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Keystone Pipeline leaks 210,000 gallons of oil in South Dakota

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Keystone Pipeline leaks 210,000 gallons of oil in South Dakota | Fox News

AMHERST, S.D. – TransCanada Corp.'s Keystone pipeline leaked an estimated 210,000 gallons of oil in northeastern South Dakota, the company and state regulators reported Thursday.Crews shut down the pipeline Thursday morning and activated emergency response procedures after a drop in pressure was detected resulting from the leak south of a pump station in Marshall County, TransCanada said in a statement. The cause was being investigated.
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Geeee....who coulda seen that coming? :shock:
 
Dragonfly said:
Keystone Pipeline leaks 210,000 gallons of oil in South Dakota | Fox News



Geeee....who coulda seen that coming? :shock:
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Do you know how many 10's of thousands of miles of oil and gas pipelines currently run underneath our Cities, States and Communities ?

Almost 75,000 miles not counting Keystone. So should we start digging them all up to prevent impending leaks ? Or is Keystone the only one you have a problem with ?

Partisan grudges ( and make no mistake, thats what the opposition to Keystone is all about ) shouldn't be allowed to inhibit economic progress or expand our infrastructure
 
Fenton said:
Do you know how many 10's of thousands of miles of oil and gas pipelines currently run underneath our Cities, States and Communities ?
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Few do, but locally more do after a east-west pipeline blew out a few years ago, just on the west side of downtown. Fortunately on one was injured but the developer had to demolish several homes under construction.

Fenton said:
Partisan grudges ( and make no mistake, thats what the opposition to Keystone is all about ) shouldn't be allowed to inhibit economic progress or expand our infrastructure
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That's all very well, but Keystone is a method to get Canadian oil to Gulf ports for shipment overseas. It has almost no influence on economic progress, nor does it expand our infrastructure.
 
FieldTheorist said:
Huh, that's just so odd. I never thought that would have happened. It's a problem with modern society, all of these bad things just keep on happening, but there's no one here to warn us. Oh well. Say, how's the Dakota Access Pipeline? Have we started making a killing off of that yet?
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How long until: the protesters sabotaged it!
 
Fenton said:
Do you know how many 10's of thousands of miles of oil and gas pipelines currently run underneath our Cities, States and Communities ?
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Do you know how many are rationally comparable to Keystone?



There are plenty of pipelines. That's not the point. Taking many risks doesn't necessarily mean that adding more risk doesn't matter, but that is exactly how you're trying to use it. Do I really have to say that?

The question is whether the added risk is worth the benefits.
 
Mr Person said:
I wonder how many jobs cleaning it up will create.


I do hope we get something for letting Canada to ship oil to the refineries in the south for world market sale in exchange for this risk. Maybe we can make them build the wall?
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I'm no expert on the types of jobs it will create but thinking about it... It is oil seeping into the ground which creates oily slippery mud a lot like sludge. That means the jobs it will create are either the same or worse then shoveling poo!
 
dennis31 said:
Few do, but locally more do after a east-west pipeline blew out a few years ago, just on the west side of downtown. Fortunately on one was injured but the developer had to demolish several homes under construction.



That's all very well, but Keystone is a method to get Canadian oil to Gulf ports for shipment overseas. It has almost no influence on economic progress, nor does it expand our infrastructure.
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Here's an alternative to pipelines...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-Mégantic_rail_disaster

That was a train moving oil from North Dakota. 42 bodies were found, five other missing and presumed consumed in the fire.
It did have an effect on our infrastructure. They're still rebuilding.
 
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Who knew the environment could be so complicated, Trump?

Who knew?
 
Fenton said:
Do you know how many 10's of thousands of miles of oil and gas pipelines currently run underneath our Cities, States and Communities ?

Almost 75,000 miles not counting Keystone. So should we start digging them all up to prevent impending leaks ? Or is Keystone the only one you have a problem with ?

Partisan grudges ( and make no mistake, thats what the opposition to Keystone is all about ) shouldn't be allowed to inhibit economic progress or expand our infrastructure
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I will assume that you are not being dishonest here, but really don't know what is actually in tar sands oil. It's not the same kind of oil that runs in pipelines beneath our cities. In fact, it's not crude oil at all. It is liquefied bitumen, which is much thicker than oil. At room temperature, liquefied bitumen has the consistency of peanut butter, so other chemicals must be added to it in order to dilute it. The resulting product, known as dilbit, is still much thicker than crude. This means that pressure is much greater in pipelines which transport it, compared to pipelines which transport conventional oil, which lends to a much greater possibility of a pipeline leaking or rupturing, as what has happened here. The Indians said that Keystone would ruin the land and water of Native tribes. The Indians were right. Keystone is a man-made disaster in the making, and it won't end with this spill. There will be more of them to come.
 
