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2nd woman accuses Sen. Al Franken of inappropriate touching

VanceMack said:
Its not just locker rooms. There is kind of a double standard that goes unaddressed whenever these discussions come up.
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Not saying any of it is right or excusable or justifiable. Just sayin...

Men act a certain way. Always have. Women do too...especially when they are around other women. I was a bodyguard in Vegas for 6 years and have worked for some of the most high profile strippers flying in to work the Palomino Club and also the Chippendale Dancers. Let me tell you...four hundred women in a mostly female environment...everyone was getting grabbed.
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Excellent visuals. Thank you. Completely agree. It’s ALL disgusting. And this kind of moral degeneration is why many of us think our society is going to hell in a handbasket.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
But you believe every single accusation against trump, I bet.
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I believe every accusation I've heard against Franken as well. Simply that this one was likely not intentional, and in the grand scheme of things it was small potatoes. This is a molehill compared to Trump's mountain.

As I said in the previous thread. This like the difference between having a couple speeding tickets and having 5 DUIs. The DUIs disqualify you from office the speeding tickets aren't good, but not the end of the world.

This pales in comparison to anything that Roy Moore, Donald Trump, Harvey Weinstein, or Louis C.K. have done.
 
Lutherf said:
If she didn't do something her husband damned sure should have. There should have been at least enough ruckus that anyone in their vicinity should have known something happened.

For the record, I got my picture taken with Ted Cruz and he did not grab my butt.
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The Dems grab butts, the GOP grabs *****, lets get that straight. Did lying Ted grab your ***** ?
 
Risky Thicket said:
Me too. I'm not saying it didn't happen. I know if it had happened to my wife or daughter they would have protested loud and mighty immediately and I would have responded aggressively.

I don't know, but it seems to me that most women wouldn't stand there and take it, especially when their husband and father were standing there. Then again, most politicians are sleazy lizards and some people, I suppose, are in awe of them nonetheless.
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Risky, I think you should have a quasi-serious discussion about this with these ladies you love. Has it ever happened? What did you say or do? You may be very surprised.



This reminds me of a TV program that interviewed mom’s asking if they had taught their young children never to go with strangers. “Oh, most definitely,” they said in unison. “Do you think they would ever let a stranger take them from a park when you weren’t paying attention?” “Are you kidding me? They’d be screaming bloody murder,” was pretty much the unified response.

Roll tape in Park. Every child took the hand of a strange man and allowed him/herself to be led away in order to help him look for his lost puppy.

Not the same thing at all, but reminded me of that shocking demonstration.
 
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MrWonka said:
I believe every accusation I've heard against Franken as well. Simply that this one was likely not intentional, and in the grand scheme of things it was small potatoes. This is a molehill compared to Trump's mountain.

As I said in the previous thread. This like the difference between having a couple speeding tickets and having 5 DUIs. The DUIs disqualify you from office the speeding tickets aren't good, but not the end of the world.

This pales in comparison to anything that Roy Moore, Donald Trump, Harvey Weinstein, or Louis C.K. have done.
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what specifically are you talking about with trump?
 
VanceMack said:
Its not just locker rooms. There is kind of a double standard that goes unaddressed whenever these discussions come up.

Not saying any of it is right or excusable or justifiable. Just sayin...
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In each of these cases, it is very obvious and safe to say that the victims are happily in on the joke. There is no double standard here at all.
 
MaggieD said:
Excellent visuals. Thank you. Completely agree. It’s ALL disgusting. And this kind of moral degeneration is why many of us think our society is going to hell in a handbasket.
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We used to fly training missions out of Zaragoza Spain and during our off time spent a aLOT of time in the down town area called 'the tubes' (El Tubo). We also spent a lot of time in Barcelona. We went to a LOT of different dance clubs. You were told a couple of things. Only take the money you need, nothing in your back pockets, put a handkerchief on top of your wallet in your front pocket, and any time you made your way to the bar, you were going to get groped, and by as many men as women. Deal with it or dont go. Its a thing...but its just a thing.
 
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MrWonka said:
In each of these cases, it is very obvious and safe to say that the victims are happily in on the joke. There is no double standard here at all.
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Its a question of endorsement of conduct.
 
