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Report: Rep. John Conyers settled complaint over sexual conduct

Captain Adverse said:
The corrected quote added "or political gain." That addresses the point you raise.

The closer to the time of the crime, the greater the likelihood of clear and convincing evidence being available. The longer it takes to report, the more likely for evidence to disappear or grow stale.

It also becomes an opportunity for those with some other axe to grind to pop up with separate but "corroborating" types of accusations.

As people keep arguing in these various sexual misconduct of officials threads, the people who speak up now are getting fame, sympathy, and increasing belief because "numbers" matter.

Five ("5") women have come forward...but only one has alleged actual sexual assault. The rest allege "coming on to them making them feel uncomfortable."

Yet there is a crap-storm of reactions in the court of public opinion.

This is my concern. Allegations equating to guilt, which leads to a public demand the accused prove they didn't do anything.

Seems reasonable except that it while it is fairly easy to prove something did happen...it is very, very hard to prove it did not happen.
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I agree. :thumbs:

Allegations without the follow through of a trial in my opinion are a witch hunt. Witch hunts should have ended with the introduction of our Constitution and the Bill of Rights. It is pathetic the mockery the media has made of our rights and freedom. It is even more sad and pathetic how many people approve of such a travesty to our rights and freedom if it furthers their agenda.
 
RAMOSS said:
Yes, and guess what.. there are a lot more Trump accusers than Franken accusers, and with a lot more credibility. For one, none of them worked for a news organization, or had witnesses saying that the photo supplied as truth was a joke and the person in the photo was in on the joke and was an active participant in it.

I say it speaks a lot about the quality of people who voted for trump.
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As far as credibility when was the trial. With all this evidence and accusers surely Trump should be running this country from prison.

The person working for the news who waited how many years to speak up? She clearly knew the power of the media and should have been the first to speak out at the time it happened. I consider her the least credible. What about the witness on the plane who said nothing happened? No trial equates to a witch hunt for me.

Until at least a trial is started that tells me there is no evidence or so little it is a not worthy of a trial. But it still makes billions for our corrupt media who does not need evidence to express an opinion that the uniformed believe to be fact. The fact remains condemning anyone without facts and a trial is a witch hunt. I do not support witch hunts.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
This is probably going to be something that condemns Representatives of both parties
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Until that actally happens, its ludicrous for people to continue to pretend to care about the allegations against Roy Moore. They are nothing more than a politically driven witch hunt.

You simply cannot have ignored the actions of a known sexual predator for 4 decades, voted for the woman that covered the crimes of the predator for 4 decades, ignore the ongoing sexual charges against current seated democrats, an expect to have any credibility when you demand the ouster of a president or to block the election of a candidate based on allegations towards a current candidate.
 
RAMOSS said:
Yes, and guess what.. there are a lot more Trump accusers than Franken accusers, and with a lot more credibility. For one, none of them worked for a news organization, or had witnesses saying that the photo supplied as truth was a joke and the person in the photo was in on the joke and was an active participant in it.

I say it speaks a lot about the quality of people who voted for trump.
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Is that so? Well Franken agreed with his accuser, so I guess she had all the credibility in world.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
As far as credibility when was the trial. With all this evidence and accusers surely Trump should be running this country from prison. .....I do not support witch hunts.
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Isn't it funny that one celebrity after another, and one studio exec after another, went down through allegations as Hollywood took a stand; but the moment Roy Moore was accused, the Virgin Mary was invoked to accompany the phrase "witch hunt?" Charlie Rose just got fired from CBS. Even the Pixar founder just took a leave of absence due to his activity. Democrats are getting put up against the wall for their past behavior. But when it comes to the Republicans, Conservatives everywhere would rather insulate and protect their politicians from those who dare accuse them? All of a sudden a trial matters? It's all just a "witch hunt?" Worse, it appears that it is the liberals in Hollywood and in politics who appear to have more integrity about their behavior than these Republicans who simply deny and obviously evade. And it is this denial and evasion that allow Conservatives to dismiss the accusations and coverage as mere "witch hunts."
 
