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Mueller Has Enough Evidence to Bring Charges in Flynn Investigation

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...nce-bring-charges-flynn-investigation-n817666

WASHINGTON — Federal investigators have gathered enough evidence to bring charges in their investigation of President Donald Trump's former national security adviser and his son as part of the probe into Russia's intervention in the 2016 election, according to multiple sources familiar with the investigation.

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Mueller is applying renewed pressure on Flynn following his indictment of Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, three sources familiar with the investigation told NBC News.


The investigators are speaking to multiple witnesses in coming days to gain more information surrounding Flynn's lobbying work, including whether he laundered money or lied to federal agents about his overseas contacts, according to three sources familiar with the investigation.

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Mueller's team is also examining whether Flynn attempted to orchestrate the removal of a chief rival of Turkish President Recep Erdogan from the U.S. to Turkey in exchange for millions of dollars, two officials said.

Flynn's son, Michael G. Flynn, who worked closely with his father, accompanied him during the campaign and briefly worked on the presidential transition, could be indicted separately or at the same time as his father, according to three sources familiar with the investigation.


If the elder Flynn is willing to cooperate with investigators in order to help his son, two of the sources said, it could also change his own fate, potentially limiting any legal consequences.

Should be interesting to see where all this ends up leading.
 
nothing burger ...................... I heard it straight from that Reince Priebus idiot that used to be a Trumpian .... ................
 
And now the breaking news on Wilbur Ross and his Russian partners...
 
And now the breaking news on Wilbur Ross and his Russian partners...

thank you ....................

Reports: Leaked Files Show Wilbur Ross, Putin’s Son-In-Law Share Business Ties – Talking Points Memo



Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross owns holdings in a shipping company that has business ties to a Russian gas company part-owned by Russian President Vladimir Putin’s son-in-law, according to several reports published Sunday.

The Guardian reported, citing documents and public filings from the Paradise Papers, a trove of 13.4 million files leaked from offshore law firm Appleby, that Ross has a stake in the shipping company Navigator, which operates a partnership with Russian gas company Sibur.

Putin’s son-in-law Kirill Shamalov is Sibur’s second-largest shareholder.

NBC News reported, citing documents from the Paradise Papers, that Sibur is Navigator’s second-largest client.

According to the Guardian, Ross retained his holdings in Navigator after joining Trump’s cabinet.

Ross in February did not answer questions from six Democratic senators who asked him to disclose “the full extent” of his “connections to Russia.”

Hours after Trump nominated Ross to his cabinet in November 2016, Navigator’s CEO David Butters said Ross assured him their interests were aligned.

“Your interest is aligned to mine,” Ross said, according to Butters’ account to Bloomberg Businessweek. “The U.S. economy will grow, and Navigator will be a beneficiary.”
 
Thanks for posting the particulars on Ross, cuban smokes.
 
Flynn will cooperate ... for his son's sake and to protect his very generous military pension.
 
And now the breaking news on Wilbur Ross and his Russian partners...

Up, Trump uprgraded our infrastructure all right. Drained one swamp and built a brand new one. I don't think we have had this much corruption in a single administration since Warren Harding.
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Trump is Leading the Most Corrupt Administration in U.S. History, One of First-Class Kleptocrats

Warren G. Harding - U.S. Presidents - HISTORY.com

The noose is tightening. Over a month ago Newsweek wrote:

"As the noose starts to close around the White House and around the Trump family, a very different set of behaviors could emerge,” Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D-Rhode Island) told Politico on Tuesday. "It’s under those kinds of pressures that the special counsel needs to be able to continue its work.”

Noose Tightening Around Trump Family in Russia Probe, Top Democrat Warns

Trump is about to get even more erratic (and dangerous). My God have mercy on the United States of America and the free world.

Well, of course he does. Its why he doesn't work at the White House anymore.

