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Get ready to meet 'The Beast:' Tesla's semi-truck rolls out tonight

Absentglare said:
The negative externalities from pollution are real costs with actual monetary values. The public covers literally all of those costs.

The fact is, coal wouldn't be so profitable if the energy companies that burn it had to pay the medical bills of the people who suffer and die as a result of the atmospheric contamination that results. Attempting to exclude those costs is not honest, as clean air is a tangible asset.
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Just think, there won't be any pollution from producing all that increased electricity. No more coal burning, oil burning, nuclear waste and fallout, nada.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Just think, there won't be any pollution from producing all that increased electricity. No more coal burning, oil burning, nuclear waste and fallout, nada.
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Most of The World Could Be 100% Powered with Renewables by 2050 according to a 2050 roadmap.

https://www.sciencealert.com/most-of-the-world-could-be-100-powered-by-renewables-by-2050

Renewables also accounted for almost two-thirds of net new power capacity around the world in 2016.

https://www.iea.org/publications/renewables2017/
 
Bergslagstroll said:
Most of The World Could Be 100% Powered with Renewables by 2050 according to a 2050 roadmap.

https://www.sciencealert.com/most-of-the-world-could-be-100-powered-by-renewables-by-2050

Renewables also accounted for almost two-thirds of net new power capacity around the world in 2016.

https://www.iea.org/publications/renewables2017/
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https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9647424

Two of the newly, tho long available, crops for sourcing easily sustained and renewable energy are sawgrass and bamboo. Go learn about the amount of pollution caused by overproducing both. This conversation must include the key word "balance." Vegetarians tend to live longer than omnivores, at least a few years. Vegans seem to die before vegetarians and omnivores from organ failure. The three regions with the most people living more than 100 years, Sardinia, the Caucasus Mountains and part of eastern Turkey, have populations that are omnivores. The Dalai Lama eats meat at least twice per week. Yet strict vegans will swear you are committing suicide if you eat meat. Claiming renewables are the answer for energy makes me think of vegans and their mythologies. What do I know?
 
OldFatGuy said:
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9647424

Two of the newly, tho long available, crops for sourcing easily sustained and renewable energy are sawgrass and bamboo. Go learn about the amount of pollution caused by overproducing both. This conversation must include the key word "balance." Vegetarians tend to live longer than omnivores, at least a few years. Vegans seem to die before vegetarians and omnivores from organ failure. The three regions with the most people living more than 100 years, Sardinia, the Caucasus Mountains and part of eastern Turkey, have populations that are omnivores. The Dalai Lama eats meat at least twice per week. Yet strict vegans will swear you are committing suicide if you eat meat. Claiming renewables are the answer for energy makes me think of vegans and their mythologies. What do I know?
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The basis for that study is that it’s possible to accomplish 100 percent renewables in most countries in the world without bioenergy.

In that study, it was found that matching large differences between high electrical demand and low renewable supply could be realized largely by using a combination of either (1) substantial CSP storage plus batteries with zero change in existing hydropower annual energy output or peak power discharge rate, (2) modest CSP storage with no batteries and zero change in the existing hydropower annual energy output but a substantial increase in hydropower’s peak discharge rate, (3) increases in CSP-storage, batteries, and heat pumps, but no thermal energy storage and no increase in hydropower’s peak discharge rate or annual energy output, or (4) a combination of (1), (2), and (3). Thus, there were multiple solutions for matching peak Joule 1, 108–121, September 6, 2017 115 demand with supply 100% of the time for 5 years without bioenergy, nuclear, power, fossil fuels with carbon capture, or natural gas.
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https://web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/jacobson/Articles/I/CountriesWWS.pdf (page 9)

So, it will become even easier to accomplish 100 percent renewables if you include biofuels which I also think you should. For example, biofuels for district heating in Sweden are obtained in the form of residual products from plants such as sawmills and other woodworking plants, and from unused branches and treetops in forestry. That would else just have gone to waste.

District heating

While at the same time not all form of biofuel is good and should be used like you point out in your post. For example, ethanol can lead to pollutions and use a lot of land. While the same can be said about today’s meat consumption. That to feed all the animals for food in North America and Europe you need massive amount of soy. There a large part of that soy is cultivated in South America there it leads to deforestation and threatens wildlife and biodiversity.

