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2nd woman accuses Sen. Al Franken of inappropriate touching

Please, politicians like Franken take thousands of pictures with constituents every year. This was at the state fair, with thousands of people around including her husband who was taking the picture. I struggle to believe this was anything more than inadvertant.
If it happened at all. The idea that Franken, who isn't an athletic or big guy, would do that in front of a woman's husband and nobody does anything for years smells like BS.
 
Lets discuss the strongest case with trump actually assaulting someone.


I don't have a dog in this fight. so let the chips fall where they may.


I require evidence tho.

You've seen and heard the evidence for over a year. You've read and heard the accusations by the women, and you heard Trump's own words a million times since the Access Hollywood tape came out. And in response you made the conscious decision to hand-wave all of it away. As I said, you're in denial.

We have sexual predators in our camp, and you have sexual predators in your camp. Grow up and accept it like an adult.
 
Everyday...Blue State America stands against trump and the goons that surround him....The Goal:...Bring him down.....We will never accept that idiot as President



yes, we know you are a keyboard commando. you stand, (or sit) and fight with nonsense, lies, and mouth foaming over a democratically elected president. Your butt hurt has turned into the longest tantrum in us history.
 
Its a question of endorsement of conduct.

No, it isn't. It's a question of understanding that people who are familiar with each other and do not have power over one another are welcome to have fun and joke around in ways that wouldn't be appropriate between strangers or in a working dynamic where one has power over the other.
 
You've seen and heard the evidence for over a year. You've read and heard the accusations by the women, and you heard Trump's own words a million times since the Access Hollywood tape came out. And in response you made the conscious decision to hand-wave all of it away. As I said, you're in denial.

We have sexual predators in our camp, and you have sexual predators in your camp. Grow up and accept it like an adult.



Which one? why cant you even argue the merits of one of the accusations?


(is it because you know it will fall apart?)


I think so,
 
You know what I find strange about this story? It isn't that I find the behavior hard to believe but that a woman getting her picture taken with Franken by her HUSBAND while Franken squeezes her butt cheek and didn't say anything to her husband while it was happening. The picture should not have been of her posing with Franken but rather her slapping Franken in the face.

Terry Crews got sexually abused in front of his wife, he never fought back, but did file charges the next day, ladies take note.
 
yes, we know you are a keyboard commando. you stand, (or sit) and fight with nonsense, lies, and mouth foaming over a democratically elected president. Your butt hurt has turned into the longest tantrum in us history.

So says the "Libertarian" trump lover
 
No, it isn't. It's a question of understanding that people who are familiar with each other and do not have power over one another are welcome to have fun and joke around in ways that wouldn't be appropriate between strangers or in a working dynamic where one has power over the other.
For you it is a question of mindlessly defending all things rat and mindlessly and zealously attacking all things GOP. You are a partisan. There is zero value in talking to you about anything. That is evidenced in this thread and any other you post in.
 
If it happened at all. The idea that Franken, who isn't an athletic or big guy, would do that in front of a woman's husband and nobody does anything for years smells like BS.


I'm not going to accuse the woman of lying. I don't think that's acceptable. If she says he touched her ass then I believe her. After all she's likely a fan of the guy, otherwise, she wouldn't have gotten her picture taken with him. No reason for her to tear him down if it didn't happen at all, but given the situation, I'd say it's likely a misunderstanding. Franken can definately be a bit awkward at times. Creepy even, but I struggle to believe there was ill intent here.
 
I'm not going to accuse the woman of lying. I don't think that's acceptable. If she says he touched her ass then I believe her. After all she's likely a fan of the guy, otherwise, she wouldn't have gotten her picture taken with him. No reason for her to tear him down if it didn't happen at all, but given the situation, I'd say it's likely a misunderstanding. Franken can definately be a bit awkward at times. Creepy even, but I struggle to believe there was ill intent here.

