A year after his surprise election, 65 percent say Trump's achieved little (POLL)

apdst said:

They didn't repeal Obamacare.

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They wasted most of the year trying. Their bills had sub-20% approval among the public. Most of the failure for that debacle is on the Salesman-in-Chief. You know, the master dealmaker who was going to cut a beautiful deal to cover everybody, and much cheaper!

Greenbeard said:

They wasted most of the year trying. Their bills had sub-20% approval among the public. Most of the failure for that debacle is on the Salesman-in-Chief. You know, the master dealmaker who was going to cut a beautiful deal to cover everybody, and much cheaper!

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All They had to do was put a repeal bill on President Trump's desk and he would have signed it. Instead, they sent their own dumbass version of a dumbass law.

apdst said:

All They had to do was put a repeal bill on President Trump's desk and he would have signed it. Instead, they sent their own dumbass version of a dumbass law.

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Sadly (thankfully!) that door was closed for them by...Donald Trump.

January 11, 2017:

Donald Trump said Wednesday that Republicans will introduce proposals to repeal and replace Obamacare as soon as his nominee for Health and Human Services secretary, Tom Price, is approved.

In a news conference in New York City, the President-elect stressed that legislation to repeal President Barack Obama's signature health care law -- along with legislation to replace it -- will be considered "essentially simultaneously."

"We're going to be submitting -- as soon as our secretary's approved, almost simultaneously, shortly thereafter, a plan. It'll be repeal and replace. It will be essentially simultaneously," Trump said. "Probably the same day, could be the same hour."

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Trump told the New York Times this week that he wants Republicans to vote immediately to both repeal and replace Obamacare -- even as quickly as next week.

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As I said, most of this debacle can be laid at his feet. Claiming the rest of the GOP sabotaged him gets the story a bit backwards. Anyway, it was a lot of fun while it lasted and they sure burned up a lot of the clock pursuing it.

The President, Vice-President, Senate, House of Representatives, and using Rules of Reconciliation (only 51 votes required) and Trump/GOP still didn't accomplish anything noteworthy. Thank God

OlNate said:

Oh, hey, I get it, both of the options that ended up being nominated were awful, but there were GOP and Dem options that could have been nominated instead that were far less problematic, more presidential, more qualified. They might not have been game changers, but I doubt they would have created such a rift between the Left and the Right, and there's no way they could have been such an embarrassment. Even HRC would have kept it classier...and when it's hard to know who is more corrupt, that would have put her ahead for me.

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Trump put forth a pretty clear picture of what he would like to see.

The Democrats and the Media have taken " ...the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools," as Kipling said, and the fools have gotten trapped.

Somehow, when trump says "Make America Great Again", idiots in our country think he is recommending a return to the bad old days of Democrat rule when minorities were systematically oppressed by government action.

Who is a racist in today's politics? Anyone who is winning an argument with a Democrat.

Carleen said:

His tweets do not show that at all.

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Ah...

The cover looks icky.

This book must not have anything good in it.

I thought there was an old saying about this kind of dismissive and myopic judgement passing...

Fletch said:

Trump hasn't accomplished much in the way of legislation but legislation is done by the legislative branch, not the executive branch. So put the blame where it belongs.

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You may be forgetting what kind of people you are dealing with here.

NeverTrumpGOP said:

Negative coverage of Trump is in no relation to the answers of the poll questions. What you are essentially saying is that only conservative opinions matter.

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Of course it is.

When a question is structured, the wording of the question has EVERYTHING to do with the response. The context of the question within the survey changes everything.

In the run up to the railroading of the ACA through Congress, Survey were constructed to show exactly this. When questioned about specific ideas in the "ACA", people were generally in favor of it.

When questioned about identical ideas in "Obamacare", people were generally against it. "Obamacare" had become toxic.

Today, surveyed about specific ideas put forth by trump, but presented generically, people are generally in favor of them.

Presenting the ideas first as being Trump's Agenda changes the answers collected to generally negative.

Trump, like Obamacare, has many ideas and goals that are not well known by the general public, but many are simply reflexively against Trump because it is popular to be on that side of the debate.

They oppose Trump, but support his goals.

However, they oppose the things that that have been illegitimately attached to him.

For those of us that like the FACTS surrounding his administration following his election, we like THE FACTS THAT:

we are more wealthy as a population by about 5 Trillion dollars,

are among the largest number of Americans ever to be holding jobs at the same time,

enjoying the lowest unemployment rate since the .com boom of the Clinton Days,

are enjoying a national growth rate higher than 3% since his inauguration,

that 50 Arab nations have joined us to fight radical Islamic terrorism,

that other NATO Allies have agreed to pay more to support the alliance,

that the Security Council has agreed unanimously to reign in North Korea

and on and on and on... Regulations, trade deals, companies deciding to stay or deciding to come back, tax reform...

ALL of these things are great and not covered. Almost makes you think there's an organized effort to keep this stuff hidden, doesn't it.

By the by, which of these things do you oppose?

Greenbeard said:

How has the GOP worked against Trump?

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In the latest torpedo job that is underway, the GOP is once again bowing to anyone with a pocket filled with money. This time, to scuttle tax reform.

Trump's idea and direction was to make it simple and make it big.

Both the Congress and the Senate have decided to make it puny and complex.

At this point, the poisonously partisan approach has excluded the Dems from any meaningful contribution or participation.