Soy, you & deforestation | WWF

Meat Atlas: facts and figures about the animals we eat | Friends of the Earth Europe

That it doesn’t mean that people should stop eat meat, but for many people it can work to eat less meat. For example, trying great Indian and Mediterranean dishes that often are vegetarian or consist of less meat.
 
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Bergslagstroll said:
The basis for that study is that it’s possible to accomplish 100 percent renewables in most countries in the world without bioenergy.

https://web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/jacobson/Articles/I/CountriesWWS.pdf (page 9)

So, it will become even easier to accomplish 100 percent renewables if you include biofuels which I also think you should. For example, biofuels for district heating in Sweden are obtained in the form of residual products from plants such as sawmills and other woodworking plants, and from unused branches and treetops in forestry. That would else just have gone to waste.

District heating

While at the same time not all form of biofuel is good and should be used like you point out in your post. For example, ethanol can lead to pollutions and use a lot of land. While the same can be said about today’s meat consumption. That to feed all the animals for food in North America and Europe you need massive amount of soy. There a large part of that soy is cultivated in South America there it leads to deforestation and threatens wildlife and biodiversity.

Soy, you & deforestation | WWF

Meat Atlas: facts and figures about the animals we eat | Friends of the Earth Europe

That it doesn’t mean that people should stop eat meat, but for many people it can work to eat less meat. For example, trying great Indian and Mediterranean dishes that often are vegetarian or consist of less meat.
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The problem with studies is who does them and their agendas.

The majors sources of cattle feed in this country are grasses, other grains, specifically maize (corn), and silage (waste from grains harvested for human consumption). Soy is too expensive for most cattle ranches and wholesalers preparing cattle for slaughter, but soy silage is affordable. Most soy consumption is with pet foods. We spend more as nation on feeding pets than we do raising children. Which explains teenage angst and depression, while dogs and cats rule with smiles on their faces. :)

Sweden is weird. Here we use sawdust for making compressed wood products like the press board used in construction and cheap furniture manufacture, not as fuel or food. In Sweden, sawdust is a recommended flour additive. Here it is outlawed from flour.

80% of the world's soybean production comes from the US, Argentina and Brazil. Most of the balance by China, which imports 70-80% of the world's soybean crops, almost all of imported soy is used to produce soy oil for cooking. They uses the silage to feed poultry and pork, feed for fish farms. The Chinese use soy oil for cooking, machine lubricants and as an additive to diesel fuel in factories. It is less expensive than diesel oil and other additives. Equally as polluting.

In India, meat has been traditionally more expensive than vegetable produce. The Hindi worship cows and don't eat them. Mutton, goat, pig, and poultry are the major sources of meat in the Indian diets. Outside of meats, fish are the major source of proteins in the Indian diets, especially in coastal regions where the majority of population resides. As India's middle class grows, meat consumption rises. The Mediterranean diet is famous for substituting fish for meat as a protein source. With depletion of the fisheries, Mickey Dee's are spreading and growing popular in Mediterranean countries. So is obesity.

What "could be" has little to do with what "is."

While walking the dog this morning, I ran into a woman in the neighborhood who I have known for 20 years. She's been a strict vegan. She's recently been diagnosed with pre-cancerous pancreatis. As part of her therapy, she must consume at least 6 ounces of ungulate products daily. Whole milk and cheeses so far. Nothing in this world is what it seems.
 
OldFatGuy said:
The problem with studies is who does them and their agendas.

The majors sources of cattle feed in this country are grasses, other grains, specifically maize (corn), and silage (waste from grains harvested for human consumption). Soy is too expensive for most cattle ranches and wholesalers preparing cattle for slaughter, but soy silage is affordable. Most soy consumption is with pet foods. We spend more as nation on feeding pets than we do raising children. Which explains teenage angst and depression, while dogs and cats rule with smiles on their faces. :)

Sweden is weird. Here we use sawdust for making compressed wood products like the press board used in construction and cheap furniture manufacture, not as fuel or food. In Sweden, sawdust is a recommended flour additive. Here it is outlawed from flour.

