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Kushner testified he did not recall any campaign WikiLeaks contact

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Here we go again, Jerad Kushner lied again under oath, & stated he had no knowledge of any contacts with the Wikileaks during the campaign season. This whole administration lies all of the time.

Washington (CNN)White House senior adviser Jared Kushner told congressional Russia investigators that he did not communicate with WikiLeaks and did not recall anyone on the Trump campaign who had, a source with knowledge of his testimony told CNN.

But Kushner did receive and forward an email from Donald Trump Jr. about contact Trump Jr. had with WikiLeaks, according to a new report this week and a letter from the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Kushner, President Donald Trump's son-in-law, was asked in July during his closed-door congressional testimony if he had any contacts with WikiLeaks or its founder Julian Assange and he responded that he had not, according to the source. He also told Congress he did not know of anyone on the campaign who had contacted WikiLeaks.
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Kushner didn't recall any campaign WikiLeaks contact - CNNPolitics

This video relates to the last time Trump Jr. & Kushner lied.


This entire administration, including Trump have got to go. There are Russian interests in every single corner and it doesn't help to know that Trump was planning on building a Trump tower in Moscow while he was campaigning for POTUS.

While Donald Trump was running for president in late 2015 and early 2016, his company was pursuing a plan to develop a massive Trump Tower in Moscow, according to several people familiar with the proposal and new records reviewed by Trump Organization lawyers.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...b4e4bb76a3a_story.html?utm_term=.b39a7984e596
 
We've seen Sessions, Don Jr, Page, and Kushner give false statements in front of Congress, and write down gross inaccuracies on their SF-86 forms.

I think Mueller bringing the hammer down on Papadopoulos was not so much about him turning states evidence, as it was a way to tell the WH that perjury is going to be taken very seriously in the investigation.

All of the special counsels of past brought the hammer down on people for perjury. Watergate, Contragate, Lewinsky, Plame. All of those investigations took perjury seriously.

Nowadays, not every prosecutor is willing to charge someone with perjury without an underlying crime. But Mueller is an old timer that doesn't put up with bull**** rich boy antics, so I think we'll see that become a theme of this investigation going forward.
 
MovingPictures said:
We've seen Sessions, Don Jr, Page, and Kushner give false statements in front of Congress, and write down gross inaccuracies on their SF-86 forms.

I think Mueller bringing the hammer down on Papadopoulos was not so much about him turning states evidence, as it was a way to tell the WH that perjury is going to be taken very seriously in the investigation.

All of the special counsels of past brought the hammer down on people for perjury. Watergate, Contragate, Lewinsky, Plame. All of those investigations took perjury seriously.

Nowadays, not every prosecutor is willing to charge someone with perjury without an underlying crime. But Mueller is an old timer that doesn't put up with bull**** rich boy antics, so I think we'll see that become a theme of this investigation going forward.
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Yes, remember though that they arrested Papadopolous in Texas, in July, the day after they raided Manafort's home, so many believe Mueller struck a deal with him, and I imagine he was doing a dial a crook (wired to the hilt) from July all the way to October 30th when he officially pleaded guilty.
Papadopoulos' guilty plea is much bigger problem for Trump than the Manafort indictment - CNNPolitics
 
Oreo said:
Here we go again, Jerad Kushner lied again under oath, & stated he had no knowledge of any contacts with the Wikileaks during the campaign season. This whole administration lies all of the time.
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It is this kind of distortion of the truth that defeats your narratives every time, :roll:

From your own citation:

White House senior adviser Jared Kushner told congressional Russia investigators that he did not communicate with WikiLeaks and did not recall anyone on the Trump campaign who had...A separate source familiar with Kushner's interview with congressional investigators said he accurately answered questions about his contact and didn't recall anyone else in the campaign who had contact.
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Please point out the "lie."

1. The article indicates he forwarded an email from Trump Jr.. That does not indicate he (Jared Kushner) contacted WikiLeaks. No lie there, so far.

2. He said he did not recall anyone who had contacted WikiLeaks. NOTE: He did not say that no one had contacted WikiLeaks, only that HE did not recall anyone. Again no lie there.

