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Multiple victims in Texas church shooting, local media reports[W:28:100:205,628]**

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CaptainCourtesy said:
You see the right wing hack side of things. The alt-right is just as filled with hatred of the left as the opposite. You ignore 8 years of right wing hatred towards Obama because it's OK with you, since Obama isn't your guy. You pretend that anyone who identifies as a lefty and who does something heinous represents the left. I understand that when a right winger does something heinous, he doesn't represent the right, he represents himself. Not only are you wrong on this, but you and your attitude is exactly why we have the kind of partisan hatred that we have. You and how you perceive things are a big part of the problem.
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Obama was successful at dividing us. Politically, by class, by race, and those who support or hate law enforcement. Using tactics from Saul Alinsky rules for radicals and the communist manifesto. He moved the party to the extreme left. Did his best to destroy our nation. You say you understand that when a rightwinger does something heinous it does not represent all republicans. I Agree, however many on the left don't. I have heard the constant drum beat from the left claiming that all white conservatives are white supremacist. They point the finger at us who support President Trump and claim we are alt right white supremacist. Well I am pointing a finger back at them now. How does it feel?
 
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Black Dog said:
That is so petty. You don't know any of the details as the story did not say. And yet you are ready to immediately say "the neighbor was as successful at chasing him off as my dog is repeatedly triumphant in chasing the mailman away six days a week." to fit your political agenda???

You don't know..

#1 "The guys work was done."

We do know for a fact...

#2 He "the gunman" dropped his weapon when he received fire from the neighbor.

Because of that...

#3 He could not return fire as he dropped his weapon.

And lastly if he did not fear "some good guy with a gun" he would not have run away with the "good guy with a gun" in pursuit.

It's dishonest, agenda driven underhanded posts like that is why people have 0 credibility.
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Yet somehow you take at face value that this heavily armed guy with body armor dropped his weapon (out of fear?) and was chased off by some guy with a rifle without question.

Please don’t lecture me on credibility or agendas. You really, really want this hero thing to be true, and have no interest in questions.

We don’t know the whole story yet, but it sounds to me people are desperate to manufacture a hero out of this, whatever the real story may be.
 
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Threegoofs said:
Yet somehow you take at face value that this heavily armed guy with body armor dropped his weapon (out of fear?) and was chased off by some guy with a rifle without question.

Please don’t lecture me on credibility or agendas. You really, really want this hero thing to be true, and have no interest in questions.

We don’t know the whole story yet, but it sounds to me people are desperate to manufacture a hero out of this, whatever the real story may be.
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The latest story is that he dropped his weapon when shot( by the bystander ) while trying to get away with a hostage. Then was chased by the same armed bystander until he was run off the road, and the hostage got away.
 
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vesper said:
Today it is being reported that the shooter claimed to be an atheist. He wrote much about it on his own facebook page and comments he would leave on other pages.
Other reports claim his dishonorable discharge came about due to assaulting his wife and child. He spent a year in the brig for his actions.

His victims ages ranged from 5 to 72.
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The guy had an ANTIFA flag for the background on his FB page for crying out loud.
 
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SgtRock said:
The guy had an ANTIFA flag for the background on his FB page for crying out loud.
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I didn't read anything about that SgtRock. You have a link?
 
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Cisero said:
Still does not address the ethical reasons for carrying firearms. The bill of rights is a reflection of what the 1789 House Of Representatives thought was ethical, moral & righteous. It's been written 250 years ago, mentalities change. Situations change. Needs change. Technology changes. Laws have to evolve & adapt to the needs of society. Hell, there are more than 10 amendments. Last one was ratified in 1992, proof that the Constitution does change.

But I'm not advocating for the modification of the 2nd Amendment. I'm just pointing out that something isn't right merely because it's in the Constitution. It's supposed to be in the Constitution because it's right.

PS : One of the articles you sourced was from 1993, the other was quite interesting.

Problem solved ? For the problem to be solved, we would have to prevent good guys from having to shoot bad guys in the first place. How ? By limiting bad guys access to weapons comes to mind. Waiting for a dude to start opening fire in a crowd, inevitably killing a few people before being taken down by another guy with a gun isn't a solution. It's not a world I want to live in.
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I already stated more than once I will not be discussing anymore gun rights issues in this thread as it has nothing to do with the topic. I suggest you read this before carrying on...

https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...rts-w-28-100-205-628-a-63.html#post1067816863

I will however point out the dishonesty of your post. From cutting out most of my responce to lying about the Still does not address the ethical reasons for carrying firearms. that you never mentioned before. Totally misleading straw man of a post.
 
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Threegoofs said:
Yet somehow you take at face value that this heavily armed guy with body armor dropped his weapon (out of fear?) and was chased off by some guy with a rifle without question.
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Because unlike you, I have no agenda and read from several different news sources. On top of that, the police all collaborate the story from witnesses. The neighbor did in fact chase the shooter away, this is a fact. So yes I believe the story from police.

Threegoofs said:
Please don’t lecture me on credibility or agendas. You really, really want this hero thing to be true, and have no interest in questions.
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I have no interest in politically driven nonsensical agenda based questions, no.

Threegoofs said:
We don’t know the whole story yet, but it sounds to me people are desperate to manufacture a hero out of this, whatever the real story may be.
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We know enough to point out the incredible dishonesty of your statements.
 
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Saladin4 said:
Another Gun Nut with an ASSAULT weapon.......2 Dozen killed because America won't stand up to the NRA terrorists that allow these weapons to legally obtained....Bull****
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Believe it or not, the NRA does support common sense legislation. They don't support outrageous right-restricting legislation that's created and passed on pure emotion.
 
