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Ex-General: Nuclear Launch Order Can be Refused

The people that were hanged lost the war, so...

I dont think thats how it works :lol:

Have a look at "United States VS Keenan" to see how it applies to United States forces as much as anyone else. This is due as much to the United States own laws and military code as it is to the international legal precedent but do a bit of research on "universal jurisdiction "

As the US Court of Military Appeals put it ""the justification for acts done pursuant to orders does not exist if the order was of such a nature that a man of ordinary sense and understanding would know it to be illegal." This is both military law 101 and "being a decent and reasonable human being 101" again I am appalled that anyone is even debating this.
 
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I dont think thats how it works :lol:

Have a look at "United States VS Keenan" to see how it applies to United States forces as much as anyone else. This is due as much to the United States own laws and military code as it is to the international legal precedent but do a bit of research on "universal jurisdiction "

As the US Court of Military Appeals put it ""the justification for acts done pursuant to orders does not exist if the order was of such a nature that a man of ordinary sense and understanding would know it to be illegal." This is both military law 101 and "being a decent and reasonable human being 101" again I am appalled that anyone is even debating this.

The troops at the silos have been told that when they receive a launch order, then launch their birds, no questions asked. If they receive a properly authenticated launch order, they aren't executing an illegal order.
 
This is the USAF four-star presently in command of the U.S. nuclear arsenal that would launch ICBMs from their silos in the USA. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee heard last week from the former and presently retired commander of the arsenal, General Robert Kehler who said the same thing but with less specificity.

This is the current commander of the nuclear land based ICBM launch arsenal speaking, General John Hyten.

The video of the specific remarks is at the link.


Top general says he would resist "illegal" nuke order from Trump


The top U.S. nuclear commander said Saturday he would push back against President Trump if he ordered a nuclear launch the general believed to be "illegal," saying he would look to find another solution.

Air Force Gen. John Hyten, commander of the U.S. Strategic Command (STRATCOM), told an audience at the Halifax International Security Forum in Halifax, Nova Scotia, on Saturday that he has given a lot of thought to what he would say if a president ordered a strike he considered unlawful.

"I think some people think we're stupid," Hyten said in response to a question about such a scenario. "We're not stupid people. We think about these things a lot. When you have this responsibility, how do you not think about it?
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Air Force Gen. John Hyten, the head of U.S. Strategic Command, spoke at the Halifax International Security Forum in Nova Scotia on Saturday, Nov. 18, 2017. The command would control nuclear forces in a war.


Hyten was responding to a Forum question about testimony by former STRATCOM commander retired Gen. Robert Kehler before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee earlier this week. Kehler said that nuclear operators would refuse to implement an unlawful order. Hyten agreed, and argued that the process in place to launch a nuclear strike would prevent such a situation from arising in the first place. As head of STRATCOM, Hyten is responsible for overseeing the U.S. nuclear arsenal.

"I provide advice to the president, he will tell me what to do," Hyten added. "And if it's illegal, guess what's going to happen? I'm going to say, 'Mr. President, that's illegal.' And guess what he's going to do? He's going to say, 'What would be legal?' And we'll come up with options, with a mix of capabilities to respond to whatever the situation is, and that's the way it works. It's not that complicated."

Hyten said he has been trained every year for decades in the law of armed conflict, which takes into account specific factors to determine legality -- necessity, distinction, proportionality, unnecessary suffering and more. Running through scenarios of how to react in the event of an illegal order is standard practice, he said.

"If you execute an unlawful order, you will go to jail. You could go to jail for the rest of your life," Hyten said.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-st...llegal-nuke-order-from-trump/?linkId=44885451


SecDef James Mattis spent a day with Gen. Hyten and senior Stratcom generals during Mattis visit in September to Stratcom headquarters at Offutt AFB in Nebraska. Gen Hyten said earlier this year he and Mattis are long time friends who speak by phone each week.
 
Of course they can refuse. That's never really been a question, or should be a question. A member of the military may always refuse what they think is an unlawful order.

Here's the flip side of that issue though.

They can be removed from their position and someone new ordered to do the same thing if they do that. AND, if it's found that the order was NOT unlawful, then they can find themselves suffering the punishment for refusing a direct order from a superior.