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Everyone saw this coming.
 
Winston said:
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Who knew the environment could be so complicated, Trump?

Who knew?
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Caught him red-handed with that tweet! Maybe Trump will make a statement, apologizing to the Native Americans.:joke:
 
danarhea said:
I will assume that you are not being dishonest here, but really don't know what is actually in tar sands oil. It's not the same kind of oil that runs in pipelines beneath our cities. In fact, it's not crude oil at all. It is liquefied bitumen, which is much thicker than oil. At room temperature, liquefied bitumen has the consistency of peanut butter, so other chemicals must be added to it in order to dilute it. The resulting product, known as dilbit, is still much thicker than crude. This means that pressure is much greater in pipelines which transport it, compared to pipelines which transport conventional oil, which lends to a much greater possibility of a pipeline leaking or rupturing, as what has happened here. The Indians said that Keystone would ruin the land and water of Native tribes. The Indians were right. Keystone is a man-made disaster in the making, and it won't end with this spill. There will be more of them to come.
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We also might want to consider diameter.


Don't forget girth! :D
 
Fenton said:
Do you know how many 10's of thousands of miles of oil and gas pipelines currently run underneath our Cities, States and Communities ?

Almost 75,000 miles not counting Keystone. So should we start digging them all up to prevent impending leaks ? Or is Keystone the only one you have a problem with ?

Partisan grudges ( and make no mistake, thats what the opposition to Keystone is all about ) shouldn't be allowed to inhibit economic progress or expand our infrastructure
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Uh, we could have stopped Keystone, based on exactly this reason, which they swore wouldnt happen.
 
Mr Person said:
I wonder how many jobs cleaning it up will create.


I do hope we get something for letting Canada to ship oil to the refineries in the south for world market sale in exchange for this risk. Maybe we can make them build the wall?
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Cleaning up BPs mess was nearly a 45k payout for less then six months of work.

So I think I should volunteer for this, and make sure all of my certifications are up to date.
 
Winston said:
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Who knew the environment could be so complicated, Trump?

Who knew?
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Who knew that this was the possibility of what a pipeline could lead too. Who knew?

Who knew that no project spanning such a distance, would possibly encounter such problems? Who knew?

Who knew that the rest of the thin skinned lemmings would use this as another inane attack on the president? "We have called this already"
 
My question was how can so much spill (5,000 barrels) if the leak was detected when the pressure dropped?

My quick search-
Calculation of the Hourly Pumping Rate, Keystone XL Pipeline, for Spill Planning Discussion
Daily Cos, which I wouldn't use if I could find something less partisan.


It says the rate is 576 barrels per minute

So, less than 10 minutes to shut pumps off and close valves. The article also discusses oil in the pipe between the spill point and the valve, so less time to reach that volume.

Reasonable with a high pressured system, just guessing.
 
Oborosen said:
Who knew that this was the possibility of what a pipeline could lead too. Who knew?

Who knew that no project spanning such a distance, would possibly encounter such problems? Who knew?
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So, "no downside" was more lie than ignorance?
 
Grand Mal said:
Here's an alternative to pipelines...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-Mégantic_rail_disaster

That was a train moving oil from North Dakota. 42 bodies were found, five other missing and presumed consumed in the fire.
It did have an effect on our infrastructure. They're still rebuilding.
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This is the most important point. And....

I was for the XL Pipeline mostly for political reasons. Obama's EPA was mostly concerned with long term CO2 issues. Obama miscalculated badly in going along with them.
Trump won the election, and that was a big factor IMHO.
 
Nebraska is going to be voting to make a decision in a couple days whether to allow TC to gain access to land. Environment issues aside, our residents do not want their land taken and/or tampered with and I hope their rights are kept. This leak should help them make the right decision.
 
ecofarm said:
So, "no downside" was more lie than ignorance?
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There would have been no downside, had the whole project worked without a hitch.

That is an extreme rarity in any case.
 
Oborosen said:
There would have been no downside, had the whole project worked without a hitch.

That is an extreme rarity in any case.
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Then it was fantasy?
 
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