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Air Force failed to report Texas suspect's convictions to FBI

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Air Force failed to report Texas suspect's convictions to FBI

By Luis Martinez, Jack Date, Trish Turner, Nov 6, 2017, 6:58 PM ET

Air Force failed to report Texas suspect's convictions to FBI - ABC News

The Air Force failed to submit information about Texas church shooting suspect Devin Kelley's convictions to the FBI, the Air Force said today.

The failure was a result of what one law enforcement source described to ABC News as an administrative error. Had the conviction information been entered into the NCIC, the National Instant Criminal Background Check System should have prevented the sale of the firearms Kelley purchased, law enforcement sources said.

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Here we are, 16 years post ****ing 9/11 & this is the kinda **** we get from OUR government? ......................... **** them ....................

If this act, by this individual does not qualify as 'domestic terrorism' then I would suggest that EVERYONE go tell their government to go **** off ............. they dropped the Goddamn ****ing ball ..............
 
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But Texas state denied him carry permit.

How?

Will leftists wise up on the incompetence of BIG gubmint? No in a billion chances.
 
volsrock said:
But Texas state denied him carry permit.

How?

Will leftists wise up on the incompetence of BIG gubmint? No in a billion chances.
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Big Gubber-Mint didn't stop this Gun Nut from purchasing 2 Military style weapons.....
 
So, Mr. Obama, tell us about background checks during your administration.
 
volsrock said:
But Texas state denied him carry permit.

How?

Will leftists wise up on the incompetence of BIG gubmint? No in a billion chances.
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So I assume you feel the same about drug laws right? I mean the laws exist and there are still crimes committed. So what about other laws as well? Should we abandon all laws because some disobey them?
 
He should not have been out of jail anyway. This is what happens when the Lib judicial system gets soft.
 
volsrock said:
But Texas state denied him carry permit.

How?

Will leftists wise up on the incompetence of BIG gubmint? No in a billion chances.
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Probably because Texas DPS, being an LE agency sent in his fingerprints to the FBI and got a case file back and could evaluate the conviction and determine it disqualifying. NICs doesn't go to that level of detail
 
volsrock said:
He should not have been out of jail anyway. This is what happens when the Lib judicial system gets soft.
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so, are YOU naming the US Air Force & the TEXAS judicial systems as 'soft?' ............ So, the 'system is 'libs?'

haha ................ you don't know **** .......................

the system JUST does not pay ****ing attention, PERIOD ....................
 
volsrock said:
So, Mr. Obama, tell us about background checks during your administration.
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congress wouldn't allow any. it got voted down after sandy hook. It was called the manchin-toomey amendment.
 
cuban smokes said:
Air Force failed to report Texas suspect's convictions to FBI

By Luis Martinez, Jack Date, Trish Turner, Nov 6, 2017, 6:58 PM ET

Air Force failed to report Texas suspect's convictions to FBI - ABC News

The Air Force failed to submit information about Texas church shooting suspect Devin Kelley's convictions to the FBI, the Air Force said today.

The failure was a result of what one law enforcement source described to ABC News as an administrative error. Had the conviction information been entered into the NCIC, the National Instant Criminal Background Check System should have prevented the sale of the firearms Kelley purchased, law enforcement sources said.

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Here we are, 16 years post ****ing 9/11 & this is the kinda **** we get from OUR government? ......................... **** them ....................

If this act, by this individual does not qualify as 'domestic terrorism' then I would suggest that EVERYONE go tell their government to go **** off ............. they dropped the Goddamn ****ing ball ..............
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In my view, the incidence of such errors likely won't be materially reduced unless among the following practices and procedures are put in place:

1. A mechanism for accountability for such errors is created and implemented.

2. Redundancy is established when it comes to the functions related to providing such data for the relevant databases.

3. Periodic audits are conducted to evaluate performance and, if necessary, make additional adjustments based on the findings.
 
cuban smokes said:
Air Force failed to report Texas suspect's convictions to FBI

By Luis Martinez, Jack Date, Trish Turner, Nov 6, 2017, 6:58 PM ET

Air Force failed to report Texas suspect's convictions to FBI - ABC News

The Air Force failed to submit information about Texas church shooting suspect Devin Kelley's convictions to the FBI, the Air Force said today.

The failure was a result of what one law enforcement source described to ABC News as an administrative error. Had the conviction information been entered into the NCIC, the National Instant Criminal Background Check System should have prevented the sale of the firearms Kelley purchased, law enforcement sources said.

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Here we are, 16 years post ****ing 9/11 & this is the kinda **** we get from OUR government? ......................... **** them ....................

If this act, by this individual does not qualify as 'domestic terrorism' then I would suggest that EVERYONE go tell their government to go **** off ............. they dropped the Goddamn ****ing ball ..............
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Sugar coating it. the USAF was grossly negligent in both the prosecution of devin kelley and the sending of conviction and discharge information to the fbi.


this guy crushed an infants skull and had a history of domestic abuse and was allowed to serve only 12 months before being discharged?
 
The Air Force clearly screwed the pooch on this one. He should have left military confinement and went straight into prison.
 
Saladin4 said:
Or Colorado.....What few laws on the books are a joke......AR-15's for everybody it appears
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You seem to forget about the pages and pages of federal firearms laws.
Colorado has many also.

FEDERAL FIREARMS LAWS

FEDERAL FIREARMS LAWS




List of Colorado gun offenses

In addition to laws against crimes that can be committed with a firearm (such as homicide, assault and robbery), Colorado has a number of offenses addressed specifically at guns.

