...They deserved it
 
There was no "payback". The innocent civilians Mladic and his cronies murdered had done nothing to anyone. Are you serious with this utter bullcrap right now?

Unfortunately for you, the people in the actual military don't agree with your assertation that it's "stupid" for war to have rules and laws. The "condemnation of Serbs being one sided"? What the actual ****! The Serbs were the ones committing the ****ing war crimes! How hard is this for you to understand?

World War One is utterly irrelevant to Serbian thugs murdering innocent civilians. A Croatian fascist group, whose leaders were all long dead by the 1990s, is irrelevant to the murder of innocent civilians, most of whom weren't Croats.

Yes, it's rather "rough" that Mladic and his cronies were prosecuted for committing crimes just as bad as many the Nazis committed in Yugoslavia.

And that's groovy.
Its not surprising that an SJW such as yourself, would use context in order to justify crapping all over Trump's comment that both sides in Charlotesville acted poorly, yet are perfectly willing to completely ignore context when it doesn't suite their purposes. People who engage in this sort of intellectual plankery are completely irrational, as you've so aptly demonstrated.

As I've said Tiger, I'm quite concerned for your mental state, and hope you'll seek help.
 
And that's groovy.
Its not surprising that an SJW such as yourself, would use context in order to justify crapping all over Trump's comment that both sides in Charlotesville acted poorly, yet are perfectly willing to completely ignore context when it doesn't suite their purposes. People who engage in this sort of intellectual plankery are completely irrational, as you've so aptly demonstrated.

As I've said Tiger, I'm quite concerned for your mental state, and hope you'll seek help.

Ah, the old "if you don't support the mass murder of innocent civilians, you are an SJW!" nonsense. Just like all your other flailing attempts to defend atrocities, it's based in utter bull****.

Except no, "both sides" did not act poorly. Only side conducted a terrorist attack and murdered innocent people. That was the Nazis, in case you forgot. Now, what exactly does that have to do with Mladic's crimes?

There is no "context". Mladic's thugs murdered thousands of noncombatants.

Like I said before, you and your fascist pals should crawl back under your rocks.
 
Ah, the old "if you don't support the mass murder of innocent civilians, you are an SJW!" nonsense. Just like all your other flailing attempts to defend atrocities, it's based in utter bull****.

Except no, "both sides" did not act poorly. Only side conducted a terrorist attack and murdered innocent people. That was the Nazis, in case you forgot. Now, what exactly does that have to do with Mladic's crimes?

There is no "context". Mladic's thugs murdered thousands of noncombatants.

Like I said before, you and your fascist pals should crawl back under your rocks.

Like I said...groovy.
However, its obvious that you are simply incapable of rational thought. History means nothing to you, unless it serves your warped purposes, and I frankly don't deal with intellectual planks as well as I'd like. I'm just not that "inclusive".
Thus, so that we can save the readers having to wade through this pissing contest you love so much, I'm going to bid you a fond farewell.
Enjoy life in the streets of Chicago, keep your head down, and seek professional help...please...for your sake.
 
Like I said...groovy.
However, its obvious that you are simply incapable of rational thought. History means nothing to you, unless it serves your warped purposes, and I frankly don't deal with intellectual planks as well as I'd like. I'm just not that "inclusive".
Thus, so that we can save the readers having to wade through this pissing contest you love so much, I'm going to bid you a fond farewell.
Enjoy life in the streets of Chicago, keep your head down, and seek professional help...please...for your sake.

I hate to burst your bubble buddy; I know plenty about history. And a Croatian fascist movement, whose leaders were long dead by the 1990s, does not justify the murder of thousands of innocent Bosnians. The total inability of you to comprehend the very simple concept that murdering innocent civilians is not a good thing is rather disgusting.
 
I would agree that the actions taken by the Serbs in places like Srebrenica were horrific. However the very idea of rules to war has always sounded stupid to me. I also find the condemnation and prosecution of these Serbs, rather a 1-sided affair. Its been conveniently forgotten that the Serbs fought along side the Allies in WWI, and that it was the "Ustaše" of the Croats, that brought the first wave of modern genocidal actions to Yugoslavia...against the Serbs, who were again, fighting with the Allies in WWII.