At the very least, the Trump Administration, and Trump specifically, are guilty of gross managerial incompetence (if not dereliction of duty) by failing to perform the usual and customary due diligence appropriate in the hiring of a National Security Advisor. He had a position that made him privy to ALL of the nation's secrets. This position demands a squeaky-clean, loyal American. The vetting, obviously, was not done.

This one is on the Donald. It is a fine example of his laziness and disrespect for the office in which he inhabits.
 
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Up, Trump uprgraded our infrastructure all right. Drained one swamp and built a brand new one. I don't think we have had this much corruption in a single administration since Warren Harding.
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Trump is Leading the Most Corrupt Administration in U.S. History, One of First-Class Kleptocrats

Warren G. Harding - U.S. Presidents - HISTORY.com

The noose is tightening. Over a month ago Newsweek wrote:

"As the noose starts to close around the White House and around the Trump family, a very different set of behaviors could emerge,” Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D-Rhode Island) told Politico on Tuesday. "It’s under those kinds of pressures that the special counsel needs to be able to continue its work.”

Noose Tightening Around Trump Family in Russia Probe, Top Democrat Warns

Trump is about to get even more erratic (and dangerous). My God have mercy on the United States of America and the free world.
Trump and the current republicans in congress seem to represent the worst of the Harding, Coolidge, And Hoover administrations rolled into one
 
There was never any doubt that Mueller would put this scalp on his wall, though I tend to doubt that he has any dirt on the Trump Family or can be any help in spinning this Putin/Trump fantasy.
 
Which is it?

Federal investigators have gathered enough evidence

or

The investigators are speaking to multiple witnesses in coming days to gain more information

I suppose we'll know when the indictment comes out, though frankly I don't see how these are "either-or" choices.
 
Which is it?

Federal investigators have gathered enough evidence

or

The investigators are speaking to multiple witnesses in coming days to gain more information

Fake news?
 
Now this will certainly be an interesting test of Trump's willingness to use the pardon. Trump forsook Manafort a looong time ago, but it was the investigation into Flynn that caused him to fire Comey.
 
Which is it?

Federal investigators have gathered enough evidence

or

The investigators are speaking to multiple witnesses in coming days to gain more information

They are not mutually exclusive statements regarding Flynn..... One can have enough money, but still will use the next week to have even more.... an overwhelming case is much more likely to elicit the help of the Flynn's than a "sufficient" or "good" case.

That said, there are lots of fish that may be fried here. Its unlikely this stops with Flynn / Manafort. The corrupt is vast and deep.

One thing that should be clear to all reasonable persons: the nothingburger has been replaced with fish fry.

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Which is it?
Federal investigators have gathered enough evidence
or
The investigators are speaking to multiple witnesses in coming days to gain more information

It's both, as stated.

Based on my limited understanding of this stuff, they are signaling in a very real way to Flynn that they have a green light to indict him, and they are actively questioning people he works with, etc. This applies pressure to Flynn, who presumably would like such things to stop. Each step they make towards a suspect "makes it real". To stop them, he can attempt to plea now, and depending on the plea deal, it could mean he is indicted on fewer charges, etc. So in this way, it's basically holding him down and telling him to say "Uncle", rather than let the beatings continue (you know what I mean).

Chasing one person on one crime makes it very hard to take down broader conspiracies and organizations, if not impossible in some cases. You have to work your way from suspect to suspect in the hopes it will lead to all criminals involved, and typically you want to go as high as possible so that you stop the crime at the root. Since that's the case, they have to be creative in how they break the "honor among thieves" behavior that can sometimes protect those at the top, leaving the smaller fish to get charged with lesser crimes. To break that, they offer better deals to the small fish, since it's often in the public's best interest to go all the way to the top.
 
It's both, as stated.