80% of the world's soybean production comes from the US, Argentina and Brazil. Most of the balance by China, which imports 70-80% of the world's soybean crops, almost all of imported soy is used to produce soy oil for cooking. They uses the silage to feed poultry and pork, feed for fish farms. The Chinese use soy oil for cooking, machine lubricants and as an additive to diesel fuel in factories. It is less expensive than diesel oil and other additives. Equally as polluting.

In India, meat has been traditionally more expensive than vegetable produce. The Hindi worship cows and don't eat them. Mutton, goat, pig, and poultry are the major sources of meat in the Indian diets. Outside of meats, fish are the major source of proteins in the Indian diets, especially in coastal regions where the majority of population resides. As India's middle class grows, meat consumption rises. The Mediterranean diet is famous for substituting fish for meat as a protein source. With depletion of the fisheries, Mickey Dee's are spreading and growing popular in Mediterranean countries. So is obesity.

What "could be" has little to do with what "is."

While walking the dog this morning, I ran into a woman in the neighborhood who I have known for 20 years. She's been a strict vegan. She's recently been diagnosed with pre-cancerous pancreatis. As part of her therapy, she must consume at least 6 ounces of ungulate products daily. Whole milk and cheeses so far. Nothing in this world is what it seems.
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The study was done by around 30 different scientists most of them from Stanford University. What reason do you have for question their findings?

100% Clean and Renewable Wind, Water, and Sunlight All-Sector Energy Roadmaps for 139 Countries of the World - ScienceDirect

Also, I wrote in my previous post, renewables accounted for almost two-thirds of net new power capacity around the world in 2016.
https://www.iea.org/publications/renewables2017/

Solar panels are also a very good way to drastically improve the life of the very poor in developing countries.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/pierce-nahigyan/solar-power-is-freeing-ru_b_10564586.html

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We also make for example compressed wood in Sweden. Still not all residue and parts of the tree can be used so it than much better to use it for heat instead of making it go to waste. The same with all the excess heat from industries that can be used in district heating instead of going to waste. Also, I don’t know what you mean by that we in Sweden use sawdust in our flour?

If you look at India they still eat drastically less meat than western countries. Also, Indian and Mediterranean foods are just one of many inspirations if you want to eat less meat. There you today also have modern substitutes. One things with today capitalist society is that customers are exposed to a lot more ads for fast food places than tips on eating less meat and healthier food.

https://data.oecd.org/agroutput/meat-consumption.htm

Also, you can also what you should or not do to make meat cheap. For example, in USA it’s allowed to mix in synthetic hormones with the feedstock because it haven’t been proven conclusive to be unsafe. While in EU that practices are banned because it hasn’t been proven conclusive to be safe.

Also, USA and some countries in the EU use a lot of antibiotics to make livestock grow faster and make meat cheaper. While countries like Sweden have laws that make the use of antibiotics a lot stricter to avoid multiresistent bacteria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibiotic_use_in_livestock
 
Bergslagstroll said:
The study was done by around 30 different scientists most of them from Stanford University. What reason do you have for question their findings?

100% Clean and Renewable Wind, Water, and Sunlight All-Sector Energy Roadmaps for 139 Countries of the World - ScienceDirect

Also, I wrote in my previous post, renewables accounted for almost two-thirds of net new power capacity around the world in 2016.
https://www.iea.org/publications/renewables2017/

Solar panels are also a very good way to drastically improve the life of the very poor in developing countries.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/pierce-nahigyan/solar-power-is-freeing-ru_b_10564586.html

Pardon Our Interruption

We also make for example compressed wood in Sweden. Still not all residue and parts of the tree can be used so it than much better to use it for heat instead of making it go to waste. The same with all the excess heat from industries that can be used in district heating instead of going to waste. Also, I don’t know what you mean by that we in Sweden use sawdust in our flour?

If you look at India they still eat drastically less meat than western countries. Also, Indian and Mediterranean foods are just one of many inspirations if you want to eat less meat. There you today also have modern substitutes. One things with today capitalist society is that customers are exposed to a lot more ads for fast food places than tips on eating less meat and healthier food.

https://data.oecd.org/agroutput/meat-consumption.htm

Also, you can also what you should or not do to make meat cheap. For example, in USA it’s allowed to mix in synthetic hormones with the feedstock because it haven’t been proven conclusive to be unsafe. While in EU that practices are banned because it hasn’t been proven conclusive to be safe.

