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F.C.C. Announces Plan to Repeal Net Neutrality

AlbqOwl said:
Actually it was inspired by perceived threats of technology that made Sputnik possible and that led to development of Arpanet as the first system to network computers. And the internet evolved from that once the private sector figured out commercial uses for such technology. Just as we have benefited from many wonderful products and innovations that evolved from the space program.

But the fact the the idea or concept originated in government does not extrapolate to it is only government that comes up with ideas or innovations. And it is not at all the same thing as government regulation of what the private sector creates and innovates.
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You could have shortened it to just... the government built the internet.

No, the private sector and commercialization did not drive the evolution of the internet. Academics and the desire to freely exchange information is what built the platform the money whores set up shop on. The closest thing to private sector innovation in the early days was porn.

Btw, the same people that dreamed, designed, and built the internet, the world wide web, and most of the technologies we use today; unequivocally support net neutrality.
 
Just for background on the atmosphere behind the removal of neutrality, Trump's WH are inviting tenders for an algorithm that will seek out a visa-holder's social media history. (Strictly in the name of security, you understand!) How long before it's road-tested on the foreigners, then the FBI starts using it on suspects...
 
AlbqOwl said:
We will just have to agree to disagree on that. The internet as become the most innovative and valuable new technology offered to humankind since the telephone. It exploded onto the world scene and has grown so broadly with new innovations offered almost every day. I simply don't see a plus side for the government that almost never gets anything right getting involved in that.
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It has been enforced since 2010 and it has only helped. I don't understand how allowing ISPs to play favourites will help anyone.
 
Verax said:
You could have shortened it to just... the government built the internet.

No, the private sector and commercialization did not drive the evolution of the internet. Academics and the desire to freely exchange information is what built the platform the money whores set up shop on. The closest thing to private sector innovation in the early days was porn.

Btw, the same people that dreamed, designed, and built the internet, the world wide web, and most of the technologies we use today; unequivocally support net neutrality.
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The government did not build the internet. The Defense Dept. came up with the concept but they sure can't take credit for most of it. And if you think commercial motives were not a big part of all that, well, you are just wrong.
 
AlbqOwl said:
The government did not build the internet. The Defense Dept. came up with the concept but they sure can't take credit for most of it. And if you think commercial motives were not a big part of all that, well, you are just wrong.
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The internet works on layer 3 also known as packet switching. That is what was developed at ARPANET as was tcp/ip. Does the internet not work that way? I'm pretty sure it does being that I'm a network engineer.

The other pillar of the internet as we know it is the world wide web which was created by an academic who was interested in free exchange of information, not making money. That is the modern foundation of the internet.

It had absolutely nothing to do with commercialization, that came later.
 
Kal'Stang said:
This is imo one of many perfect examples of why we should not have the FCC, EPA and other regulatory agencies in place. This is the kind of things that the Congress and Senate should be deciding on. Not government agencies that are not answerable to The People. It would be fine if all these agencies did was scientific studies which reported results of such studies to the Congress/Senate. But they also make regulations. Which is supposed to be the job of Congress/Senate. That is why they are considered the "Legislative Branch" of our government. They're supposed to legislate. Not pass the buck off to someone else so that they can have less reasons to be called accountable for things that The People do not want.
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These agencies exist specifically because Congress can't be arsed to hold a vote on every random ass rule regarding aviation reserve fuel requirements, height of guard rails on scaffolding, and pressure testing of new compressed gas cylinder designs.
 
Deuce said:
These agencies exist specifically because Congress can't be arsed to hold a vote on every random ass rule regarding aviation reserve fuel requirements, height of guard rails on scaffolding, and pressure testing of new compressed gas cylinder designs.
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Then let it be handled locally. Again, the federal government does not have to make every single regulation in existence....and doesn't.
 
worksforpigs said:
Sad how many times liberals claim these things are in our interests but never follow through with an argument. Insult and leave. Then you wonder why you're ignored.
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Says the one who didn't actually make any argument against net neutrality...
 
