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Federal judge blocks Trump’s executive order on denying funding to sanctuary cities

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Federal judge blocks Trump’s executive order on denying funding to sanctuary cities


By Eli Rosenberg
WaPo
November 21, 2017

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A federal judge issued an injunction to permanently block President Trump’s executive order to deny funding to cities that refused to cooperate with federal immigration officials, after finding the order unconstitutional. The ruling by District Judge William H. Orrick in San Francisco comes in response to a lawsuit filed by the city of San Francisco and nearby Santa Clara County and follows a temporary halt on the order that the judge issued in April. Orrick, in his summary of the case Monday, found that the Trump administration’s efforts to move local officials to cooperate with its efforts to deport undocumented immigrants violated the separation of powers doctrine as well as the Fifth and Tenth amendments. “The Constitution vests the spending powers in Congress, not the President, so the Executive Order cannot constitutionally place new conditions on federal funds. Further, the Tenth Amendment requires that conditions on federal funds be unambiguous and timely made; that they bear some relation to the funds at issue; and that they not be unduly coercive,” the judge wrote. “Federal funding that bears no meaningful relationship to immigration enforcement cannot be threatened merely because a jurisdiction chooses an immigration enforcement strategy of which the President disapproves.” San Francisco City Attorney Dennis Herrera described Orrick’s decision as a victory for the “rule of law.” “No one is above the law, including the president.

President Trump might be able to tweet whatever comes to mind, but he can’t grant himself new authority because he feels like it,” he said in a statement. “This case is a check on the president’s abuse of power, which is exactly what the framers of the Constitution had in mind.” As other judges did when assessing the travel ban, Orrick took into account the statements of the president, as well as those of Attorney General Jeff Sessions and others in the administration, to assess its intent and purpose. “And if there was doubt about the scope of the Executive Order, the President and Attorney General erased it with their public comments,” Orrick wrote. “The President has called it ‘a weapon’ to use against jurisdictions that disagree with his preferred policies of immigration enforcement, and his press secretary reiterated that the President intends to ensure that ‘counties and other institutions that remain sanctuary cities don’t get federal government funding in compliance with the executive order.’ ” Heidi Li Feldman, a professor of law at Georgetown University, called the judge’s ruling a “recognition of the lawlessness” of the order. “What is amazing about this is the thoroughness with which he dismisses the executive order,” she said. “The major ways in which an executive action can fail to be constitutional are all included in this suit, and Orrick is accepting the argument that literally every way the executive branch could violate the Constitution with regard to municipalities, this administration has.”

Once again, Trumps obnoxious tweets boomerang to kick his sanctuary-city-policy in the backside.

Related: Judge rules Trump's sanctuary city order unconstitutional
 
I imagine it will be reviewed by SCOTUS; And if so, the percentages of 9th Circuit rulings overturned by SCOTUS does not favor the Sanctuary Cities suing the current administration.
 
I imagine it will be reviewed by SCOTUS; And if so, the percentages of 9th Circuit rulings overturned by SCOTUS does not favor the Sanctuary Cities suing the current administration.
Only half true. The percentage is only high if you look at cases overturned vs cases seen by SCOTUS instead of cases overturned vs cases terminated by 9th circuit.

The first calculation gives you close to 80%, the second is less than 1. And even that is a complex figure because of the nature of most of the cases that end up in SCOTUS. They mostly see difficult or controversial cases with tons of potential for error or bias, so it's pretty natural that cases that are apparently strong enough for at least 4 of them to agree to see it have a high chance of being corrected.
 
Only half true. The percentage is only high if you look at cases overturned vs cases seen by SCOTUS instead of cases overturned vs cases terminated by 9th circuit.

The first calculation gives you close to 80%, the second is less than 1. And even that is a complex figure because of the nature of most of the cases that end up in SCOTUS. They mostly see difficult or controversial cases with tons of potential for error or bias, so it's pretty natural that cases that are apparently strong enough for at least 4 of them to agree to see it have a high chance of being corrected.

Yes, I am aware of this......and the odds still do not favor those suing.

Vegas odds are better......just one more reason I refuse to gamble.
 
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He is a federal district judge in 9th circuit. But not the appeals court. We all know the 9th circuit court of appeals. The most overruled circuit in the federal system.

Orrick gave about $30,000 to committees supporting Obama in the 2008 presidential campaign.
He also help raise about $200,000 in contributions for the Obama campaign.

Judge has also raised money for other democratic candidates in the past.

He worked for the Justice Dept and was involved when they sued the state of Arizona over their immigration law.

My belief is his ruling will eventually be overturned.
 
