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Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32[W:122]

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Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

MateoMtnClimber said:
Amen.
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Is Spacey or Weinstein running for office?

Hadn’t seen that....

I remember well the liberals and Democrats supporting slick willie during the Monica issues.....

only I remember them saying stuff like it’s only sex, or consenting adults, or something similar

The trump allegations aren’t even about sex....at least that I have seen....him groping women mostly

The Moore stuff is a bit more disconcerting.....but it is from 40years ago....and it is mostly a he said she said scenario

I think both parties have their degenerates....and maybe Moore is one of ours

But cut the crap...this is about the politics and we all know it....

Sex and politicians has been a dirty secret for a long long time....now it just is fuel for the fire and if it can sway an election one way or another, either party is going to try and use it

We have no morals anymore....on either side....and that is the shame
 
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gdgyva said:
Is Spacey or Weinstein running for office?

Hadn’t seen that....

I remember well the liberals and Democrats supporting slick willie during the Monica issues.....

only I remember them saying stuff like it’s only sex, or consenting adults, or something similar

The trump allegations aren’t even about sex....at least that I have seen....him groping women mostly

The Moore stuff is a bit more disconcerting.....but it is from 40years ago....and it is mostly a he said she said scenario

I think both parties have their degenerates....and maybe Moore is one of ours

But cut the crap...this is about the politics and we all know it....

Sex and politicians has been a dirty secret for a long long time....now it just is fuel for the fire and if it can sway an election one way or another, either party is going to try and use it

We have no morals anymore....on either side....and that is the shame
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Speak for yourself.
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

gdgyva said:
I remember well the liberals and Democrats supporting slick willie during the Monica issues.....
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Not presidential at all, but there is nothing illegal when adults mutually consent to engage in a sexual act.

gdgyva said:
The trump allegations aren’t even about sex....at least that I have seen....him groping women mostly
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If there is no penetration, non-consensual sexual groping is a criminal offense ... either Sexual Battery or Criminal Sexual Conduct in the 2[sup]nd[/sup] to 4[sup]th[/sup] degree.

gdgyva said:
The Moore stuff is a bit more disconcerting.....but it is from 40years ago....and it is mostly a he said she said scenario
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Disconcerting because there are 4 accusers and roughly 34 people who remember the incidents including a fellow DA.

In addition, supplying a minor with alcohol is also a criminal offense.

gdgyva said:
We have no morals anymore....
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Disagree. And not everyone attempts to excuse/absolve such reprehensible behavior.
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

Fenton Lum said:
This disease, this way of looking at all life, and the planet, rolled out over the tribes of Europe first. We are all the decedents of tribes and a spiritual perceptual reality of the universe and the creator. That memory has been wiped out of white consciousness pretty much, our enslavement having happened long before the disease rolled out across the rest of the planet via colonialism and proselytizing.

That perceptual reality was replaced with a male dominator god perceptual reality which gave rise to the notion that this male dominator god gave mankind, only the “chosen ones” mind you, dominion over the natural world, the planet, anything they “discovered”, and any other human beings they could manage to whip into consent. So you bring that into a technological perceptual reality era where we are now, and we’ve all been enslaved to/by an economic system that has no other purpose than to continue the colonialization of all human beings, further redistributing and concentrating wealth into the pockets of fewer and fewer, much of that wealth coming from the natural world that was in place long before the humans who manipulate it into their own hands. In the same manner the system mines uranium or coal or gold, it also mines the energy, spirit, and soul of the human being to run these authoritarian systems that enslave us all. In essence, they mine the being part of the human being. Think about your own experiences in the corporate world if you have them.