Kal'Stang said:
Then let it be handled locally. Again, the federal government does not have to make every single regulation in existence....and doesn't.
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As a guy who flies planes I'm going to have to object to having eight different sets of rules apply to me during a single flight.
 
worksforpigs said:
Deflection isn't a defense of Net Neutrality. You're the proponent.
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If you cannot provide even the slightest reason to repeal net neutrality... exactly why should I support repealing it? You want to change a law or regulation, give a reason.
 
Verax said:
The internet works on layer 3 also known as packet switching. That is what was developed at ARPANET as was tcp/ip. Does the internet not work that way? I'm pretty sure it does being that I'm a network engineer.

The other pillar of the internet as we know it is the world wide web which was created by an academic who was interested in free exchange of information, not making money. That is the modern foundation of the internet.

It had absolutely nothing to do with commercialization, that came later.
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It was purely commercialization that made the internet a household word for ordinary people like me and millions of others.
 
Deuce said:
If you cannot provide even the slightest reason to repeal net neutrality... exactly why should I support repealing it? You want to change a law or regulation, give a reason.
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What did ISPs and Tier 1 providers used to do before net neutrality was passed? I see all of the "Here is your future internet plans; aka the sky is falling" pictures people are posting but I don't seem to recall that ever being in place.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Thats the problem with group thinking, someone exploits the group and we get to read it on here. I find it interesting to see a message put out by Trumps camp, then watch it take over the minds of his followers like a virus. Then no matter what you say to them they will not listen since they cannot think for themselves anymore. Any argument to them comes from the enemy who Trump has made clear they should never agree with or listen too. Trumps control over his followers is alarming, its like a cult.
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OR some of us just don't care if it's going to cost more to stream bad movies and shows on Netflix. Internet access is not a right, it's a luxury. Have to pay more for it? Too bad, so sad.
 
Deuce said:
As a guy who flies planes I'm going to have to object to having eight different sets of rules apply to me during a single flight.
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Truckers don't like it either. Yet they still have to go through different rules going cross country.
 
Samhain said:
What did ISPs and Tier 1 providers used to do before net neutrality was passed? I see all of the "Here is your future internet plans; aka the sky is falling" pictures people are posting but I don't seem to recall that ever being in place.
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They did things like throttle FaceTime so you'd sign up for their service. Or block a union website during a labor dispute. Block a pro life website for being "controversial."
 
Deuce said:
They did things like throttle FaceTime so you'd sign up for their service. Or block a union website during a labor dispute. Block a pro life website for being "controversial."
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I was only able to find an article related to your first example, and it indicated that AT&T blocked facetime entirely because it was degrading overall service. Throttling a customers total line is fine with or without net neutrality.

Should any network provider(Tier 1 down to local ISPs) ever mitigate the overall service capabilities or would that violate net neutrality?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
The ISPs will not choose to make more money because...?

Where these protections are not, the web is being divided up into packages.
If your small business isn't in your potential customer's package, your potential customer will face additional barriers to access your website.

What is it that will prevent our ISPs from following similar strategies in their efforts to increase their revenue?
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Competition. Removing the Obama era rules will foster competition. That people will have an alternative to Comcast is what protects the internet.
 
Cardinal said:
Whoever doesn't have a choice because the only one or two providers in town can do what they want.
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The entire purpose of the FCC's proposed rule change is not only to give people more choices but to give people who don't even have access to broadband a path to the 21st Century. Keeping the rules in place only benefits the current big players.
 
iguanaman said:
So you will give up the internet? You will not have any other choice.
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I have something like 8 internet service provider choices currently. Once the rules go back to the way they were, I will have more.
 
Groogrux said:
OR some of us just don't care if it's going to cost more to stream bad movies and shows on Netflix. Internet access is not a right, it's a luxury. Have to pay more for it? Too bad, so sad.
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That would be just your opinion. Which I dont really give a **** about. What I do give a **** about is liberty, freedom and Constitutional rights. Things that are probably beyond your comprehension.
 
backpacker said:
I have something like 8 internet service provider choices currently. Once the rules go back to the way they were, I will have more.
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You are having some misinformation. It will have nothing to do with the internet service provider choices you have. It strictly has to do with the ISP's giving priority over their own content at the expense of what you really want.
 
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