MSgt said:
Isn't it funny that one celebrity after another, and one studio exec after another, went down through allegations as Hollywood took a stand; but the moment Roy Moore was accused, the Virgin Mary was invoked to accompany the phrase "witch hunt?" Charlie Rose just got fired from CBS. Even the Pixar founder just took a leave of absence due to his activity. Democrats are getting put up against the wall for their past behavior. But when it comes to the Republicans, Conservatives everywhere would rather insulate and protect their politicians from those who dare accuse them? All of a sudden a trial matters? It's all just a "witch hunt?" Worse, it appears that it is the liberals in Hollywood and in politics who appear to have more integrity about their behavior than these Republicans who simply deny and obviously evade. And it is this denial and evasion that allow Conservatives to dismiss the accusations and coverage as mere "witch hunts."
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I do not support criminal behavior. I also do not support the witch hunts by our media. If when they either admit guilt or are tried and convicted they are presumed innocent by me. Sorry if I do not immediately grab my torch and pitchfork every time someone yells witch.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I do not support criminal behavior. I also do not support the witch hunts by our media. If when they either admit guilt or are tried and convicted they are presumed innocent by me. Sorry if I do not immediately grab my torch and pitchfork every time someone yells witch.
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Well, 8 female accusations later, one of his associates defending him by invoking God's lust for teenagers, and a local population that has declared their knowledge of his behavior might be a sign that this obtuse shtick to protect our little tribe has run its course. Even Republicans in the Senate have voiced for him to walk away. People who run for office with an obvious lack of integrity to own himself doesn't deserve your allegiance. Perhaps it is time to cut the leash.

But like I stated, with Hollywood cracking the whip, CBS dumping Charlie Rose, and even Fox News cutting O'Reilly loose without a trial, we appear to be a society that only cares about integrity when it comes to our celebrities.
 
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Buzz62 said:
Errr...sex in the workplace can be exciting. Just sayin'...:cool:
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Exciting and acceptable are two different standards; and i think it's different when you try to have sex with a subordinate. That's not okay to do when you have that authority over someone.
 
MSgt said:
Isn't it funny that one celebrity after another, and one studio exec after another, went down through allegations as Hollywood took a stand; but the moment Roy Moore was accused, the Virgin Mary was invoked to accompany the phrase "witch hunt?" Charlie Rose just got fired from CBS. Even the Pixar founder just took a leave of absence due to his activity. Democrats are getting put up against the wall for their past behavior. But when it comes to the Republicans, Conservatives everywhere would rather insulate and protect their politicians from those who dare accuse them? All of a sudden a trial matters? It's all just a "witch hunt?" Worse, it appears that it is the liberals in Hollywood and in politics who appear to have more integrity about their behavior than these Republicans who simply deny and obviously evade. And it is this denial and evasion that allow Conservatives to dismiss the accusations and coverage as mere "witch hunts."
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Just because the democrats feel trampling someone's rights is OK does not mean I will grab my torch and pitchfork and join in. Handle accusations according to our constitution and judicial system not mob rule or media justice. The last time I checked, the Constitution said ‘of the people, by the people and for the people.’ Not of the media, by the media, and for the media. I cannot support a party that condemns a man without his day in court. I guess that is why I cannot support the democrats at this time.
 
Absentglare said:
Exciting and acceptable are two different standards; and i think it's different when you try to have sex with a subordinate. That's not okay to do when you have that authority over someone.
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Confucius say, “Don't get your meat where you get your bread!”
 
MSgt said:
Well, 8 female accusations later, one of his associates defending him by invoking God's lust for teenagers, and a local population that has declared their knowledge of his behavior might be a sign that this obtuse shtick to protect our little tribe has run its course. Even Republicans in the Senate have voiced for him to walk away. People who run for office with an obvious lack of integrity to own himself doesn't deserve your allegiance. Perhaps it is time to cut the leash.

But like I stated, with Hollywood cracking the whip, CBS dumping Charlie Rose, and even Fox News cutting O'Reilly loose without a trial, we appear to be a society that only cares about integrity when it comes to our celebrities.
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No we have become a society that has abandoned the right of the people.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Just because the democrats feel trampling someone's rights is OK does not mean I will grab my torch and pitchfork and join in. Handle accusations according to our constitution and judicial system not mob rule or media justice. The last time I checked, the Constitution said ‘of the people, by the people and for the people.’ Not of the media, by the media, and for the media. I cannot support a party that condemns a man without his day in court. I guess that is why I cannot support the democrats at this time.
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Nice sentiment, but that was the Gettysburg Address, not the Constitution.
 