And so all of this racism, classism, sexism, religion, et.al. arises from the system’s need to keep the masses quibbling amongst themselves. The same applies to the american political system; it is designed to prevent any gathering of the masses against the aristocracy. It’s an illusion, this democracy and liberty. You have ostensibly “two” political parties who very comfortably don’t really have to do anything at all except point at the “other” party and with your consent present them as evil and scary; disconnected from what? Well, they’re not “real” americans like you and they don’t bow as deeply to the male dominator god as you do. Again, go back and look at Bacon’s Rebellion and the aftermath. The power structure learned that lesson very well. The system also learned very well from the 60-70s / the Viet Nam War / Civil Rights era, the last large scale questioning of our authoritarian system. The beast is bigger and stronger now.

It’s useful for all of us to go back and study our tribal ancestry, go dig into how they got “civilized”, invariably, it was anything but civil, that’s the great lie, it was very brutal stuff, they had to be brutalized into “accepting” the proper perceptual reality, and thus consent. And so now that the colonialism has become globalism, the power structure no longer has any national affiliations at all. That’s for YOU to hold onto, again, because it will feed into the unsubstantial people’s fighting amongst themselves so the system doesn’t have to, and so that the unsubstantial people will line up to go to war and die in endless wars over resources and turf someone else sits on that the system covets. It’s really no different than the manner in which any street gang goes after turf.

We have been with our own consent and participation indoctrinated into submission, consent, and acceptance of this authoritarian system that runs on our energy and labor just as surely as we’ve all been indoctrinated into hating and distrusting the only possible allies we have in this authoritarian system. But we're all oh so Godlike and Godly.
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Sorry, but anything that detailed and committed needs some citation.
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

MateoMtnClimber said:
*Raises hand*
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And I feel you on that one, one hell of a thing to have to sit through that, and then watch her come out in actual support of "victims" during her campaign.

Disgusting display if you ask me.
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

MateoMtnClimber said:
Speak for yourself.
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Exactly. And morals are subjective, anyway. What one considers moral, another may consider immoral.

Personally, I consider pedophilia and child molestation immoral. Apparently some, though ---
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

Superfly said:
Exactly. And morals are subjective, anyway. What one considers moral, another may consider immoral.

Personally, I consider pedophilia and child molestation immoral. Apparently some, though ---
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Even though morals are subjective, the idealist in me always hopes that some things can escape moral nihilism.

Like do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Like sexually abusing children is bad. Like sacrificing your ethical core for political points is teaching our young people that nothing really matters except winning and in the process of winning, obliterating your opponent (read now as enemy).
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

Bucky said:
We have to look at each situation case by case. I have dated girls under the age of 16. Am I proud of it? Of course not, however, let's not judge until all the facts of the case come out.
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wait, what? how old were you?
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

Fearandloathing said:
Sorry, but anything that detailed and committed needs some citation.
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Or you can do your own due diligence, or ignore it all, your choice, I don't mind. Or you could select a point and argue it.
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

Fenton Lum said:
Or you can do your own due diligence, or ignore it all, your choice, I don't mind. Or you could select a point and argue it.
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the reply of an author unable to defend his own post
 
Judge Moore needs to convert to Islam. If he did, then he could legitimately have sex with a 9 year old as the Prophet did. In that case the girl would have been at the age of consent for 5 years by the time she was 14.
 
Garion13a5 said:
Judge Moore needs to convert to Islam. If he did, then he could legitimately have sex with a 9 year old as the Prophet did. In that case the girl would have been at the age of consent for 5 years by the time she was 14.
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Only if Moore is also seen as the Prophet for the 21st Century. There are Muslim scholars who believe Aisha was about 14-15 years old when the marriage was consummated several years after the ceremony, until that day she had remained with her family.
 
Well, that not what the Koran says. And the Muslim World can't believe it either as they're busy screwing kids witless.
 
Garion13a5 said:
Well, that not what the Koran says. And the Muslim World can't believe it either as they're busy screwing kids witless.
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You really shouldn't rely on Islamophobic websites for 'information' about the faith. There is no mention in the Quran of Aisha bint Abu Bakr's age at the time of her marriage to the Prophet. There are various accounts within the Hadith which do say she was six or seven at the time of marriage and nine or ten years of age at the time of consummation. Scholars believe the young age, which was only put into writing a couple hundred years after her death, was used only as an indicator of her virginity and is not to be seen as her actual age. Muhammed's first two wives were not virgins when he married them.