A pattern is forming. Not "I didn't do that" but "I don't remember taking this picture." Franken has got to go.

Republicans: the conclusion of this is that Al Franken needs to resign. What it is not is permission to vote for a child molester or to continue supporting Trump, who admitted to sexual assault and who is likewise accused of assault and harassment by fifteen women.

Nobody has permission to be a sexual predator just because he's on your side of the political aisle, or because somebody else is a sexual predator too. If you take it to be permission, all it means is you support sexual predators. Full stop.
 
Saladin4 said:
Franken would be replaced with a Democrat...So no gain for the trump lovers.....But keep dreaming
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You do realize I am far from being a Trump supporter, or a Conservative. You now have egg on your face. I realize your new, at least dont act like it. You want to suceed here, research!!
 
VanceMack said:
Its not just locker rooms. There is kind of a double standard that goes unaddressed whenever these discussions come up.
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Not saying any of it is right or excusable or justifiable. Just sayin...

Men act a certain way. Always have. Women do too...especially when they are around other women. I was a bodyguard in Vegas for 6 years and have worked for some of the most high profile strippers flying in to work the Palomino Club and also the Chippendale Dancers. Let me tell you...four hundred women in a mostly female environment...everyone was getting grabbed.
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Yeah, women do it, too. And that is just as bad.
 
yankintx said:
You do realize I am far from being a Trump supporter, or a Conservative. You now have egg on your face.
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So ...You sound like one.......Let Franken resign...Have him replaced with another Democrat....The goal is defeating trump and the goons that surround him...By any means necessary
 
Saladin4 said:
So ...You sound like one.......Let Franken resign...Have him replaced with another Democrat....The goal is defeating trump and the goons that surround him...By any means necessary
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Try doing it without letting off friendly fire.
 
Cardinal said:
A pattern is forming. Not "I didn't do that" but "I don't remember taking this picture." Franken has got to go.

Republicans: the conclusion of this is that Al Franken needs to resign. What it is not is permission to vote for a child molester or to continue supporting Trump, who admitted to sexual assault and who is likewise accused of assault and harassment by fifteen women.

Nobody has permission to be a sexual predator just because he's on your side of the political aisle, or because somebody else is a sexual predator too. If you take it to be permission, all it means is you support sexual predators. Full stop.
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I see this is the lefts marching orders today. "get trump over the dubious accusations that were made".
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I see this is the lefts marching orders today. "get trump over the dubious accusations that were made".
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You're in denial. That or you're not and you're just pretending to be in denial. Sexual predators have found themselves in positions of power in just about all institutions and industries, and you don't like it that this is happening with your guys too. Well, tough. It's a crap sandwich and we're all taking a bite.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I see this is the lefts marching orders today. "get trump over the dubious accusations that were made".
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Everyday...Blue State America stands against trump and the goons that surround him....The Goal:...Bring him down.....We will never accept that idiot as President
 
Cardinal said:
You're in denial. That or you're not and you're just pretending to be in denial. Sexual predators have found themselves in positions of power in just about all institutions and industries, and you don't like it that this is happening with your guys too. Well, tough. It's a crap sandwich and we're all taking a bite.
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Lets discuss the strongest case with trump actually assaulting someone.


I don't have a dog in this fight. so let the chips fall where they may.


I require evidence tho.
 
Saladin4 said:
Point taken.....
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The Dems will look hypocritical if they do not make an example of Fraken. Those suburban Moms in VA who brought the Dems to victory, are in all 50 States, and they are watching, and they vote.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I didn't ask jake tapper, I asked you.
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It's not my job to report the News. I let reporters do that, but since you're likely getting all your information from garbage right-wing sources that won't report these inconvenient truths, I'll direct you to the ones that do.

ReverendHellh0und said:
Most of those were discredited, unbelievable.
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You are wrong. None of them have been discredited at all.

ReverendHellh0und said:
pick the strongest one and lets discuss.
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The evidence has been put forward. If you'd like to go down the line and make excuses or accuse all 12 of them of lying you're welcome to try.
 
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