So basically it creates a system and situation where they should not be disobeying an order unless they are absolutely positive doing so is illegal and unconstitutional.

Who's to decide what is lawful or not, this one guy? Or do we have a long drawn out court process that lasts for months or years?
 
Who's to decide what is lawful or not, this one guy? Or do we have a long drawn out court process that lasts for months or years?


Each individual member of the armed forces is judged qualified to determine whether an order received might be an illegal order.

There is no question the four-star general in command of the nuclear arsenal is more qualified than the USMC lance corporal in his or her MOS, or the USN Seaman 3rd class etc but each of 'em and all of 'em are qualified individually.

It is mandated to make the determination when there might be a question. Each and every service member is educated in it and is judged qualified to make the judgement.

We're not talking about refusing a deployment or telling your NCO to shove it. We're talking about the laws of war in the USA and internationally and an order that would be beyond a reasonable order that would be given by a reasonable commander or leader measured up with the laws of war.

The officer oath is to the Constitution only and directly. Potus is not in the officer oath. The officer oath is to the three branches of the government, which is how the Founders designed it. A general can consult with the Speaker of the House if he might deem it necessary, or the chief justice or vice president; chairman of joint chiefs, secretary of defense, secretary of state etc.

Identifying and reporting an illegal order is the duty and responsibility of each member of the armed forces. You execute an illegal order to launch an elective and voluntary first use of nuclear weapons you're going up ****'s creek.
 
Strange to my knowledge this hasn't come up until Trump became president.

Disobeying the president's orders has only come up until Trump became president? Lol.
 
Each individual member of the armed forces is judged qualified to determine whether an order received might be an illegal order.

There is no question the four-star general in command of the nuclear arsenal is more qualified than the USMC lance corporal in his or her MOS, or the USN Seaman 3rd class etc but each of 'em and all of 'em are qualified individually.

It is mandated to make the determination when there might be a question. Each and every service member is educated in it and is judged qualified to make the judgement.

We're not talking about refusing a deployment or telling your NCO to shove it. We're talking about the laws of war in the USA and internationally and an order that would be beyond a reasonable order that would be given by a reasonable commander or leader measured up with the laws of war.

The officer oath is to the Constitution only and directly. Potus is not in the officer oath. The officer oath is to the three branches of the government, which is how the Founders designed it. A general can consult with the Speaker of the House if he might deem it necessary, or the chief justice or vice president; chairman of joint chiefs, secretary of defense, secretary of state etc.

Identifying and reporting an illegal order is the duty and responsibility of each member of the armed forces. You execute an illegal order to launch an elective and voluntary first use of nuclear weapons you're going up ****'s creek.

So, if I get this straight and understand you correctly, you are afraid of one guy (Trump) having the power to decide a go, no go for launching nuclear attacks so you have put one guy (this general) in full charge of deciding a go, no go for launching nuclear attacks. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
The troops at the silos have been told that when they receive a launch order, then launch their birds, no questions asked. If they receive a properly authenticated launch order, they aren't executing an illegal order.

Killing more civillians then is needed to reach a military objective is an illegal order, targetting civillians is an illegal order, unprovoked agression is an illegal order. No one is saying that the military should refuse any launch order but if it were to come out of nowhere without just cause then they would be legally obligated not to follow it. Just as they would in any other circumtances.
 
Killing more civillians then is needed to reach a military objective is an illegal order, targetting civillians is an illegal order, unprovoked agression is an illegal order. No one is saying that the military should refuse any launch order but if it were to come out of nowhere without just cause then they would be legally obligated not to follow it. Just as they would in any other circumtances.

Who decides how many civilians killed is "more than needed"? Who is going to purposely target civilians? Funny thing is, the US had no problems targeting civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but if we drop a nuke trying to get rocketman then all of a sudden, that is unacceptable.
 
Disobeying the president's orders has only come up until Trump became president? Lol.

No, whether or not one can disobey an authenticated launch code from the president hasn't. Not when Bill Clinton was impeached and going through his trial in the senate or during the Nixon Watergate investigations. Other mox nix orders I was not referring to. Although there is really no mox nix order if it comes from the president. You had to AG's during Nixon that resigned rather than disobey a president order which led to the firing of the independent council.
 
