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Trump all but endorses Roy Moore

What about aexual preditors like Franken, Conyers and Clinton?

I don't know what aexual preditors are.

Do you?

Anyways, you do realize that you're derailing a thread by whining about Democrats about the "aexual preditions" of Democrats, right?
 
He should at the very least be investigated, which he is.

You DO realize that Franken’s misdeeds and Moore’s are not analogous, yes? An attempted kiss and simulated grope =/= attempting to diddle underage girls.

But... but.... Democraaaats.
 
Well of course he does... and he's using the same logic as that guy in my signature uses. Further proving my point of trump nation being a cult.

Trump all but endorses Roy Moore

"We don't need a liberal person in there, a Democrat, Jones. I've looked at his record. It's terrible on crime. It's terrible on the border. It's terrible on military," Trump said. "I can tell you for a fact we do not need somebody who's going to be bad on crime, bad on borders, bad for the military, bad for the Second Amendment."

"Well, he denies. I mean, he denies. I mean, Roy Moore denies it. And by the way, it is a total denial. And I do have to say 40 years is a long time. He's run eight races and this has never come up. Forty years is a long time," Trump said, pointing to the amount of time that has passed since the alleged behavior. "We believe Judge Moore," Moore campaign strategist Dean Young said. "We don't believe these women. It's just that simple. And y'all can keep trotting them out if you want to."​

Swear to God. Trump just doesn’t know when to STFU.
 
Swear to God. Trump just doesn’t know when to STFU.

Honest question: what is the consequence of not shutting up, exactly?
 
I can't decide if being aexually violated is scarier or less scary than being sexually violated.
 
This must be how Republicans are "showing him he has no future in the party" as zimmer put it.

That message is sure to come across right? There's no other possible meaning he could take from this.
 
The guy who thinks Nazis are good people is endorsing a child molester for U.S. Senate? Say it ain't so!
 
I can't decide if being aexually violated is scarier or less scary than being sexually violated.

I keep reading it as being "sexually molested," and I wonder when Morrissey got so aggressive....
 
Well of course he does... and he's using the same logic as that guy in my signature uses. Further proving my point of trump nation being a cult.

Trump all but endorses Roy Moore

"We don't need a liberal person in there, a Democrat, Jones. I've looked at his record. It's terrible on crime. It's terrible on the border. It's terrible on military," Trump said. "I can tell you for a fact we do not need somebody who's going to be bad on crime, bad on borders, bad for the military, bad for the Second Amendment."

"Well, he denies. I mean, he denies. I mean, Roy Moore denies it. And by the way, it is a total denial. And I do have to say 40 years is a long time. He's run eight races and this has never come up. Forty years is a long time," Trump said, pointing to the amount of time that has passed since the alleged behavior. "We believe Judge Moore," Moore campaign strategist Dean Young said. "We don't believe these women. It's just that simple. And y'all can keep trotting them out if you want to."​

I don't think any sitting president of a different party would endorse a senate candidate of another party. I began following politics in 1956 and I can't remember or find out where that ever happened. No matter the circumstances. To expect Trump to endorse Moore's rival is going a bit too far. I do however think Trump should have asked Moore to step down. I don't know anything about Alabama's election laws, if Moore stepped down at this late date whether or not the GOP could replace him or would have to rely on a write in campaign.

Now I am always think ahead. If Jones happens to win in December that would make the senate 51-49 GOP. Considering the Democrats have 25 senators up for re-election vs. 8 for the Republicans one would normally think the GOP would gain four or five seats. That may not be the case. You can check my November forecasts for further details. Arizona and Nevada, two of the eight could easily switch and go Democratic. If and it is at this point in time, a huge if. If the Democrats accomplish that and retain all their 25 seats that would give them the senate. Something unthinkable in normal times. But with Trump as president, times aren't normal.

Democratic seats at risk, Indiana, Missouri and to a somewhat lesser extent North Dakota, Ohio and perhaps Florida is Governor Scott runs on the Republican side. The rest of the Democratic seats looks fairly safe today. But the midterms are a year away. So who knows? Alabama could very well be the key to who controls the senate beginning in 2019.