If Franken resigns he'll be replaced by another Democrat...All that matters is defeating trump and his goons....
 
It's not my job to report the News. I let reporters do that, but since you're likely getting all your information from garbage right-wing sources that won't report these inconvenient truths, I'll direct you to the ones that do.


You are wrong. None of them have been discredited at all.



The evidence has been put forward. If you'd like to go down the line and make excuses or accuse all 12 of them of lying you're welcome to try.




I accept your concession. you are simply repeating nonsense the proven liars at CNN are putting forth and without trying to figure out if they are telling the truth or not, take them at face value.


The lack of intellectual curiosity is troubling.
 
Which one? why cant you even argue the merits of one of the accusations?


(is it because you know it will fall apart?)


I think so,

It's because you've seen and heard it all. It's been splashed across the internet five billion times, and you've hand waved it away every single one of those times (I know, that's a lot of hand waving). If I reposted all of it again (and I can, it's really not a big deal), you'd hand wave it away for the five-billion-and-first time. And you'll do it because you're in denial.

We have sexual predators in our camp, and you have sexual predators in your camp. Grow up and accept it like an adult.
 
It's because you've seen and heard it all. It's been splashed across the internet five billion times, and you've hand waved it away every single one of those times (I know, that's a lot of hand waving). If I reposted all of it again (and I can, it's really not a big deal), you'd hand wave it away for the five-billion-and-first time. And you'll do it because you're in denial.

We have sexual predators in our camp, and you have sexual predators in your camp. Grow up and accept it like an adult.




Who are the sexual predators in my camp? My camp is the libertarian camp.


1. Moore is a scumbag
2. franken is a scumbag


I'm willing to be convinced about trump. the problem is, the stories fall apart under scrutiny. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise, but you all just regurgitate proven liars.
 
If Franken resigns he'll be replaced by another Democrat...All that matters is defeating trump and his goons....
I don't advocate removing a very decent, intelligent and thoughtful Senator because it is convenient and politically correct -- even if it means not losing his vote. The allegations made against Franken are minor at best. The first woman accuser was photographed grabbing men's asses and consensual kissing Franken. The second one could be any misunderstanding.

It reminds me of when a colleague and I were waiting for an elevator and I was telling him how much money we were about to make. His response -- just as the elevator was opening and a great looking woman emerged was "beautiful. She looked at him with daggers, thinking he was referring to her.
 
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Don't love trump. I've posted a dozen issues, actual issues I disagree with him on. I didn't vote for him.


kick anyone in the face yet?

Sure you don't...You "Libertarian" types are the worst.....With your conspiracy theory's and Anti-Government Bull****
 
"In other words, if we set this precedent in the interest of demonstrating our party’s solidarity with harassed and abused women, we’re only going to drain the swamp of people who, however flawed, still regularly vote to protect women’s rights and freedoms. The legislative branch will remain chockablock with old, white Republican men who regard women chiefly as sex objects and unpaid housekeepers, and we’ll show them how staunchly Democrats oppose their misogynistic attitudes by handing them more power.

Isn’t that hypocritical? I hear you asking, Because Republicans won’t do the right thing, we shouldn’t, either? But if the short-term “right thing” leads to long-term political catastrophe for American women, I think we need to reconsider our definition of the right thing. I am in no way suggesting that we decline to hold Franken accountable for his offenses — only that we think in terms of consequences that might actually improve women’s lives going forward."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-al-franken-to-resign/?utm_term=.e4c6a9583fc7

Feign outrage if you need to...but...keep rat politicians in office.
 
For you it is a question of mindlessly defending all things rat and mindlessly and zealously attacking all things GOP. You are a partisan.
Then why Am I saying Harvey Weinstein, Louis C.K., and Anthony Weiner got exactly what they deserve? All those guys heavily support Democrats. You are the partisan who seems to want to attack Franken, while ignoring Moore and Trump.

There is zero value in talking to you about anything. That is evidenced in this thread and any other you post in.