No, whether or not one can disobey an authenticated launch code from the president hasn't. Not when Bill Clinton was impeached and going through his trial in the senate or during the Nixon Watergate investigations. Other mox nix orders I was not referring to. Although there is really no mox nix order if it comes from the president. You had to AG's during Nixon that resigned rather than disobey a president order which led to the firing of the independent council.

So then what was it that came up when Trump was president?
 
So, if I get this straight and understand you correctly, you are afraid of one guy (Trump) having the power to decide a go, no go for launching nuclear attacks so you have put one guy (this general) in full charge of deciding a go, no go for launching nuclear attacks. Thanks for clearing that up.


I wuz trying to figure who the general might be referring to and shooting down when he said some people think he's stupid. Now I know thx. I also know the general knows the laws of war and that that's a bell-ringer over here.

Your post correctly identifies the chain of command. That is, one guy issues an illegal order. Another guy receives the illegal order. The guy receiving the illegal order says he is mandated to disobey the illegal order. So far so good. However, it is true also that the guy receiving the illegal order is mandated to report the illegal order immediately.

So you have some of the basic flow of it correct while you fail to follow through on it. Your flow breaks down because you have a beef. You don't like Trump being told the elective and voluntary first use of nuclear weapons on the Korean peninsula is illegal and a violation of the laws of war of the United States and international laws of war. Oh, and Gen. Hyten would also be in violation of the UCMJ if he followed the illegal order.

Now that we have advanced in the scenario you disdain let's start considering the SecDef James Mattis and whether he might make an official confirmation that it was Potus who is trying to issue the nuclear launch order. Or whether Mattis might instead clip in two Potus' card with the launch code on it. Then there are a couple of guys not in the chain, namely Kelly the empty barrel salesman and McMaster the expert author of Dereliction of Duty..

Methinks you learned to stop worrying and love the bomb. You'd need to know though that it would be improper and inappropriate to fight in the War Room. What would people say and think of us.
 
Haven't been paying attention, huh?

Your evasion is pretty pretty well noted. You should probably avoid making sweeping statements like that.
 
I wuz trying to figure who the general might be referring to and shooting down when he said some people think he's stupid. Now I know thx. I also know the general knows the laws of war and that that's a bell-ringer over here.

Your post correctly identifies the chain of command. That is, one guy issues an illegal order. Another guy receives the illegal order. The guy receiving the illegal order says he is mandated to disobey the illegal order. So far so good. However, it is true also that the guy receiving the illegal order is mandated to report the illegal order immediately.

So you have some of the basic flow of it correct while you fail to follow through on it. Your flow breaks down because you have a beef. You don't like Trump being told the elective and voluntary first use of nuclear weapons on the Korean peninsula is illegal and a violation of the laws of war of the United States and international laws of war. Oh, and Gen. Hyten would also be in violation of the UCMJ if he followed the illegal order.

Now that we have advanced in the scenario you disdain let's start considering the SecDef James Mattis and whether he might make an official confirmation that it was Potus who is trying to issue the nuclear launch order. Or whether Mattis might instead clip in two Potus' card with the launch code on it. Then there are a couple of guys not in the chain, namely Kelly the empty barrel salesman and McMaster the expert author of Dereliction of Duty..

Methinks you learned to stop worrying and love the bomb. You'd need to know though that it would be improper and inappropriate to fight in the War Room. What would people say and think of us.

This is all rather moot. The US will not first strike NK with a NUKE. But, they may very well strike first with something else and if NK retaliates with a NUKE then say goodbye to NK. At that point the decision will be "legal".
 
Potus is not in the officer oath. No one or official is in the military officer oath.

The officer oath is directly to the Constitution, i.e., The People. The proscribed oath originated with George Washington who was motivated to protect the republic against a tyrant sovereign ruler. Washington did not mention Caligula but in the present time and circumstance Caligula comes immediately to mind.



Ex-General: Nuclear Launch Order Can be Refused






National Security
Retired US general says nuclear launch order can be refused


WASHINGTON — A retired Air Force general told the Senate on Tuesday that an order from President Donald Trump or any of his successors to launch nuclear weapons can be refused by the top officer at U.S. Strategic Command if that order is determined to be illegal.