Absentglare said:
Exciting and acceptable are two different standards; and i think it's different when you try to have sex with a subordinate. That's not okay to do when you have that authority over someone.
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Even when she throws herself at you?
 
Buzz62 said:
Even when she throws herself at you?
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That could make it even worse: they might be trying to set you up for extortion.

I recognize that mutual attraction can be irresistible, but i strictly adhere to my own personal code of conduct.
 
Absentglare said:
That could make it even worse: they might be trying to set you up for extortion.

I recognize that mutual attraction can be irresistible, but i strictly adhere to my own personal code of conduct.
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I was a you dumb and full of it. We do learn and mellow with age.
And I still think this whole 3rd wave of feminism is dangerous. I'm all for arresting rapists and the like, but some of this accusation-game has gotten silly.
 
Buzz62 said:
I was a you dumb and full of it. We do learn and mellow with age.
And I still think this whole 3rd wave of feminism is dangerous. I'm all for arresting rapists and the like, but some of this accusation-game has gotten silly.
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We must pursue justice. Things do get taken too far, that is a wholly legitimate concern.

At the end of the day, you're free to your opinion, as i am free to mine.
 
Absentglare said:
We must pursue justice. Things do get taken too far, that is a wholly legitimate concern.

At the end of the day, you're free to your opinion, as i am free to mine.
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Of course, of course. But I'm trying to square this all with myself, and something is stopping me.
"Justice".
Is it "justice" to hold this public blood-letting in the kangaroo court of public opinion?
Is it "justice" to destroy peoples' lives, when no actual charges have or even will be laid?

Is it "wise" to teach the males of our society that sexual relations can easily become a nightmare?
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Nice sentiment, but that was the Gettysburg Address, not the Constitution.
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Good Catch.
I meant We the People. I was in a rush. There have been a lot great statements by the great leaders of this country. We could use a great leader today. We have had too many puppets for too long.

It is a nice statement and one I believe in as well as the constitution. It is too bad our justice system does not treat people equally like it should but I will still support it over witch hunts and mob rule.
 
Buzz62 said:
Of course, of course. But I'm trying to square this all with myself, and something is stopping me.
"Justice".
Is it "justice" to hold this public blood-letting in the kangaroo court of public opinion?
Is it "justice" to destroy peoples' lives, when no actual charges have or even will be laid?

Is it "wise" to teach the males of our society that sexual relations can easily become a nightmare?
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Legal repercussions have a high burden of proof. Public opinion has no such restriction.

There are several laws that deal with the dissemination of information that guides public opinion. For example, there are laws against libel and slander, which are written or spoken lies. There are also laws against filing a false police report. Those laws cover those who wrongfully lose blood to the court of public opinion.

In addition, there is a law against the public disclosure of private facts offensive to a reasonable person which are not of legitimate public concern. So even when people lose blood over true allegations, they may have legal recourse.

Lastly, i find it very wise to try to prepare young men to navigate the bizarre obstacle course presented by pursuing a mate.
 
upsideguy said:
Only after Trump resigns and Moore drops out, as their actions are far more reprehensible.
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Franken should not resign and neither should Trump. Conyers probably should since his bad behavior took place while he was an elected official.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
No we have become a society that has abandoned the right of the people.
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Sure, that's what conservatives all of a sudden care about. Didn't need a trial to see the obvious when it came to Bill Clinton. Dam sure didn't care about a trial when it came to the never-ending crusade over exaggerating anything about Benghazi.

Now, we have a retired police officer declaring that the police were told to keep Roy Moore away from High School cheerleaders. But you need that trial, right?
 
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upsideguy said:
Only after Trump resigns and Moore drops out, as their actions are far more reprehensible.
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That's the joke. Why should they resign? Their voters and fans prove that their behaviors are perfectly acceptable to them. And when Franken is up for re-election, his voters will prove something too.
 
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