I challenge anyone here to remember every single email they ever received and forwarded to someone back in 2016. Simply stating you don't recall is not a lie.

I'd suggest simply sticking to facts rather than projecting assumptions as truth...but I know that would fall on deaf ears. :coffeepap:
 
Captain Adverse said:
It is this kind of distortion of the truth that defeats your narratives every time, :roll:

From your own citation:



Please point out the "lie."

1. The article indicates he forwarded an email from Trump Jr.. That does not indicate he (Jared Kushner) contacted WikiLeaks. No lie there, so far.

2. He said he did not recall anyone who had contacted WikiLeaks. NOTE: He did not say that no one had contacted WikiLeaks, only that HE did not recall anyone. Again no lie there.

I challenge anyone here to remember every single email they ever received and forwarded to someone back in 2016. Simply stating you don't recall is not a lie.

I'd suggest simply sticking to facts rather than projecting assumptions as truth...but I know that would fall on deaf ears. :coffeepap:
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Wow. Those are some interesting mental gymnastics, even as far as Trump apologetics goes.

Lying to federal investigators, on government forms, or in a grand jury is a serious offense. You can ask Bill Clinton and Scooter Libby about that if you don't believe me

Stating that one "doesn't recall" when on a witness stand is not enough to get out of a perjury charge. What matters is whether the intent to give misleading or untruthful statements under oath (or on a government form or law enforcement officer) can be demonstrated as intentional or not to a jury.

Kushner's lies on his SF-86 form were bad enough, but this might just be the nail that gets him on a federal perjury charge.

Daddy in law might want to shine the pardon button -- he'll need it.
 
MovingPictures said:
Stating that one "doesn't recall" when on a witness stand is not enough to get out of a perjury charge. What matters is whether the intent to give misleading or untruthful statements under oath (or on a government form or law enforcement officer) can be demonstrated as intentional or not to a jury.
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Where did you get your law degree? Wikipedia School of Law? :roll:

Simply stating "I don't recall" is not presumed to be a lie.

In order for it to be perjury, one must show the statement is willfully misleading in regards to a fact material to the case.

That means evidence that the person did know and intentionally stated "I do not recall" in order to deceive about such knowledge. :coffeepap:
 
Captain Adverse said:
Where did you get your law degree? Wikipedia School of Law? :roll:

Simply stating "I don't recall" is not presumed to be a lie.

In order for it to be perjury, one must show the statement is willfully misleading in regards to a fact material to the case.

That means evidence that the person did know and intentionally stated "I do not recall" in order to deceive about such knowledge. :coffeepap:
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I never claimed that stating "I don't recall" under oath is presumed to be lie, I said it was not enough to get one out of a perjury charge -- which it isn't. You need to learn to read peoples posts before you reply, instead of creating men of straw to pick on.

You said it yourself, the job of the prosecutor is to demonstrate that a person made false statements, all while knowing they were in fact false. If Kushner stated he was not made aware of contacts between the Trump campaign and Wikileaks, and there is an email showing he in fact was, then that's certainly a possible count of perjury.

Throw in the mockery he made of his SF-86 forms and not disclosing countless meetings and personal finances until investigators found out the truth, and Kushner has laid out two severe counts of perjury to be made to a grand jury.

After awhile, it becomes hard for any reasonable person to believe Kushner was making sincere mistakes, and it becomes obvious he was intentionally trying to deceive the government -- which is a crime.

Although it's not my decision to make, if what Papadopoulos did is enough to bring on charges, then Kushner and Sessions should be slam dunks.
 
Captain Adverse said:
I challenge anyone here to remember every single email they ever received and forwarded to someone back in 2016. Simply stating you don't recall is not a lie.
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Remembering every email received in a year is the same as being a high level campaign official and remembering wikileaks made contact with the campaign?

I might not remember every email from last year, but if wikileaks contacted my office I'd remember.

But okay, let's say I forgot. Congress asks me to turn over documents. In doing so, I also forget to submit documents showing campaign contact with wikileaks. What's my excuse? Those were in my junk mail folder and I forgot to check that?