During testimony before the Foreign Relations Committee, retired Gen. Robert Kehler said the U.S. armed forces are obligated to follow legal orders, not illegal ones. Kehler, who served as the head of Strategic Command from January 2011 to November 2013, said the legal principles of military necessity, distinction and proportionality also apply to decisions about nuclear weapons use. The command would control nuclear forces in a war.

Sen. Ben Cardin of Maryland, the committee’s top ranking Democrat, asked Kehler if that means Strategic Command can deny the president’s order if it fails the test of proportionality and legality.

“Yes,” Kehler responded, adding such a situation would lead to a “very difficult conversation.” It might prompt a president to put a new general in charge to carry out his order, said Brian McKeon, a former acting undersecretary of defense for policy during the Obama administration, who testified alongside Kehler.


Bruce Blair, a former nuclear missile launch officer and a co-founder of Global Zero, an international movement for the elimination of nuclear weapons, said that even if a four-star commander of nuclear forces believed a presidential launch order to be illegal, he could not stop it because the order goes to him and to launch crews in the field simultaneously. The commander could try to override the order by sending a launch termination order, Blair said.

“But it would be too late,” he said.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...a10ed11ecf5_story.html?utm_term=.5402ac826635


Better never than late or too late.


That’s nice to know. I guess. But those who believe Trump would ever nuke NK are blooming idiots. We don’t need nuclear weapons to send that country back to the Stone Age. We can rain down hellfire and brimstone quite well without them.
 
This is all rather moot. The US will not first strike NK with a NUKE. But, they may very well strike first with something else and if NK retaliates with a NUKE then say goodbye to NK. At that point the decision will be "legal".

That’s nice to know. I guess. But those who believe Trump would ever nuke NK are blooming idiots. We don’t need nuclear weapons to send that country back to the Stone Age. We can rain down hellfire and brimstone quite well without them.


We see the two generals and also Sen. Corker have begun to have their intended effect.

No first use of nuclear weapons on an elective basis or no use of 'em at all. Or using nuclear weapons only in retaliation against an attacker, in this case NK, if it strikes first.

Sounds like the normal state of affairs. Trump however remains the guy to watch and to check. Y'know, Potus Fire 'N Fury with his rain from the sky the likes of which has never seen before. Paraphrasing Truman of course speaking after he'd offloaded the first A-Bomb.

One suspects the two generals are speaking out at this time and without precedent because Trump might be closer than ever to going ahead with his fascination to join the lonely atomic president club. The AF generals would not be talking like this -- and publicly -- simply out of the blue. Methinks they know or believe something might well be in the works. If so, let's hope the generals and Sen. Corker are heading it off by this burst of statements that are conscious, deliberate, well crafted and designed and timely executed. One hopes more of 'em will be speaking out to emphasize the point further.
 
Of course they can refuse. That's never really been a question, or should be a question. A member of the military may always refuse what they think is an unlawful order.

Here's the flip side of that issue though.

They can be removed from their position and someone new ordered to do the same thing if they do that. AND, if it's found that the order was NOT unlawful, then they can find themselves suffering the punishment for refusing a direct order from a superior.

So basically it creates a system and situation where they should not be disobeying an order unless they are absolutely positive doing so is illegal and unconstitutional.

Calley (sp?) tried to make the case that he murdered innocent civilians at Mai Lai because he could not refuse an order. The court disagreed. Not only he could, but he should.
 
We see the two generals and also Sen. Corker have begun to have their intended effect.

No first use of nuclear weapons on an elective basis or no use of 'em at all. Or using nuclear weapons only in retaliation against an attacker, in this case NK, if it strikes first.

Sounds like the normal state of affairs. Trump however remains the guy to watch and to check. Y'know, Potus Fire 'N Fury with his rain from the sky the likes of which has never seen before. Paraphrasing Truman of course speaking after he'd offloaded the first A-Bomb.

One suspects the two generals are speaking out at this time and without precedent because Trump might be closer than ever to going ahead with his fascination to join the lonely atomic president club. The AF generals would not be talking like this -- and publicly -- simply out of the blue. Methinks they know or believe something might well be in the works. If so, let's hope the generals and Sen. Corker are heading it off by this burst of statements that are conscious, deliberate, well crafted and designed and timely executed. One hopes more of 'em will be speaking out to emphasize the point further.

