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Trump Jr. Hinted at Review of Anti-Russia Law, Moscow Lawyer Says

Cardinal said:
If his comment could be confirmed then it would be conspiracy to commit that crime.
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"Looking ahead, if we come to power, we can return to this issue and think what to do about it" That is not a promise to change anything or do anything
 
Fletch said:
"Looking ahead, if we come to power, we can return to this issue and think what to do about it" That is not a promise to change anything or do anything
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Since he never disputed that he was eager to meet with a Russian agent to collect damaging info on Clinton or that the Magnitsky Act was discussed during that meeting, convincing a jury that the meaning of this statement is that he was open to such a quid pro quo would not be difficult.
 
Cardinal said:
Since he never disputed that he was there to collect damaging info on Clinton or that the Magnitsky Act was discussed during that meeting, convincing a jury that the meaning of this statement is that he was open to such a quid pro quo would not be difficult.
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A jury of people like you, sure. And if he denies saying that? What then? You aren't seriously taking the word of a Putin loyalist like this Russian lawyer are you?
 
Fletch said:
A jury of people like you, sure.
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Since you're making this about me then it would appear that we've reached the end of your ability to debate this.

Fletch said:
And if he denies saying that? What then? You aren't seriously taking the word of a Putin loyalist like this Russian lawyer are you?
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See post #8.
 
Cardinal said:
From Renato Mariotti, a former Federal prosecutor:

"It is a federal crime to exchange an “official act” for something of value. It’s called “theft of honest services.” To put it more simply, offering to exchange an official act for something of value is like soliciting a bribe. There can be no serious question that supporting repeal of the Magnitsky Act would be an official act for purposes of this statute."

https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/927551169932791808
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He was a private citizen at the time. Besides, it’s not like he was trying to sell uranium or anything.
 
Cardinal said:
Since you're making this about me then it would appear that we've reached the end of your ability to debate this.
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Says the person who called me a racist in the last 'debate' we had.


See post #8.
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If the best Mueller has is a he said, she said where even if what she said is true there is no crime, then there will be no trial. This thread is evidence of the desperation on the left to nail Trump with something, anything. Its past pathetic at this point.
 
humbolt said:
So we're going to place credibility in the testimony of a Russian lawyer that represented FSB interests from 2005 to 2013? Doesn't seem like a great idea to me.
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The Special Counsel will need to sort through all the evidence before reaching appropriate conclusions. One should recall Donald Trump, Jr's emails concerning his expectations for the meeting:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/11/us/politics/donald-trump-jr-email-text.html

If the Russian lawyer's account is accurate, and the Special Counsel will need to evaluate all the evidence before reaching firm conclusions, there is at least a hint of a quid pro quo involved. It should also be noted that Wikileaks began disseminating hacked e-mails after the meeting in question. There still remains significant uncertainty as to what actually took place during the meeting. The Special Counsel will undoubtedly be probing the matter.
 
Fletch said:
Says the person who called me a racist in the last 'debate' we had.
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If you have a problem with that discussion you're free to take it up with me there.

If the best Mueller has is a he said, she said where even if what she said is true there is no crime, then there will be no trial.
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I've already explained the crime. Not only did you read that post, you also responded to it and didn't reject the nature of what that crime would be.

Fletch said:
This thread is evidence of the desperation on the left to nail Trump with something, anything. Its past pathetic at this point.
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That's a lot of words just to communicate that you've run out of arguments.
 
Cardinal said:
If you have a problem with that discussion you're free to take it up with me there.



I've already explained the crime. Not only did you read that post, you also responded to it and didn't reject the nature of what that crime would be.



That's a lot of words just to communicate that you've run out of arguments.
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Well, you finally got something right. There is nothing here to argue.
 
Cardinal said:
It contradicts Jr.'s claims that he walked out of the meeting in disgust when he expected dirt on Clinton and it turned out to be about the Magnitsky Act instead.

I would brag about having predicted back in the summer that more would come out about that meeting, but saying that about a serial liar hardly makes me a genius. I guess I shouldn't expect too much credit for predicting violence in the Middle East in 2018 either.
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It seems to confirm Trump jr account-- he walked out the door when there was no information on Clinton forthcoming. The length of time of the meeting the lawyer said agrees with what Trump said. Everyone seems to agree that Manafort fell asleep.
 
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