Federal judge blocks Trump’s executive order on denying funding to sanctuary cities




Once again, Trumps obnoxious tweets boomerang to kick his sanctuary-city-policy in the backside.

Related: Judge rules Trump's sanctuary city order unconstitutional

Obama had eight years of stuffing the courts with liberal judges. The tide is turning. It's fairly common for these liberal judges to rule and then lose on appeal to higher courts. This is just yet one more case of winning the battle and eventually losing the war. Enjoy the decision while you can.
 
The anarchist judge has no place in our courts of law.
 
More leftist judge shopping. It's become akin to buying clothes at this point.
 
If these are funds that are allocated to the states by law, then they should not be withheld. If they are discretionary funds by law, then the administration gets to decide.
 
Federal judge blocks Trump’s executive order on denying funding to sanctuary cities




Once again, Trumps obnoxious tweets boomerang to kick his sanctuary-city-policy in the backside.

Related: Judge rules Trump's sanctuary city order unconstitutional

These judges don't care what illegal rulings they make. They're literally saying **** The Constitution.

The Feds don't owe this money to those cities, therefore the Feds can cut them off at any time they want.
 
I don’t understand objections in this discussion to the decision as described. Congress could make providing the funds contingent upon localities cooperation with immigration officials and that might work. Or they could pass legislation amending each provision to that effect. King Donald doesn’t get to decide here. Or am I missing something? What is the legal rationale for allowing the president to do this?
 
Yes, I am aware of this......and the odds still do not favor those suing.

Vegas odds are better......just one more reason I refuse to gamble.

LOL, but you're rigging the odds by assuming SCOTUS takes the case. They're two steps (it has to go through CA9 first) from that, and the district court outlines FOUR different tests the order failed, so it was a pretty resounding HELL NO ruling....

And if we could bet I'd place one against Trump Admin winning this on appeal to SCOTUS or anywhere else. Trump's lawyers didn't even attempt to argue that the order was constitutional, but rather that the cities and counties had no standing to sue because none had yet been declared sanctuary cities.
 
I don’t understand objections in this discussion to the decision as described. Congress could make providing the funds contingent upon localities cooperation with immigration officials and that might work. Or they could pass legislation amending each provision to that effect. King Donald doesn’t get to decide here. Or am I missing something? What is the legal rationale for allowing the president to do this?

From what I understand, that's exactly right.

And the administration hasn't even put forth a legal argument as to their rationale for allowing Trump to amend spending bills and add new, vague conditions after the fact.
 
He is a federal district judge in 9th circuit. But not the appeals court. We all know the 9th circuit court of appeals. The most overruled circuit in the federal system.

Orrick gave about $30,000 to committees supporting Obama in the 2008 presidential campaign.
He also help raise about $200,000 in contributions for the Obama campaign.

Judge has also raised money for other democratic candidates in the past.

He worked for the Justice Dept and was involved when they sued the state of Arizona over their immigration law.

My belief is his ruling will eventually be overturned.

Him allegedly supporting democrats isn't actually an argument about the merits of his decision. What do you think he got wrong, from a legal standpoint? Here's the relevant part of the order:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3678229/Federal-judge-s-sanctuary-cities-ruling.pdf

(a) In furtherance of this policy, the Attorney General and the
Secretary, in their discretion and to the extent consistent with law,
shall ensure that jurisdictions that willfully refuse to comply with 8
U.S.C. 1373 (sanctuary jurisdictions) are not eligible to receive
Federal grants
, except as deemed necessary for law enforcement
purposes by the Attorney General or the Secretary. The Secretary
has the authority to designate, in his discretion and to the extent
consistent with law, a jurisdiction as a sanctuary jurisdiction.

Since when does the constitution give Sessions the unilateral "discretion," with no hearings and no outlined opportunity for appeals, to designate a locality as an undefined "sanctuary jurisdiction" and to therefore strip funding from cities, unless the law explicitly provides him with that discretion?

And what in the Constitution gives Trump the right to place NEW conditions on federal grants not approved by Congress? Could he say, "Cities that vote Democrat [sic] are ineligible for grants?" If not, why not if Trump can declare them ineligible for funds unrelated to immigration policy - just make up conditions because he's unhappy with what that city decides to do?
 
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Obama had eight years of stuffing the courts with liberal judges. The tide is turning. It's fairly common for these liberal judges to rule and then lose on appeal to higher courts. This is just yet one more case of winning the battle and eventually losing the war. Enjoy the decision while you can.

To what part of the liberal judge's opinion do you object? Can you be specific?