Looking at the house, there are 38 and counting Republican House seats at risk of switching vs. only 9 for the Democrats. The Democrats need a net gain of 24 seats to take control of the house which is looking pretty good as of today. There are at the moment 20 Republicans who chose not to run for re-election and that number is climbing. It is much more easy to win an open seat than beat an incumbent.

As for Trump coming about as close as one can to endorsing Moore that should have been expected. If Moore loses, that certainly could effect the balance of power in the senate. If Franken resigns, the Democrats lose nothing. The Democratic governor of Minnesota just appoints another Democrat. That is a lot easier of a call on the Democrats part than Moore is on the Republican side.

What I'm interested in if Moore wins, what will McConnell and other Republican senators do with Moore? Seat him or not? Interesting times these are.
 
It really shows you how rotten to the core American conservatism has become. Decades of dishonest right-wing media (Fox, Rush, Hannity, Tucker, etc.) have convinced these people that Democrats are, to a man, so irredeemably evil that a man who by numerous accounts is pretty pervy with teenage girls, and who as a judge proudly defied multiple court orders, is the superior choice to even a middle-of-the-road Blue Dog like Jones.

Oh, and the Democrats are “racist.” :lamo

Historically..yeah.

"Every segregation law in the South was passed by a Democratic legislature, signed into power by a Democratic governor,
and enforced by Democratic sheriffs and Democratic city and state officials.
Most anti-miscegenation laws were passed in Democratic states. Progressives passed the racist Immigration Law of 1924 and celebrated it as a victory of
progressive science and progressive planning. The Ku Klux Klan was a creation of the Democrats and served for thirty years, in the words of
progressive scholar Eric Foner, as “the domestic terrorist arm of the Democratic Party.”-Dinesh Desouza--The Big Lie

The times change and the masks change color but song remains the same...

"So the big lie here involves Whitman and Katznelson shifting the blame
from the real culprits—the progressives and the Democrats—to a generic
“South” and an even more generic “America.” In doing this, they hope for
two outcomes. First, they hope that conservatives will fall for this ploy and
rush to the defense of the South and America. This would then make
conservatives the apologists for racism, segregation, and racial terrorism.
Sure enough, my former AEI colleague Josh Muravchik deplores
Whitman’s attempt to trace Nazi policies to American policies. Muravchik
doesn’t deny the Nazis appealed to American examples. Rather, he asks,
what’s the big deal? In other words, what difference did it make? He writes,
“Suppose for a moment the Nazis found no inspiration in American
examples. Would there have been no Nuremberg laws? Had there been no
American model, would one fewer Jew have died at Hitler’s hand?”8
Muravchik makes a good point. My answer to his questions is that the
Nuremberg Laws may have looked somewhat different, but the venom
against the Jews and other target populations would have continued unabated.
No one is saying the Nazis learned how to hate Jews from American
examples of racism, or that America motivated the Nazis to kill more Jews.
The point, rather, is that the Nazis figured out a way to institutionalize their
anti-Semitism using a legal precedent that already existed across the Atlantic.
In this respect, established racism in this country helped to establish racism in
that one.
Alas, for all Muravchik’s ingenuity, he has been trapped into a
minimization of racism in a vain attempt to exonerate America. He is going
just where Whitman and Katznelson hoped he would go. What he should be
doing, instead, is showing that “America” didn’t do any of this—the
Democrats did. Unwittingly Muravchik ends up covering up for the racism of
the Democratic Party, and letting the Left off the hook.
Practitioners of the big lie, like Whitman and Nelson, have a second
objective. Incredibly, this is the objective of turning the villains of their story
into its heroes. By clearing the Democrats and the progressives of blame,
they intend to pave the way for these same Democrats to offer themselves as
the solution for racism. As the big lie unfolds, somehow the very people who
have poisoned the water reappear dressed as the water commissioner."-Dinesh Desouza--The Big Lie

What a scam.
 
lol Dinesh D'Souza

Why do conservatives insist on living a half-century ago, before the monumental shift in party alignments? Or, better yet, pretend such a shift never occurred?
 
You do understand I believe that the current DNC platform is harmful for the country, right? That statement cannot ring true if you're thinking supporting Moore over Jones means putting the country last in the name of the party. Throughout my life I've voted for independents, GOP, and DNC candidates. Currently I am wholly disgusted by the DNC and recognize their platform as harmful to the US. This is why I cannot vote for one at this time.

