Charlie Rose accused by 8 women

Buzz62 said:

I'm a male?

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What are you trying to say? Use your words.

MateoMtnClimber said:

What are you trying to say? Use your words.

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I'll provide you with a picture.

The taller one would be me. The shorter would be one of my twin boys.
I WANT lots of grandchildren. But that ain'a'gonna happen if the lads are scared to come on to girls.

Buzz62 said:

I'll provide you with a picture.

The taller one would be me. The shorter would be one of my twin boys.
I WANT lots of grandchildren. But that ain'a'gonna happen if the lads are scared to come on to girls.

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Effeminate men can come on to women. Men who are not effeminate can come on to women too.

None of them may force themselves upon a woman without her consent. It's really simple.

MateoMtnClimber said:

Effeminate men can come on to women. Men who are not effeminate can come on to women too.

None of them may force themselves upon a woman without her consent. It's really simple.

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No nobody can force themselves on another. That's assault.
But this whole "movement" smells like an assault on masculinity.
As if society is telling men, that women can and will **** you up if you touch them...even with their consent, and at any time in the future.
I'm not gonna get any grand-puppies to spoil.

MateoMtnClimber said:

That's part of what I'm saying. It's a cultural problem. People need to learn and practice impulse control. We also need to get rid of the concept that "boys will be boys" and not excuse bad behavior at any age.

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I haven't heard that concept being touting, even when I was a child. I think the last time I even noticed it, was in an old rerun of leaving to beaver.

So either your living in the past, of the town you're in never grew out of the 1950s.

The people who do these things are either sick in the head, or they have had power for a large portion of their lives and believe they can get away with it. "Boys will be boys" has no impact on this whatsoever.

Oborosen said:

I haven't heard that concept being touting, even when I was a child. I think the last time I even noticed it, was in an old rerun of leaving to beaver.

So either your living in the past, of the town you're in never grew out of the 1950s.

The people who do these things are either sick in the head, or they have had power for a large portion of their lives and believe they can get away with it. "Boys will be boys" has no impact on this whatsoever.

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Well, that's your opinion. Spend five minutes in a frat house (today, not in the 1950s) and then tell me that "boys will be boys" does not contribute to a problem where men act sexually inappropriately toward women.

MateoMtnClimber said:

Well, that's your opinion. Spend five minutes in a frat house (today, not in the 1950s) and then tell me that "boys will be boys" does not contribute to a problem where men act sexually inappropriately toward women.

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Been through college and lived in the frat house. I personally know its not a problem.

Two other frats on campus, with no problems accept for one claim of sexual assault in late winter and that one was revealed to be her trying to get revenge on him after they broke up.

So forgive me if the only experience I've even remotely got with sexual assault, was a complete lie.

Oborosen said:

Been through college and lived in the frat house. I personally know its not a problem.

Two other frats on campus, with no problems accept for one claim of sexual assault in late winter and that one was revealed to be her trying to get revenge on him after they broke up.

So forgive me if the only experience I've even remotely got with sexual assault, was a complete lie.

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You had three frats and no one ever misbehaved? Congratulations!

We have three dozen frats and train our brothers quarterly because they are prone to make mistakes.

MateoMtnClimber said:

You had three frats and no one ever misbehaved? Congratulations!

We have three dozen frats and train our brothers quarterly because they are prone to make mistakes.

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As humans tend to make mistakes, yes.

Oborosen said:

As humans tend to make mistakes, yes.

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Do you have a point? Mine is that people shouldn't touch other people who don't give consent to being touched.

We're getting lots of stories on this sexual harassment, they are each quite different. Weinstein's misdeeds apparently were ongoing and went on for decades, seem to involve coercion, Rose's were similar and as contemporary. Moore's decried conduct doesn't involve coercion, but there's this age difference, which is likely an element in the Weinstein and Rose cases since these are old guys, but we don't know Moore is still at it and it could be that the Moore claims are politically motivated. Then there's the Franken cases, less coercion, but apparently more unconsensual.

All of this is unacceptable, but some is worse, dating a teenager when you're twice her age is problematic, but doesn't seem as bad as grabbing a woman's breasts as she sleeps and getting your picture taken for fun, forcing a woman to sit on your lap as a condition to get a job is worse than trolling the mall leering at jailbait thirty years ago.

Apparently this sort of misconduct is much more common than we knew, it makes me wonder whether there are any competent women who don't owe their jobs to some degrading conduct.

MateoMtnClimber said:

Do you have a point? Mine is that people shouldn't touch other people who don't give consent to being touched.

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Which is something that normal people don't do.
Save for social affairs as in hand shakes, hugging, kissing on the cheek and so on.

I feel deceived, I've been told women are just as competent as men, but it turns out lots of women got where they are professionally by submitting to sexual advances. The scale of this abuse suggests this is widespread, endemic, prevalent. I knew it could happen, suspected it sometimes did, but now I presume it always does.

Plus Ultra said:

We're getting lots of stories on this sexual harassment, they are each quite different. Weinstein's misdeeds apparently were ongoing and went on for decades, seem to involve coercion, Rose's were similar and as contemporary. Moore's decried conduct doesn't involve coercion, but there's this age difference, which is likely an element in the Weinstein and Rose cases since these are old guys, but we don't know Moore is still at it and it could be that the Moore claims are politically motivated. Then there's the Franken cases, less coercion, but apparently more unconsensual.