Based on my limited understanding of this stuff, they are signaling in a very real way to Flynn that they have a green light to indict him, and they are actively questioning people he works with, etc. This applies pressure to Flynn, who presumably would like such things to stop. Each step they make towards a suspect "makes it real". To stop them, he can attempt to plea now, and depending on the plea deal, it could mean he is indicted on fewer charges, etc. So in this way, it's basically holding him down and telling him to say "Uncle", rather than let the beatings continue (you know what I mean).
Chasing one person on one crime makes it very hard to take down broader conspiracies and organizations, if not impossible in some cases. You have to work your way from suspect to suspect in the hopes it will lead to all criminals involved, and typically you want to go as high as possible so that you stop the crime at the root. Since that's the case, they have to be creative in how they break the "honor among thieves" behavior that can sometimes protect those at the top, leaving the smaller fish to get charged with lesser crimes.

I think you (and sort of everybody else, to be fair) are ignoring the white elephant in the room. Flynn will hold onto the hope that a pardon could be in store for him. After Arpaio, there's no way he's not thinking of that.
 
I think you (and sort of everybody else, to be fair) are ignoring the white elephant in the room. Flynn will hold onto the hope that a pardon could be in store for him. After Arpaio, there's no way he's not thinking of that.

And mueller is probably aware of that as well. Which is probably why he is working with New York’s attorney general to produce indictments for state crimes.
 
And mueller is probably aware of that as well. Which is probably why he is working with New York’s attorney general to produce indictments for state crimes.

I've heard of that as well. If the indictments are from the state then that would certainly seem to settle things for me. It will be iffy, though. Not everybody can be charged with state indictments.

It's crazy how calmly we're discussing strategies for investigating a thoroughly corrupt President that has tin-pot dictator notions of how the rule of law works.
 
I think you (and sort of everybody else, to be fair) are ignoring the white elephant in the room. Flynn will hold onto the hope that a pardon could be in store for him. After Arpaio, there's no way he's not thinking of that.

I have to wonder though, how effective would a pardon be for Trump? He might be able to evade checkmate with Flynn flipping but then we have a president who pardoned a criminal to protect himself. If there is another route to him other than Flynn he'll have to cover that as well. I'm not sure whether Republicans and the country will tolerate this pardon. Certainly they've tolerated the unthinkable already, but this could be the tree that fells the cabin. It may only delay the inevitable.
 
I have to wonder though, how effective would a pardon be for Trump? He might be able to evade checkmate with Flynn flipping but then we have a president who pardoned a criminal to protect himself. If there is another route to him other than Flynn he'll have to cover that as well. I'm not sure whether Republicans and the country will tolerate this pardon. Certainly they've tolerated the unthinkable already, but this could be the tree that fells the cabin. It may only delay the inevitable.

At this point the only thing that will make republicans dump trump is if he somehow derails efforts to pass their tax cuts.
 
I have to wonder though, how effective would a pardon be for Trump? He might be able to evade checkmate with Flynn flipping but then we have a president who pardoned a criminal to protect himself. If there is another route to him other than Flynn he'll have to cover that as well. I'm not sure whether Republicans and the country will tolerate this pardon. Certainly they've tolerated the unthinkable already, but this could be the tree that fells the cabin. It may only delay the inevitable.

Assuming that the indictment is Federal and not state, then the end result of a Flynn pardon would be total. I think it's fair to say that he would have been a pretty big fish and that his testimony could have been extremely damaging to bigger fish.

Will Republicans tolerate that pardon? I would think by now that such a question shouldn't need to be asked any longer. Besides, you're forgetting that Republicans believe this investigation is a witch hunt and the Russian scandal is fake.
 
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I think there is a good possibility trump just used air force one to flee.the.country to avoid prosecution.

I wonder if the secret service checked the cargo hold for prisoners or body's.
 
I think there is a good possibility trump just used air force one to flee.the.country to avoid prosecution.

I wonder if the secret service checked the cargo hold for prisoners or body's.

I think if he fled to Russia the first response from Republicans would be to draw an equivalency to Obama going to Hawaii for vacation during the health care debate. Fox would demand that Trump be able to rule in absentia. Paul Ryan would say Trump "is new at this."
 
I suppose we'll know when the indictment comes out, though frankly I don't see how these are "either-or" choices.

Then why contradict themselves reporting it? It's right in the OP.
 
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