Mladic and other Serb military are still alive to be prosecuted by the very people he and his Serb compatriots fought with in both world wars. May I suggest that some of you actually learn about the history of Yugoslavia, so that while you're busy with your infernal justice signaling, you actually have some idea of what happened and why? If you do, you may just find yourself understanding that, while the actions of the Serb military was brutal and murderous, and while 2 "wrongs" do not make a "right", there were many "wrongs" being perpetrated and that payback is a bitch.

https://www.ricksteves.com/watch-read-listen/read/understanding-yugoslavia

The articles of war set forward by other countries, not just our own. Are one of the most divisive things to ever complicate the theater of war, as it is more or less too simple to breach more then one rule.

Though these people may have overstepped one or more acceptable boundaries that some of us have to come to believe in. They were fighting a war for their own survival and I don't really feel that they should be punished for that in turn. As this is nothing compared to the ethnic cleansing campaigns that can be found in places like Africa.
 
NY TIMES

ON MY MIND

April 15, 1997

Back From the Grave

By A.M. ROSENTHAL

In World War II, Hitler had no executioners more willing, no ally more passionate, than the Fascists of Croatia. They are returning, 50 years later, from what should have been their eternal grave, the defeat of Nazi Germany.

The Western allies who dug that grave with the bodies of their servicemen have the power to stop them, but do not.

Croatian Fascists, known as the Ustashe, fought alongside German troops against Serbs, Muslims and Croats trying desperately, and vainly, to block the Nazi conquest of Yugoslavia. In 1941 Hitler rewarded Croatian Fascists by carving out a Croatian state and letting them run it. They did not let him down.

The Ustashe slaughtered Serbs, Jews and non-Fascist Croats -- and with such glee and such cruelty that their name became a terror and stench throughout Europe.

Croatia disappeared with Hitler's annihilation in 1945. A half-century later the West created a new Croatia, by recognizing the secession from Yugoslavia of Croatian nationalists, led by one Franjo Tudjman.

Not all were Fascists, by any means, but now the Ustashe is running in elections, brutalizing its enemies -- Croat, Serb or Jew. Mr. Tudjman is giving them what they need most -- presence, and the rewriting of history.

Two documents are a short course on the Ustashe. To honor the murdered and protect the future, read them.

From pages 323-328 of the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust (Macmillan):

"More than a half million Serbs were killed, a quarter million expelled, 200,000 forced to convert to the Catholicism of the Croatian Fascists.

"Thousands were hurled from mountain tops, others were beaten to death, entire villages were burned down, women raped, people sent on death marches in the middle of winter, still others starved to death."

Jews? Ante Pavelic, the Ustashe leader, announced that the Jews would be "liquidated within a very short time." They were, most of the 40,000.

But some chosen as victims did survive. Study the picture of the children after the camps were freed. They wear only bones and tightened skin. Serbs? Jews?

The second document is a fine piece of journalism from Croatia by the New York Times correspondent Chris Hedges (April 12) about the rebirth of Fascism there -- the bullying, the sieg-ing and heil-ing in Croatian, the whole nastiness.

Most important is the increasing work of Mr. Tudjman -- a longtime Holocaust denier -- to recast the Fascists as patriots and founders of the new Croatia.

This man likes to talk about how he himself fought German soldiers. Now a major political, military and financial beneficiary of the West, he permits pictures of Fascists dead and alive to be plastered around the country. He gives special status and pensions to Ustashe veterans.

He tried to get the body of the killer-chief Pavelic returned from Spain, where he had fled, and buried with honor in Zagreb -- like reburying Himmler under the linden.

The family objected. So he brought back another Ustashe killer, this one alive, and made him a member of Parliament.

Western recognition of Mr. Tudjman's Croatia was pushed hardest by Germany despite warnings from Bosnian Muslims that the timing could set off war among themselves,Serbs and Croats.

Franjo Tudjman is now ours. The West cannot evade responsibility for the rebirth of Fascism in Croatia. Peter Galbraith, U.S. Ambassador to Croatia, told me he had denounced Croatian ethnic cleansing of Serbs last year, and considered the glorification of the Ustashe an insult to Croats who fought Nazis, and to American veterans of World War II.