Okay, well, we've all forgotten about contact from wikileaks before, and we've all forgot about the emails regarding that when asked to turn over our such documents.

Next... Russian contact. I don't remember having a meeting with a Russian lawyer. I don't remember a "Russian backdoor overture and dinner invite" and I certainly don't remember "communications I was copied on with Sergei Millian". When I was requested to submit documents by congress, it turns out the stuff about the backdoor overture was also in my junk file and I forgot to submit it.

All the stuff I forgot about was in my junk mail, that's why I didn't submit the documents.



Really?
 
MovingPictures said:
You need to learn to read peoples posts before you reply, instead of creating men of straw to pick on.
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Yeah, that'll happen.

:lol:

Even "can you remember every email from last year" is a strawman. "You can't, can you. No one can! So my claim is correct!" It's idiotic. Remembering one very important email is not the same as remembering every email.
 
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Amazing how forgetful people around Trump are.. and Trump himself. Must be some sort of mass dementia virus.
 
Oreo said:
Here we go again, Jerad Kushner lied again under oath, & stated he had no knowledge of any contacts with the Wikileaks during the campaign season. This whole administration lies all of the time.


Kushner didn't recall any campaign WikiLeaks contact - CNNPolitics

This video relates to the last time Trump Jr. & Kushner lied.


This entire administration, including Trump have got to go. There are Russian interests in every single corner and it doesn't help to know that Trump was planning on building a Trump tower in Moscow while he was campaigning for POTUS.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...b4e4bb76a3a_story.html?utm_term=.b39a7984e596
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You will be hard put to prove he has knowledge of the contacts beyond mention in the last days in the media.
 
Captain Adverse said:
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I challenge anyone here to remember every single email they ever received and forwarded to someone back in 2016. Simply stating you don't recall is not a lie.
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Kushner had his lawyers help to go through his email history, so he had a chance to inform his memory before the hearing. And yet Senate Judiciary: Jared Kushner Withheld Emails on WikiLeaks and 'Russian Backdoor Overture'

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Grassley, R-Iowa, and Feinstein, D-Calif., wrote that other parties have produced documents concerning a “Russian backdoor overture and dinner invite” that Kushner forwarded but has not given to the committee. It is unclear what overture and dinner invite they are referring to.
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In the letter to Kushner, the senators noted they had asked him to provide documents to, from, or copied to him “relating to” certain individuals of interest to investigators, but Kushner responded that no emails had been found in which those individuals were sent emails, received emails, or were copied on them.
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Captain Adverse said:
It is this kind of distortion of the truth that defeats your narratives every time, :roll:

From your own citation:



Please point out the "lie."

1. The article indicates he forwarded an email from Trump Jr.. That does not indicate he (Jared Kushner) contacted WikiLeaks. No lie there, so far.

2. He said he did not recall anyone who had contacted WikiLeaks. NOTE: He did not say that no one had contacted WikiLeaks, only that HE did not recall anyone. Again no lie there.

I challenge anyone here to remember every single email they ever received and forwarded to someone back in 2016. Simply stating you don't recall is not a lie.

I'd suggest simply sticking to facts rather than projecting assumptions as truth...but I know that would fall on deaf ears. :coffeepap:
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Simply saying I do not recall, that is the Nixon defense. Nixon coached all his staff to say that exact line, and we all now haw that worked out.
 
joG said:
You will be hard put to prove he has knowledge of the contacts beyond mention in the last days in the media.
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That will be a challenge. I would ask his lawyers why they didn't find the examples Grassley and Feinstein mentioned.
 
joG said:
You will be hard put to prove he has knowledge of the contacts beyond mention in the last days in the media.
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The senate appears to have documents proving it, documents that Kushner failed to produce himself when requested. Read the article.
 
ecofarm said:
Remembering every email received in a year is the same as being a high level campaign official and remembering wikileaks made contact with the campaign?

I might not remember every email from last year, but if wikileaks contacted my office I'd remember.

But okay, let's say I forgot. Congress asks me to turn over documents. In doing so, I also forget to submit documents showing campaign contact with wikileaks. What's my excuse? Those were in my junk mail folder and I forgot to check that?