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Oh great... now people are saying the shooter was Antifa and that there were letters being sent out to people saying that Antifa will begin to start killing Trump supporters on Nov 4th.

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SgtRock said:
The guy had an ANTIFA flag for the background on his FB page for crying out loud.
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well lookie here. An Alex Jones & Pizzagate Posobiec info warrior spreading fake news.
 
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Do we need Trump to tell us when it's raining? Anyone who does what this guy did obviously has a mental health problem. Lots of people do and more of them in the U.S. than anywhere else explore their problems by shooting people. To me this this means we can't afford the luxury of guns. We ought to ban ordinary possession of all guns other than six shot revolvers and one shot rifles and shotguns, give people a short time to turn them in and impose criminal penalties on those who don't.
 
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Roadvirus said:
Fair enough. Definitely a time where "see something, say something" applies.

BUt then, some people are stupid/spineless and "don't want to get involved", and it's those types that let acts of evil like this occur unchallenged. If i saw that guy flashing that gun around and knew he wasn't suppose to have it, i'd be flagging down the nearest cop.
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Which was what really should have happened, especially since he went so far as to post to Facebook.......I really hope people didn't turn a blind eye deliberately as well. There are some who think the government has no business saying who can have access to a firearm......this case pretty clearly shows the danger of that kind of thinking.
 
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Black Dog said:
Your argument is just one giant fallacy, but I digress as others have already pointed that out.

#1 As soon as you can predict crimes before they happen, let us know.
#2 The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.
#3 Again he stopped that attack. No amount of repeating anything else will change that FACT.

Enjoy your crow.
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Aw, look at that. More stroking of your ego.

1) The shooter flaunted his violation of the law. He posted to Facebook. That's a giant red flag right there, one which should have shut the guy down before he started.

2) Yes, you and the people like you loooove the straw man.

3) Again, in the heart of "good guy with a gun" territory more than half the people in the church were murdered. It was a successful terrorist attack, and no amount of fantasizing on your part can change that fact.

Enjoy your fantasy world.
 
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Lursa said:
Oh yeah? Like what? Which ones saves the dead ones?



Did you just call me buddy? Twice? :lamo :lamo



Yeah...so on the ball! I'm a woman.


And here's the kicker: you will note that the armed shooter did NOT shoot the ARMED citizen who shot at him. I wonder why? He ran away. I wonder why?

Game, set, match! :lamo
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Aw buddy, yet more ego stroking? What a surprise. You really can't seem to handle facts.

Gee buddy, he ran away after murdering more than half the people in the church. Yay home team! We didn't stop the attack, we didn't stop him from getting away(until later on anyway, after, with the right amount of bad luck, he could have continued his rampage) , but at least he "only" killed half the people there, right?

And frankly, I could really give less than a **** that you are a woman, buddy.
 
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TurtleDude said:
its amazing how certain issues and those who push those issues are so reticent to actually restate their position. I cannot tell you how many times I have reposted or repeated my position on some issues. I really don't remember seeing ANYTHING from you that would have RATIONALLY prevented this massacre
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Because repeating the same thing over and over and over again gets tiresome. It indicates the other poster isn't actually paying ay attention to the post and rather implies a waste of time.

This individual was not supposed to have access to a firearm. This individual posted, on Facebook no less, that he had access to. a firearm.

What was it again? See something, say something?
 
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Lursa said:
My ego is just fine thanks. I posted accurate information and at no time have I tried to 'cancel out' what happened in TX.

You are the one harping over and over that just because an armed person was unable to save 20 people in a church today, it implies carrying a firearm is a waste of time.

When, provably from other incidents, it is not and certainly THOSE people are not worth less than those lost today.

Beat your personal, WRONG, narrative to death all you like...that it's wrong has nothing to do with 'my' ego.
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You have repeatedly stroked your ego with constant personal insults and desperate attempts to say "well, just because a good guy with a gun couldn't stop a massacre this time doesn't mean it won't work other times."

80% of the time it works every time is not a good ratio.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Because repeating the same thing over and over and over again gets tiresome. It indicates the other poster isn't actually paying ay attention to the post and rather implies a waste of time.

This individual was not supposed to have access to a firearm. This individual posted, on Facebook no less, that he had access to. a firearm.

What was it again? See something, say something?
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So why didn't you say something?
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Aw, look at that. More stroking of your ego.

1) The shooter flaunted his violation of the law. He posted to Facebook. That's a giant red flag right there, one which should have shut the guy down before he started.

2) Yes, you and the people like you loooove the straw man.

3) Again, in the heart of "good guy with a gun" territory more than half the people in the church were murdered. It was a successful terrorist attack, and no amount of fantasizing on your part can change that fact.

Enjoy your fantasy world.
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So your mad that people wish 1 more gun was in the church just to stop the shooter?

Kinda funny how the guy had body armor and thought he was some sorta sick predictor until 1 other guy with a gun shot him. Then he ran like a little bitch!

Are you one of those sick people that declaws their cats just because you love your furniture more than the cat, but also want a cat?
 
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Sincere condolences to the families, colleague's, friends, and fellow parishioners of the victims.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
You have repeatedly stroked your ego with constant personal insults and desperate attempts to say "well, just because a good guy with a gun couldn't stop a massacre this time doesn't mean it won't work other times."

80% of the time it works every time is not a good ratio.
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And you are purposely trying to demoralize.
 
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countryboy said:
So why didn't you say something?
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If I was Facebook friends with the shooter, or actually, you know, knew him, I would have.
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
And you are purposely trying to demoralize.
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No, I am purposefully stating facts.

This was a mass murder. It's not all that hard to "demoralize." People should be demoralized, frankly.
 
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