Yawn. You're voting for an utterly corrupt man for a lawmaker, he's a likely child molester, who has a history of utter disdain for the law and spitting on it.

And yet you delude yourself into believing a Democrat with a history of prosecuting the KKK would be the worse choice.

Your mindset it what's harmful to the US.
 
The guy who thinks Nazis are good people is endorsing a child molester for U.S. Senate? Say it ain't so!

This is your Republican party people....congrats, the bar keeps getting lower.
 
You do understand I believe that the current DNC platform is harmful for the country, right? That statement cannot ring true if you're thinking supporting Moore over Jones means putting the country last in the name of the party. Throughout my life I've voted for independents, GOP, and DNC candidates. Currently I am wholly disgusted by the DNC and recognize their platform as harmful to the US. This is why I cannot vote for one at this time.

The GOPlatform produced by Manafort supports Putin's drive to resurrect the Soviet Union ...
 
This is your Republican party people....congrats, the bar keeps getting lower.

Democrats Win in every scenario with moore/trump/bannon. Unless Democrats don't hit 2018 GOP candidates early and often, connecting them to this terrible trio.

DEMs went soft on kamikaze Kruz and the GOP House of No after the 2013 shutdown, while allowing GOPs to destroy them with the ACA rollout and got smeared in the 2014 elections ...
 
Christian Pastor: Roy Moore Likes Teen Girls Because They?re Pure

Christian Pastor: Roy Moore Likes Teen Girls Because They’re Pure
November 21, 2017 by Michael Stone

Christian Pastor Flip Benham justifies Roy Moore’s pursuit of a 14-year-old girl by claiming “there is something about the purity of a young woman.”

Benham, a vicious, anti-gay conservative Christian, and one of Moore’s most vocal defenders, tried to defend the indefensible by suggesting that it was acceptable for Roy Moore to pursue young teen girls when he was a much older man.

In his bizarre defense of a child molester, Benham said Moore’s sexual assault and harassment of young teen girls was justified because all the older “ladies” were taken after the war in Viet Nam, and Moore always sought out the permission of the parents of the young teen girls he was trying to date:

I think that, number one, you need to understand, 40 years ago, what the Sitz im Leben was like in Alabama. Judge Roy Moore graduated from West Point and then went on into the service, served in Vietnam and then came back and was in law school. All of the ladies, or many of the ladies that he possibly could have married were not available then, they were already married, maybe, somewhere.

So he looked in a different direction and always with the [permission of the] parents of younger ladies … He did that because there is something about a purity of a young woman, there is something that is good, that’s true, that’s straight and he looked for that.
 
Well of course he does... and he's using the same logic as that guy in my signature uses. Further proving my point of trump nation being a cult.

Trump all but endorses Roy Moore

"We don't need a liberal person in there, a Democrat, Jones. I've looked at his record. It's terrible on crime. It's terrible on the border. It's terrible on military," Trump said. "I can tell you for a fact we do not need somebody who's going to be bad on crime, bad on borders, bad for the military, bad for the Second Amendment."

"Well, he denies. I mean, he denies. I mean, Roy Moore denies it. And by the way, it is a total denial. And I do have to say 40 years is a long time. He's run eight races and this has never come up. Forty years is a long time," Trump said, pointing to the amount of time that has passed since the alleged behavior. "We believe Judge Moore," Moore campaign strategist Dean Young said. "We don't believe these women. It's just that simple. And y'all can keep trotting them out if you want to."​

Agree with Trump. Moore claims innocence. A Democrat in that seat is far worse for the country, without a doubt.
 
Agree with Trump. Moore claims innocence. A Democrat in that seat is far worse for the country, without a doubt.

So party trumps principle..even with a child molester.

You own it.
 
Agree with Trump. Moore claims innocence. A Democrat in that seat is far worse for the country, without a doubt.

Why are you advocating one-party rule? I can only assume that if a Democrat in THAT seat is far worse for the country, without a doubt, then a Democrat in ANY seat is far worse for the country, without a doubt.
 
Why are you advocating one-party rule? I can only assume that if a Democrat in THAT seat is far worse for the country, without a doubt, then a Democrat in ANY seat is far worse for the country, without a doubt.

Yes, most Democrats have proven to be bad for the country. But don't worry, plenty of the Republicans are bad for the country too.
 
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