Trump isn't playing the same stupid game that Obama did in saying that we would never use nuclear weapons first. That's why Trump once said, "why have nuclear weapons if we aren't going to use them"? Obama played stupid. Trump is playing poker, as in bluffing. In order to make bluffing work, you've gotta make the other side believe you actually would. These left wing idiots, like this general, are buying Trump's bluffs and making it harder for Trump to bluff effectively. The left really need to get their heads out of their asses and wake up to reality and quit being so stupid. It's downright embarrassing.
 
Generals don't resign. Generals soldier on. It's the tradition, it's the custom, it's the value. You check your conscience at the door, which is where you also check your politics. (The new professionalism of a 'disciplined disobedience' merits its own focus.)

Argue yes. Argue inside the four walls of the room and maybe pound the table once or twice. Few generals or admirals are ambiguous in the closed door discussions. However, even fewer flag officers ever collect their marbles and go home. You rather soldier on. It's what generals do in a republic whose first general was George Washington, where democracy is always being explored and developed and in which the civilian authority commands the military. Generals are nothing if they are not Americans first and foremost -- above all else. So generals obey which is their deep rooted tradition.

Indeed, since 1775 how many generals have resigned in protest of orders or policy? Few if any generals resign in protest. It is rare. Generals don't quit or throw in the towel because they might oppose going to war or in opposition to a peace treaty that ended the war. The same is true during wars. The WW II generals did not resign because the D-Day invasion of Nazi occupied Europe got moved to mid 1944 instead of the early 1943 the generals and admirals wanted. U.S. commanders in Vietnam didn't resign because Potus would not invade North Vietnam or for any combination of reasons Washington would not wage all out war. Rather, the generals say, "Yes sir, even if it's only because you said so sir." Generals who don't say yes sir get fired. Characteristically they go quietly and they fade away. Generals don't play sore losers either.

What is significant to the present is that in 1945 virtually all the generals and admirals opposed using the atomic bomb against Japan. This is fact despite Japan being Americans hated enemy of WW II. Our generals firebombed with minimum mercy the cities of Japan and our armed forces took it with feeling to the Japanese from Australia to Iwo Jima and Okinawa. We were going to invade the home islands to torch their fields and maul 'em all. Every last one of 'em if need be.

Yet the generals and admirals were against using the bomb. Using it. Dropping it. Launching it and exploding it on someone -- anyone. The generals and admirals are still against using the bomb. They just don't consider the bomb to be a weapon of war. The bomb is rather the destroyer of civilization itself. Using nuclear bombs leaves nobody around after it to sign a peace treaty. It leaves nobody around period. Using the bomb is not warfare. It is, in the words of the A-Bomb lead scientist Robert Oppenheimer, the destroyer of worlds. There's nothing military about it.

Indeed, the generals consider that using the bomb again would be madness. Only a madman would do it. And the generals know who are the few generals who would say 'yes sir' to execute a first use of nuclear bombs since 1945. As the general retired in the OP implies, there is only one military reply to a first use order and it is no. Not 'no' as a new overall and overarching policy but rather 'no' to the present circumstance in its specifics and particulars. It is this side of the equation the generals can influence or impact directly and immediately. If the other guy on the other end of the nuclear equation might make the first move then he should know already he'll fry in hell for it. And that the world will suddenly become a radically threatened place. That's not where generals or the people and societies they have pledged to defend want to be.

Perhaps I'm a bit too cynical.
 
Any resemblance between the statement and persons living or dead is coincidental, if I may borrow a line.


Nobody in the Pentagon is going to cross James Mattis who as everyone knows smiles at you but has a plan for everyone in the building.

Trump said in his campaign he'd "fire the generals" yet all he's done is hire generals and reup other generals and admirals.

After Trump tossed CJCS Marine General "Fighting Joe" Dunford off the National Security Council Mattis smiled and Gen. Dunford was reinstated. Trump successfully nominated Gen. Dunford for a second (and final) two-year term as CJCS. Trump said he wanted to fire the general in command in Afghanistan then went silent and the four-star is still there and getting more troops besides.

I'd say Trump is pumping blue smoke and he's all mirrors but then again he's not smart enough to have any kind of plan or purpose beyond himself.



He’s smart enough to successfully bamboozle us.
 