Okay, well, we've all forgotten about contact from wikileaks before, and we've all forgot about the emails regarding that when asked to turn over our such documents.

Next... Russian contact. I don't remember having a meeting with a Russian lawyer. I don't remember a "Russian backdoor overture and dinner invite" and I certainly don't remember "communications I was copied on with Sergei Millian". When I was requested to submit documents by congress, it turns out the stuff about the backdoor overture was also in my junk file and I forgot to submit it.

All the stuff I forgot about was in my junk mail, that's why I didn't submit the documents.



Really?
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Don't forget the classified documents, where you thought the C on the front meant Cookie. That gets them rolling every single time.
 
I still like how the OP is saying that he lied, without a single shred of evidence to that fact...

Just the same kind of mental lapse we have gotten used to with them in this case.

Nice try at bringing reason into the thread though, but I guess dissuasion & discourse win out again.
 
Oborosen said:
I still like how the OP is saying that he lied, without a single shred of evidence to that fact...

Just the same kind of mental lapse we have gotten used to with them in this case.

Nice try at bringing reason into the thread though, but I guess dissuasion & discourse win out again.
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What do you have against discourse?
 
ecofarm said:
The senate appears to have documents proving it, documents that Kushner failed to produce himself when requested. Read the article.
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To have no knowledge doesn't mean one never knew.
 
MovingPictures said:
We've seen Sessions, Don Jr, Page, and Kushner give false statements in front of Congress, and write down gross inaccuracies on their SF-86 forms.

I think Mueller bringing the hammer down on Papadopoulos was not so much about him turning states evidence, as it was a way to tell the WH that perjury is going to be taken very seriously in the investigation.

All of the special counsels of past brought the hammer down on people for perjury. Watergate, Contragate, Lewinsky, Plame. All of those investigations took perjury seriously.

Nowadays, not every prosecutor is willing to charge someone with perjury without an underlying crime. But Mueller is an old timer that doesn't put up with bull**** rich boy antics, so I think we'll see that become a theme of this investigation going forward.
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Perjury will only be a sideline item. Mueller is following the money, and most of those who end up indicted will be charged with money laundering.
 
CletusWilbury said:
Kushner had his lawyers help to go through his email history, so he had a chance to inform his memory before the hearing. And yet Senate Judiciary: Jared Kushner Withheld Emails on WikiLeaks and 'Russian Backdoor Overture'
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Yes, I just saw that, unbelievable isn't it? It's like going in for a job interview and lying all the way through it, your resume is completely FALSE, getting hired, and then finding out the person you just hired is not what he represented himself to be.

Signing of on a Government security form with all these non-disclosures, lying under oath, would put anyone else in handcuffs and lead off. Not any of the Trump's though--
 
joG said:
You will be hard put to prove he has knowledge of the contacts beyond mention in the last days in the media.
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Kushner forwarded the wikileak messages to others--so he did know about them and what they contained. This is deliberate "I don't remember" which can be prosecuted according to Jeff Sessions, who can't remember anything either, until his memory is some how jarred loose by pictures and other testimony--"only" then does he remember, and he's done that on 3 different congressional hearing's while under oath.
 
Oreo said:
Here we go again, Jerad Kushner lied again under oath, & stated he had no knowledge of any contacts with the Wikileaks during the campaign season. This whole administration lies all of the time.


Kushner didn't recall any campaign WikiLeaks contact - CNNPolitics

This video relates to the last time Trump Jr. & Kushner lied.


This entire administration, including Trump have got to go. There are Russian interests in every single corner and it doesn't help to know that Trump was planning on building a Trump tower in Moscow while he was campaigning for POTUS.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...b4e4bb76a3a_story.html?utm_term=.b39a7984e596
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We voted for insanity. So, who, exactly, is insane?
 
These types of stories are really interesting to me. It seems like we are basically left with two assumptions to make. Either various people in this administration are lying about who they met with, or they all have problems with their memory. These questions aren't about what they had for breakfast 3 months ago. If they can't remember important meetings I think that is a real threat to this country. I would consider it a genuine threat to national security.
 
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