A teenage consummation makes more sense as Aisha became the defacto leader of the faith following the death of the Prophet. As they were only married for nine years, it is unlikely that a woman of 17 or 18 would have been viewed as mature enough and knowledgeable enough to lead the faithful.
 
The Muslim World accepts the age of 9 and child marriage and sex are accepted across the Muslim World.
Somerville said:
You really shouldn't rely on Islamophobic websites for 'information' about the faith. There is no mention in the Quran of Aisha bint Abu Bakr's age at the time of her marriage to the Prophet. There are various accounts within the Hadith which do say she was six or seven at the time of marriage and nine or ten years of age at the time of consummation. Scholars believe the young age, which was only put into writing a couple hundred years after her death, was used only as an indicator of her virginity and is not to be seen as her actual age. Muhammed's first two wives were not virgins when he married them.

A teenage consummation makes more sense as Aisha became the defacto leader of the faith following the death of the Prophet. As they were only married for nine years, it is unlikely that a woman of 17 or 18 would have been viewed as mature enough and knowledgeable enough to lead the faithful.
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Garion13a5 said:
The Muslim World accepts the age of 9 and child marriage and sex are accepted across the Muslim World.
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As a point of fact. The legal minimum age for Islamic marriage is 18 for men and 12 for women.

None of this appliese to the hebephile Moore, who has been comprehensively shown to be entirely unsuitable as a candidate.
 
Garion13a5 said:
The Muslim World accepts the age of 9 and child marriage and sex are accepted across the Muslim World.
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Says who? Pam Gellar? In the real world, Muslims are as divided as Christians on many subjects, child marriage being one of them. Yes, a child may be married for political or financial reasons; however, the marriage may not be consummated until two older women judge the bride to be ready for sex. During the time between marriage and consummation, the girl stays with her family.

If you believe child marriage is wrong, perhaps you should see if it is taking place in your state. More than 200,000 children married in US over the last 15 years

For some reason, in May of this year, that 'good Republican governor, Chris Christie refused to sign a bill into law that would have banned child marriage. His justification was "religious reasons".

At least 207,468 minors married in the US between 2000 and 2015, according to data compiled by Unchained At Last, a group campaigning to abolish child marriage, and investigative documentary series Frontline.

The true figure is likely to be much higher because 10 states provided no or incomplete statistics.
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The youngest wedded were three 10-year-old girls in Tennessee who married men aged 24, 25 and 31 in 2001. The youngest groom was an 11-year-old who married a 27-year-old woman in the same state in 2006.

Children as young as 12 were granted marriage licences in Alaska, Louisiana and South Carolina, while 11 other states allowed 13-year-olds to wed.

More than 1,000 children aged 14 or under were granted marriage licences.
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Do you honestly believe those 'good Christians' in Tennessee, Alaska, Louisiana and South Carolina, would allow them stinkin' Ayrabs to marry innocent children or were the licenses granted because some who call themselves Christian have different views than you and others who hate Muslims.
 
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Bucky said:
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We have to look at each situation case by case. I have dated girls under the age of 16. Am I proud of it? Of course not, however, let's not judge until all the facts of the case come out.
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Wooooooooooooooooooow lol
 
Fletch said:
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If that's the case, then 3 of the 4 in the article were of age. The 14 year old is obviously a problem, but one acknowledged she was 18 at the time, so I am not even sure why she was included in the story.
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Wait, You're OK with molestation if the victim is of age?
 
Fletch said:
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I am not going to argue that 30 year olds dating teens isn't a bit creepy. But it wasn't nearly as creepy 50 years ago. And remember, we are talking about Alabama here too.
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Well that makes ok then. Wtf is wrong with you?
 
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