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3678229/Federal-judge-s-sanctuary-cities-ruling.pdf
 
If these are funds that are allocated to the states by law, then they should not be withheld. If they are discretionary funds by law, then the administration gets to decide.

That's possible, but the Administration cannot withhold funds based on arbitrary criteria.

You're arguing the equivalent that the POTUS can legally, say, only spend transportation money in red states and let blue state highways go to ruin, and direct the various departments through an executive order that the purpose is to punish his political enemies. That's clearly not constitutionally allowed.
 
These judges don't care what illegal rulings they make. They're literally saying **** The Constitution.

The Feds don't owe this money to those cities, therefore the Feds can cut them off at any time they want.

The law and the constitution say otherwise... :roll:

What seems obvious is none of us, no matter our political affiliations, should support giving POTUS that kind of power to arbitrarily punish his political enemies.
 
That's possible, but the Administration cannot withhold funds based on arbitrary criteria.

You're arguing the equivalent that the POTUS can legally, say, only spend transportation money in red states and let blue state highways go to ruin, and direct the various departments through an executive order that the purpose is to punish his political enemies. That's clearly not constitutionally allowed.

Since I never said anything like what you said, so I'll not attempt to argue your point that you are attempting to have me make. It is boring for me, and you already know the result.
 
Since I never said anything like what you said, so I'll not attempt to argue your point that you are attempting to have me make. It is boring for me, and you already know the result.

OK, I'll put it more simply. The administration does NOT get to decide based on the criteria outlined in the executive order, which makes the order unconstitutional and properly slapped down. :shrug:

The district court outlined four ways the order went astray. If you disagree with the court's decision, you should explain what part or parts the judge got wrong.
 
The law and the constitution say otherwise... :roll:

What seems obvious is none of us, no matter our political affiliations, should support giving POTUS that kind of power to arbitrarily punish his political enemies.

Show us where they say that.

If a city segregated it's schools by race, should that city lose any Federal funding that it receives?
 
OK, I'll put it more simply. The administration does NOT get to decide based on the criteria outlined in the executive order, which makes the order unconstitutional and properly slapped down. :shrug:

The district court outlined four ways the order went astray. If you disagree with the court's decision, you should explain what part or parts the judge got wrong.

Since I haven't done the research into the appropriations and any earmarks governing the funds, I can't say anything more than what I wrote, which stands as a valid statement/observation.
 
Him allegedly supporting democrats isn't actually an argument about the merits of his decision. What do you think he got wrong, from a legal standpoint? Here's the relevant part of the order:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3678229/Federal-judge-s-sanctuary-cities-ruling.pdf



Since when does the constitution give Sessions the unilateral "discretion," with no hearings and no outlined opportunity for appeals, to designate a locality as an undefined "sanctuary jurisdiction" and to therefore strip funding from cities, unless the law explicitly provides him with that discretion?

And what in the Constitution gives Trump the right to place NEW conditions on federal grants not approved by Congress? Could he say, "Cities that vote Democrat [sic] are ineligible for grants?" If not, why not if Trump can declare them ineligible for funds unrelated to immigration policy - just make up conditions because he's unhappy with what that city decides to do?

It calls in to question his ability to rule fairly when he donated $30,000 to the Obama campaign. The Obama administration supported sanctuary cities. And the judge was involved in suing the state of Arizona while working for the Obama administration Justice Dept. Two giants conflicts? This will be appealed and I think his order will be permanently stayed.
 
Show us where they say that.

If a city segregated it's schools by race, should that city lose any Federal funding that it receives?

It's not a matter of "should" or not, but whether the POTUS has the authority to do it. The short answer is, HELL NO, the POTUS cannot create new conditions for federal grants not contained in the law authorizing the grants. Congress has the power to spend and it's Congress that places restrictions on spending. POTUS through his agencies is given discretion in many cases, but he cannot create arbitrary criteria not in the law, and deny all grants based on any damn thing he wants.

And, again, why would you favor such a system?

As to "where they say that" - the the court outlined this in detail. If you have an objection to the ruling, be specific about what part you think the judge got wrong.
 
LOL, but you're rigging the odds by assuming SCOTUS takes the case. They're two steps (it has to go through CA9 first) from that, and the district court outlines FOUR different tests the order failed, so it was a pretty resounding HELL NO ruling....

And if we could bet I'd place one against Trump Admin winning this on appeal to SCOTUS or anywhere else. Trump's lawyers didn't even attempt to argue that the order was constitutional, but rather that the cities and counties had no standing to sue because none had yet been declared sanctuary cities.

Go ahead and place your money and bet on this ruling being left to stand if you like.
 
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