The fact that Republicans are pretty much always wrong about everything doesn't mean you're biased to point it out. Bias indicates that a person has a reason for believing the truth of a statement other than the pure and simple fact that is is true. I was raised in a conservative midwestern small town white christian family. So called conservative values were brainwashed into my head from the time I was a child. As recently as 2006 I would have referred to myself as strictly Libertarian.

It is specifically because of the fact that I am open-minded and listen to reason that I have realized over time how disgustingly stupid/evil that Conservatives are.
 
Sure you don't...You "Libertarian" types are the worst.....With your conspiracy theory's and Anti-Government Bull****



I simply believe in limited government, reducing prison populations of all non violent offenders, equality for all, and self determination.


How extreme of me.


So that's a no on kicking people in the face?
 
Who are the sexual predators in my camp? My camp is the libertarian camp.


1. Moore is a scumbag
2. franken is a scumbag


I'm willing to be convinced about trump. the problem is, the stories fall apart under scrutiny. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise, but you all just regurgitate proven liars.

You're in denial about Trump. If he wasn't in your camp, you'd have seen all the accusations and evidence against him and drawn the obvious conclusion that he's a clear sexual predator.
 
I simply believe in limited government, reducing prison populations of all non violent offenders, equality for all, and self determination.


How extreme of me.


So that's a no on kicking people in the face?

Libertarian=Middle aged White Men who feel entitled over others
 
Depends on how you were raised, I guess. I was discussing this with my grandmother the other day (she's pushing 90), and you have to understand, my grandmother is *literally* an angel, a saint, the epitome of the perfect grandmother in pretty much every single way, and a rather intelligent debater of politics as well. But, on this issue, I was blown away. She said:

"My mother taught me the wisest words: It's a man's job to try, and a woman's job to deny". I mean, I had no words. She then went on to describe what to me sounded like a lifetime of near constant sexual harassment in a number of the places she worked, made acceptable by the fact that *she* never consented and therefore, in her thinking, she was never a victim, despite telling me how uncomfortable she was made to feel, and how exhausting it was. In her mind, the victims of these men "got carried away, too impressed with powerful men, and found themselves in over their heads"...the blame was entirely on the women.

So, if that's how women of a certain age feel, and how they brought up their daughters, it's not hard to understand why these attitudes still linger today. Perhaps the next generation will be far enough removed from that kind of thinking...here's hoping.

Yeah, it sucks that many women have gone through that. While I've been cat-called and stuff like that, I'm thankful I haven't been subject to any serious harassment.

And trust me, if someone ever tries, they're gonna regret it. :)
 
You're in denial about Trump. If he wasn't in your camp, you'd have seen all the accusations and evidence against him and drawn the obvious conclusion that he's a clear sexual predator.



I'm willing to be convinved. the only thing I am convinced of, is that you are unaware of the facts, and rely solely on the accusation.
 
Libertarian=Middle aged White Men who feel entitled over others


"entitled over" is actually the opposite of what a libertarian is. I even stated "self determination and equality for all".


and you pull that out?


wow.
 
Then why Am I saying Harvey Weinstein, Louis C.K., and Anthony Weiner got exactly what they deserve? All those guys heavily support Democrats. You are the partisan who seems to want to attack Franken, while ignoring Moore and Trump.



The fact that Republicans are pretty much always wrong about everything doesn't mean you're biased to point it out. Bias indicates that a person has a reason for believing the truth of a statement other than the pure and simple fact that is is true. I was raised in a conservative midwestern small town white christian family. So called conservative values were brainwashed into my head from the time I was a child. As recently as 2006 I would have referred to myself as strictly Libertarian.

It is specifically because of the fact that I am open-minded and listen to reason that I have realized over time how disgustingly stupid/evil that Conservatives are.
Because none of those people are elected politicians and their position is indefensible. You are what you are. Dialogue with you is worthless.
 
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