All of this is unacceptable, but some is worse, dating a teenager when you're twice her age is problematic, but doesn't seem as bad as grabbing a woman's breasts as she sleeps and getting your picture taken for fun, forcing a woman to sit on your lap as a condition to get a job is worse than trolling the mall leering at jailbait thirty years ago.

Apparently this sort of misconduct is much more common than we knew, it makes me wonder whether there are any competent women who don't owe their jobs to some degrading conduct.

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Well one, Franken didn't grab anybody's breasts: he was being stupid, but restrained. Secondly, molesting teenage girls like Moore did is a completely different thing and the fact that Trump and other Republicans and their votes are supporting Moore says a great deal about the Republican mindset and what lows they'll stoop to to win.

There are lots of women who would punch guys like that in the teeth and therefore made in on their own strengths.

In alphabetical order from https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-all-men-accused-sexual-misconduct/884778001/
Actor and director Ben Aflec, technology fund manager at Fidelity Investments Gavin Baker, chef John Besh, former president George Bush, actor and comedian Louis C.K., Backstreet Boys singer Nick Carter, congressman John Conyers, actor and comedian Andy Dick, actor Richard Dreyfuss, former president and publisher of The New Republic magazine Hamilton Fish, senator and former comedian Al Franken, International Olympic Committee member Alex Gilady, film producer and writer Gary Goddard, manager, producer and co-CEO of Primary Wave Entertainment David Guillod, MSNBC political analyst Mark Halperin, Oscar-winning actor Dustin Hoffman, former South African soccer association president Danny Jordaan, founding partner of venture capital firm DFJ Steve Jurvetson, songwriter and producer Ethan Kath, creator of CW superhero series Andrew Kreisberg, chief creative officer of both Pixar and Walt Disney's Animation Studios John Lassetter, Jennifer Lopez’s manager Benny Medina, screenwriter Murray Miller, senate candidate Roy Moore, senior vice president for news at National Public Radio Michael Oreskes, actor Jeremy Piven, former Amazon Studios programming chief Roy Price, movie producer Brett Ratner, Twiggy Ramirez, the former bassist and guitarist of the band Marilyn Manson, fashion photographer Terry Richardson, longtime TV journalist Charlie Rose, comedy festival organizer Gilbert Rozon, animator and writer Chris Savino, screenwriter Mark Schwahn, tech consultant and blogger Robert Scoble, actor and producer Steven Seagal, music mogul Russell Simmons, actor Tom Sizemore, actor Kevin Spacey, actor-director Sylvester Stallone, actor and social activist George Takei, actor Jeffrey Tambor, New York Times reporter Glenn Thrush, screenwriter and film director James Toback, film producers Bob and Harvey Weinstein, producer Matthew Weiner, actor Ed Westwick, former New Republic editor Leon Wieseltier, and of course president Trump, and former president Clinton.

I get the impression men in the entertainment industry are rather abusive, probably this goes on in other sectors, but since they aren’t celebrities it doesn’t get the coverage. It is troubling that so much of this happens in an industry notorious for its liberalism, how many of these people have decried the Republican “war on women” and denounced Trump’s alleged misogynism?

Ronan Farrow’s explosive exposé on Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein’s decades of rampant sexual misconduct (everything from basic sexism, to predatory behavior and accusations of rape) has created a firestorm among feminists and thrown a substantial new log on the already raging fire known as the War on Women. When actress Rose McGowan had the audacity to be an outspoken woman on Twitter and called out Weinstein (as well as Ben Affleck) for their roles in Hollywood misogyny, Twitter suspended her account. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...-escalating-fight_us_59e4f1b5e4b003f928d5e8d9

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Hadn’t figured the fascination of millennials (Twitter) to be some sort of censoring advocate for sexism, this must be a mistake.

It’s important to remember allegations against Weinstein have nothing to do with party politics, where allegations against President Donald Trump dominated and continue to dominate the national political dialogue because the way our president and elected representatives view women affects us all. But where Weinstein is concerned, revelations against the influential Hollywood producer speak to an issue that transcends politics -that is, whether or not we as a society trust and respect women. And as dismal as this may sound, the dark reality is that we continually fail to. There’s no shortage of people and historical traditions to blame for this, but the decades-long Republican war on women is one starting point.

There are a lot of reasons that women who experience sexual harassment and assault don’t come forward. A crucial one is that despite the exhaustiveness of the reporting process, many cases often go dismissed or are swept under the rug. This is exponentially more likely when the assailant is male, wealthy and powerful. Weinstein and Trump may not be united by party, but they are united by the extent to which male privilege (in a society built on the social and political disenfranchisement of women) has allowed them to act without consequences. You Do Uterus: The Republican War on Women helped make Harvey Weinstein | Daily Trojan

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So then we get a bunch of liberals denouncing Trump and other deplorables for enabling the predations of a bunch of liberals.

Winchester said:

We're going to need a new subforum before this is over.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...e-450pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.300a7d57a1a7



Other links in case you don't have access to the WaPo one.

Charlie Rose sexual harassment - Business Insider

Charlie Rose Accused By 8 Women Of ‘Unwanted Sexual Advances’: Report | Deadline

I'm no longer surprised by any of this. It's got to be rampant in these types of industries.

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They oughta start giving out awards to shame perverts in journalism. Rose should get the "shriveled hog" award for subjecting women to the pathetic image of his wrinkled little wee wee.