Trump isn't playing the same stupid game that Obama did in saying that we would never use nuclear weapons first. That's why Trump once said, "why have nuclear weapons if we aren't going to use them"? Obama played stupid. Trump is playing poker, as in bluffing. In order to make bluffing work, you've gotta make the other side believe you actually would. These left wing idiots, like this general, are buying Trump's bluffs and making it harder for Trump to bluff effectively. The left really need to get their heads out of their asses and wake up to reality and quit being so stupid. It's downright embarrassing.


It's unfortunate you are embarrassed. No need to be. Obama confirmed he would not use nuclear weapons first which is normal and rational while Trump rattled off scatterbrained stuff about why have nuclear weapons if we're not going to use them. No national leader in his right mind sounds or conducts himself as Trump does. Trump and Kim being in control of global war and peace is the worst idea imaginable.

You shamelessly identify as a reckless and irresponsible Trumpeteer when you call General Hyten a "left wing idiot." You know virtually nothing about Air Force Gen. Hyten who was for instance director of Space Forces operations at Central Command Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom. Space Forces operations included GPS, Space Based Infrared Systems, Advanced Extremely High Frequency satellites and telescopes integrated to ground-based radars and ground-based telescopes of intelligence, reconnaissance, communications and the like. In short, while any military operation is a coordinated and integrated team effort, we couldn't have done it in the way we did it without Gen. Hyten.

Gen. Hyten is a graduate of Harvard Air Force Rotc, the Air Command and Staff College and was commander, Air Force Space Command. So it could seem Gen. Hyten is one of those many generals who Trump knows more than they do -- which is all of 'em eh. Gen. Hyten got his first star during the GW Bush presidency btw. Trump said he would "fire the generals" so maybe the statement is only Trump being his blowhard self.

Youse over there seem not to like that an illegal order is a fact and reality, and that history has proved an illegal order must needs be rejected by legitimate authority. Which confirms absolutely Trump is an ignoramus moron who is undisputed leader of the likeminded.
 
He’s smart enough to successfully bamboozle us.


Not the majority of Americans and not the majority of voters.

Not all Trump supporters have been bamboozled into it however. Some of youse believe in tearing everything down to start again from a radically different paradigm. Mussolini comes to mind. Very much so in fact. Trumpolini.
 
It's unfortunate you are embarrassed. No need to be. Obama confirmed he would not use nuclear weapons first which is normal and rational while Trump rattled off scatterbrained stuff about why have nuclear weapons if we're not going to use them. No national leader in his right mind sounds or conducts himself as Trump does. Trump and Kim being in control of global war and peace is the worst idea imaginable.

You shamelessly identify as a reckless and irresponsible Trumpeteer when you call General Hyten a "left wing idiot." You know virtually nothing about Air Force Gen. Hyten who was for instance director of Space Forces operations at Central Command Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom. Space Forces operations included GPS, Space Based Infrared Systems, Advanced Extremely High Frequency satellites and telescopes integrated to ground-based radars and ground-based telescopes of intelligence, reconnaissance, communications and the like. In short, while any military operation is a coordinated and integrated team effort, we couldn't have done it in the way we did it without Gen. Hyten.

Gen. Hyten is a graduate of Harvard Air Force Rotc, the Air Command and Staff College and was commander, Air Force Space Command. So it could seem Gen. Hyten is one of those many generals who Trump knows more than they do -- which is all of 'em eh. Gen. Hyten got his first star during the GW Bush presidency btw. Trump said he would "fire the generals" so maybe the statement is only Trump being his blowhard self.

Youse over there seem not to like that an illegal order is a fact and reality, and that history has proved an illegal order must needs be rejected by legitimate authority. Which confirms absolutely Trump is an ignoramus moron who is undisputed leader of the likeminded.

It's downright stupid to let the "enemy" know your game plan ahead of time, which Obama did numerous times. In the old days armies used to stand in a line out in the open and just start shooting at each other. When the colonists did that against the Indians the Indians were amazed at how stupid the colonists were. The colonists quickly learned that if they were going to fight the Indians and expect to win they couldn't just stand in a line out in the open any more. Many victories are won by the element of surprise. When you tell your enemy ahead of time that you aren't going to be the first one to use nukes then you have given your enemy the advantage. Hell, even Kennedy and Reagan kept the first nuke strike option open.
 
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