Also, USA and some countries in the EU use a lot of antibiotics to make livestock grow faster and make meat cheaper. While countries like Sweden have laws that make the use of antibiotics a lot stricter to avoid multiresistent bacteria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibiotic_use_in_livestock
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The average lifespan in China, 75.99 yrs, 78.84 in the US. India 68.4. Using this data, India needs to eat more meat. Now you know why I don't trust food studies. Energy studies are very dependent upon the agendas of those who create them. Sweden is still weird.

During the last few weeks, my oncologist said to stop drinking all alcoholic beverages, my cardiologist told me to drink more red wine and my internist told be to drink more beer to help me with digestion. So I'm sipping a glass of bourbon with angostura bitters this afternoon. An Old Fashioned. Oncologists admit they know the least, right next to neurologists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pjAQIyg3bk
 
OldFatGuy said:
The average lifespan in China, 75.99 yrs, 78.84 in the US. India 68.4. Using this data, India needs to eat more meat. Now you know why I don't trust food studies. Energy studies are very dependent upon the agendas of those who create them. Sweden is still weird.

During the last few weeks, my oncologist said to stop drinking all alcoholic beverages, my cardiologist told me to drink more red wine and my internist told be to drink more beer to help me with digestion. So I'm sipping a glass of bourbon with angostura bitters this afternoon. An Old Fashioned. Oncologists admit they know the least, right next to neurologists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pjAQIyg3bk
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Japan have a lot smaller consumption of meat compared to Western countries and at the same time have the World’s highest life expectancy. So at least a country doesn’t need a high meat consumption amongst its population to have a high life expectancy among its people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

My country Sweden is doing well. For example, Sweden is the best country for business according to Forbes.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017...ost-other-countries-at-just-about-everything/

Sweden Is also one of the most sustainable countries in the world.

How Sweden Became the World?s Most Sustainable Country: Top 5 Reasons

https://sweden.se/nature/7-examples-of-sustainability-in-sweden/

Swedes is also on of the most gender equal countries in the world.

https://www.thelocal.se/20161026/swedes-named-fourth-most-gender-equal-in-the-world

https://www.thelocal.se/20171122/how-swedes-feel-about-gender-equality-study

Sweden is also a good place to raise a family thanks to a strong welfare state.

https://sweden.se/society/10-things-that-make-sweden-family-friendly/

https://www.thelocal.se/20150414/is-sweden-top-in-the-world-for-expat-families
 
Sweden is still weird. :8)

There is no such thing as gender equality. Women simply allow men to think they are in control.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Sweden is still weird. :8)

There is no such thing as gender equality. Women simply allow men to think they are in control.
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I think it easy to believe that people in other countries are a bit weird. Like for example why do you Americans wear outdoor shoes indoors? Also, how can you drink root beer?:)

There is real need for more gender equality. For example that 80 percent of nominations for top jobs in the Trump administration have gone to men.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...the-most-male-dominated-government-in-decades

Also, it’s not like Trump his hiring the best people for the job. Take for example Michael Flynn that was forced to resign from the position as national security adviser after 24 days and now risk criminal charges.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...vidence-to-charge-flynn-son-nbc-idUSKBN1D50VE

You also have Anthony Scaramucci that lasted only 10 days as White House communications director.

Anthony Scaramucci: Fired from the White House after 10 days - BBC News

You also have Sam Clovis, who was nominated to become Department of Agriculture’s chief scientist without any academic credentials in science or agriculture. He also had to withdraw his nomination because his connection to Robert Mueller’s ongoing Russia investigation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...d-science-credentials/?utm_term=.898398fe7d4c
 
Here are some more companies that developed electric trucks or self-driving trucks. Also, some companies that develop both technologies.

https://translate.google.se/transla...84254#conversion-122831618&edit-text=&act=url

You also have trials with electrified roads. For example, in Sweden we have a road trial with a rail in the road that will work for both cars and trucks at Sweden's international airport Arlanda.

https://eroadarlanda.com/swedens-first-electric-lorry-truck/

We also have road trial with powerlines that will work for trucks outside of Gävle.

https://www.thelocal.se/20170120/ha...e-how-the-worlds-first-electric-highway-works
 
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