Mr. Tudjman and his Fascist protégés brush off ambassadorial protest with insult. Would he brush off the Presidents of the U.S. and France, the British Prime Minister -- or the Chancellor of Germany -- if they took action to stop Croatian Fascism? Such as denouncing the Tudjman buildup of the Ustashe, then reducing Western representation to sub-ambassadorial and slashing economic help to Croatia -- the whole list?

That won't change the Ustashe or improve Mr. Tudjman's sickness of body and character. But it could force him to end Fascist rehabilitation work.

Or has the West become so sick itself that it will permit Croatian Fascism to live on beyond the grave?

END QUOTE
 
The articles of war set forward by other countries, not just our own. Are one of the most divisive things to ever complicate the theater of war, as it is more or less too simple to breach more then one rule.

Though these people may have overstepped one or more acceptable boundaries that some of us have to come to believe in. They were fighting a war for their own survival and I don't really feel that they should be punished for that in turn. As this is nothing compared to the ethnic cleansing campaigns that can be found in places like Africa.

Wow. Thousands of people were murdered in concentration camps and you call that 'possibly overstepping one or two boundaries, but not worthy of punishment'?

People were tortured. They had their eyes gouged out with broken bottles.

You're literally defending genocide. Congratulations.
 
Wow. Thousands of people were murdered in concentration camps and you call that 'possibly overstepping one or two boundaries, but not worthy of punishment'?

People were tortured. They had their eyes gouged out with broken bottles.

You're literally defending genocide. Congratulations.

Wow, nice hyperbole there. Even though I stated what they did and that it was wrong, I am still pointing out the horrible things that they have had to go through. My post was also on the articles of war, mudding up what other countries get to do when defending themselves.

Though I can see you really don't care about that and are just spewing the same regurgitated mess that people usually do.
 
Wow, nice hyperbole there. Even though I stated what they did and that it was wrong, I am still pointing out the horrible things that they have had to go through. My post was also on the articles of war, mudding up what other countries get to do when defending themselves.

Though I can see you really don't care about that and are just spewing the same regurgitated mess that people usually do.

No, what you said was that they may have overstepped one or two boundaries (talking about genocide) and that they shouldn't be punished for it.
 
No, what you said was that they may have overstepped one or two boundaries (talking about genocide) and that they shouldn't be punished for it.

They as a people.
Their leaders on the other hand that gave the order, are another thing entirely.
 
"The Ustashi, a band of Catholic fanatics, backed by the clergy, decided to eliminate all non-Catholics in Croatia.

Orthodox Serbs, Jews and Gypsies-men, women or children-were slaughtered in their thousands."

SPY IN THE VATICAN 1941-45 By Branko Bokun

Praeger Publishers Library of Congress # 72-93184

INTRODUCTION In April 1941, Yugoslavia was invaded by Germany and her allies.

With the surrender, a new State of Croatia was formed.

The Ustashi, a band of [Roman] Catholic fanatics, backed by the clergy, decided to eliminate all non-Catholics in Croatia.

Orthodox Serbs, Jews and Gypsies - men, women or children - were slaughtered in their thousands.
One morning, inside the Orthodox Church in the village of Glina, seven hundred Serbs were brutally massacred.

This diary begins in Belgrade in June 1941, when the author is sent to Rome, with a file containing evidence of the Catholic Church's responsibility for the Ustashi's Crimes.
The object of the mission was to persuade the Vatican to end the atrocities in Croatia. He describes his meetings with various members of the Vatican hierarchy,
which culminated in an audience with Pope Pius XII. He stayed in Rome for the rest of the war.

Rome, a city with a history of occupation and liberation, and the Vatican, a web of intrigue for centuries, were hotbeds of treachery and double-dealing during thc war.
The diary is a chronicle of wartime politicking as seen from below. From below it is possible to view the war as a tragi-comedy, a tragi-comedy in which fear plays the main part.

This tragi-comedy was particularly in evidence from 25 July to 8 September 1943, between the fall of Mussoiini and the capitulation of Italy.
This period of forty-five days is seen as a unique chapter in history, a chapter of grotesque chaos.
The Allies were playing parochial politics with the fate of Italy and Europe and the lives of millions, soldiers included.

-END QUOTE-
 
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