Such laws include (but are not limited to):

Unlawfully carrying a concealed weapon -- 18–12–105 C.R.S.
Unlawfully carrying a weapon on school grounds -- 18–12–105.5 C.R.S.
Prohibited use of weapons -- 18–12–106 C.R.S.
Use of stun guns -- 18–12–106.5 C.R.S.
Illegal discharge of a firearm—18–12–107.5 C.R.S.
Possession of weapons by previous offenders -- 18–12–108 C.R.S.
Possession of handguns by juveniles—18–12–108.5 C.R.S.
Unlawfully providing or permitting a juvenile to possess a handgun—18–12–108.7 C.R.S.
Unlawful purchase of firearms -- 18–12–111 C.R.S.
Large-Capacity Magazines Prohibited—18–12–302 C.R.S.

https://www.shouselaw.com/colorado/weapons/guns/CO_gun_laws.html
 
Praxas said:
So I assume you feel the same about drug laws right? I mean the laws exist and there are still crimes committed. So what about other laws as well? Should we abandon all laws because some disobey them?
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Stating the obvious here, I would point out that there are good laws, and there are bad laws. The proper remedy for bad laws is repeal. Judging all laws, the legislative product, it's likely that there are more bad laws produced than there are good laws produced. The drug laws are fundamentally illegitimate, and should have been repealed decades ago because of the harm they have caused to society.

The gun laws failed miserably, and this shooting at the church demonstrates that clearly. In this case, sheer incompetence of the authorities was a contributing factor to the shooting. When it comes to protecting the lives of innocent people, the government is miserably inept, and that is very old news indeed.

The gun laws (and drug laws) may give some people a warm and fuzzy feeling, but they usually cause more problems than they solve.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Stating the obvious here, I would point out that there are good laws, and there are bad laws. The proper remedy for bad laws is repeal. Judging all laws, the legislative product, it's likely that there are more bad laws produced than there are good laws produced. The drug laws are fundamentally illegitimate, and should have been repealed decades ago because of the harm they have caused to society.

The gun laws failed miserably, and this shooting at the church demonstrates that clearly. In this case, sheer incompetence of the authorities was a contributing factor to the shooting. When it comes to protecting the lives of innocent people, the government is miserably inept, and that is very old news indeed.

The gun laws (and drug laws) may give some people a warm and fuzzy feeling, but they usually cause more problems than they solve.
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Actually the law worked( he was required to have a background check ), but the government(specifically the Air Force) screwed up its part of the setup.
 
Samhain said:
Actually the law worked( he was required to have a background check ), but the government(specifically the Air Force) screwed up its part of the setup.
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If it worked, how did he buy the gun?

Being written down on paper does not make a law 'work'. Proper and effective enforcement of any given law makes it 'work'. In this case the written law was not enforced. Wishes and good intentions do not count.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Stating the obvious here, I would point out that there are good laws, and there are bad laws.
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And of course ALL the laws you want repealed are "bad laws" and all the ones you want to keep are "good laws" of course right? Who makes the determination whether a law is bad or not? You?

The proper remedy for bad laws is repeal. Judging all laws, the legislative product, it's likely that there are more bad laws produced than there are good laws produced. The drug laws are fundamentally illegitimate, and should have been repealed decades ago because of the harm they have caused to society.

The gun laws failed miserably, and this shooting at the church demonstrates that clearly. In this case, sheer incompetence of the authorities was a contributing factor to the shooting. When it comes to protecting the lives of innocent people, the government is miserably inept, and that is very old news indeed.

The gun laws (and drug laws) may give some people a warm and fuzzy feeling, but they usually cause more problems than they solve.
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Murder laws have failed to stop murder. Speeding laws have failed to stop speeders. on and on and on. Again, you are arguing semantics since the purpose of laws is not to prevent all crime in that category, but to hold people accountable for when they break the law.
 
Praxas said:
So I assume you feel the same about drug laws right? I mean the laws exist and there are still crimes committed. So what about other laws as well? Should we abandon all laws because some disobey them?
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yes. most drug laws should be repealed.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
yes. most drug laws should be repealed.
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What about speeding laws, what about murder laws or for that matter how about showing a law that has prevented all crime in that category. There is no such law, so why is it when a mass shooting happens it is claimed we shouldn't have those laws because it didn't prevent the crime. Laws are not meant to prevent crime but to hold people accountable for when they do break the law.
 
Praxas said:
And of course ALL the laws you want repealed are "bad laws" and all the ones you want to keep are "good laws" of course right? Who makes the determination whether a law is bad or not? You?



Murder laws have failed to stop murder. Speeding laws have failed to stop speeders. on and on and on. Again, you are arguing semantics since the purpose of laws is not to prevent all crime in that category, but to hold people accountable for when they break the law.
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The citizens, engaged in rational public dialogue and guided by the historical record concerning any given law, get to decide which law is good and which laws fail. Not me, but of course I am a citizen.

Murder laws and others simply allow a civilized framework, complete with due process, within which offenders (those who harm others) are punished. I harbor no illusion that the mere existence of a law will have great influence on the behavior of any individual. You may harbor such an illusion, but I do not.
 
Thoreau72 said:
The citizens, engaged in rational public dialogue and guided by the historical record concerning any given law, get to decide which law is good and which laws fail. Not me, but of course I am a citizen.
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Well at this time that same public is saying those gun laws are necessary.

Murder laws and others simply allow a civilized framework, complete with due process, within which offenders (those who harm others) are punished. I harbor no illusion that the mere existence of a law will have great influence on the behavior of any individual. You may harbor such an illusion, but I do not.
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Nope I don't at all however when folks scream that gun laws should be repealed simply because it didn't prevent a mass shooting, they deserve to get called out on their idiocy. There are many on this board that can argue successfully against gun laws, but they don't use the fact someone committed a crime to say that a law should be repealed because of it.
 
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