This opposition cannot be placed at the door of the Democrat party. It is purely opposition from the GOP.

It is evidence, not that we needed any more, of the corrupt and corrosive system under which we are tortured.

Trump has accomplished much. He has facilitated making America hate again, assuming it has ever stopped. He has accentuated bigotry and intolerance with his stirring up the NFL protest pot, he has advocated for nuclear war, he is laying the groundwork for lowering taxes for the 1%, and under the guise of draining the swamp has actually given the swamp comfortable positions for his friends.

code1211 said:

Trump put forth a pretty clear picture of what he would like to see.

The Democrats and the Media have taken " ...the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools," as Kipling said, and the fools have gotten trapped.

Somehow, when trump says "Make America Great Again", idiots in our country think he is recommending a return to the bad old days of Democrat rule when minorities were systematically oppressed by government action.

Who is a racist in today's politics? Anyone who is winning an argument with a Democrat.

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Well, I'll agree with you, there are some trapped fools....though I'm sure we'd disagree on who they are.

As for the racist tangent...ok....well...not sure how we got on that, but I'll address it, since you brought it up. There are so many ways that the Left disagrees with the Right that don't end in allegations of racism, so I think your comment is a cop out, and that doesn't change regardless of how often that tired old horse gets dragged out. Racism is easily defined and easily understood, measure your own actions, and if you find someone accusing you of racism while your behaviour falls outside of those parameters, give them the same amount of consideration and care that most people give folks on the Right who want to generalize the Left as snowflakes. If you're honest about that process, you don't have anything to worry about.

As for Trump and MAGA...if it's possible, Trump was never going to be the guy, and I feel bad for anyone who thought so. I can't remember a time when America was so looked down upon, so pitied, and so pitiful, and so much of that boils down to the guy you gave the job to. If it weren't for your army, no one would take you seriously - they barely are now, with long term economic initiatives simply being put on hold until Trump's gone - thank goodness for term limits.

OlNate said:

Well, I'll agree with you, there are some trapped fools....though I'm sure we'd disagree on who they are.

As for the racist tangent...ok....well...not sure how we got on that, but I'll address it, since you brought it up. There are so many ways that the Left disagrees with the Right that don't end in allegations of racism, so I think your comment is a cop out, and that doesn't change regardless of how often that tired old horse gets dragged out. Racism is easily defined and easily understood, measure your own actions, and if you find someone accusing you of racism while your behaviour falls outside of those parameters, give them the same amount of consideration and care that most people give folks on the Right who want to generalize the Left as snowflakes. If you're honest about that process, you don't have anything to worry about.

As for Trump and MAGA...if it's possible, Trump was never going to be the guy, and I feel bad for anyone who thought so. I can't remember a time when America was so looked down upon, so pitied, and so pitiful, and so much of that boils down to the guy you gave the job to. If it weren't for your army, no one would take you seriously - they barely are now, with long term economic initiatives simply being put on hold until Trump's gone - thank goodness for term limits.

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You seem to be on a rant. I have been aware of the elections for President since the first Nixon election when he beat Humphrey. Including that one and in every election following, the joke about the electorate suffering the effects of the election of the evil of two lessors has been trotted out.

What part(s) of the economy are you citing to support your assertion that the economy is being put on hold? Every stock exchange in the world is rising like a launched rocket since Trump was elected. The DOW is fast approaching the 80th record close since the election. There has been an increase in personal wealth in the US of 5 trillion owing to the stock market run up since the election. The stock market valuation rate of increase is 10 times what it had been over the previous decade.

I googled "MAGA" and can't seem to find anything that is tangent to your post. ?

What Trump said and continues to say he wants to see is enhanced opportunity for all Americans, more jobs for all Americans, greater prosperity for all Americans, a more fair and less complex system of taxation for all, a less punitive system of taxation to lure corporations and wealth home from abroad and less corruption in Washington DC.

Which of these goals do you oppose?

code1211 said:

You seem to be on a rant. I have been aware of the elections for President since the first Nixon election when he beat Humphrey. Including that one and in every election following, the joke about the electorate suffering the effects of the election of the evil of two lessors has been trotted out.

What part(s) of the economy are you citing to support your assertion that the economy is being put on hold? Every stock exchange in the world is rising like a launched rocket since Trump was elected. The DOW is fast approaching the 80th record close since the election. There has been an increase in personal wealth in the US of 5 trillion owing to the stock market run up since the election. The stock market valuation rate of increase is 10 times what it had been over the previous decade.

I googled "MAGA" and can't seem to find anything that is tangent to your post. ?

What Trump said and continues to say he wants to see is enhanced opportunity for all Americans, more jobs for all Americans, greater prosperity for all Americans, a more fair and less complex system of taxation for all, a less punitive system of taxation to lure corporations and wealth home from abroad and less corruption in Washington DC.

Which of these goals do you oppose?

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lol...one hardly needs to be ranting to point out the obvious.

I think you may have misunderstood my post. I'm talking about what the rest of us want to do in terms of our economic relationship with you. There's another thread on here that addresses that, too lazy to look right now, but the article clearly implied that at least some foreign governments are simply waiting for the storm to pass before they resume meaningful, long term economic discussions with America. But if you want to try to talk about domestic economic performance, you can't do that without thanking the Obama administration for at least the first 6 - 8 months of Trump's doing the job, which is the same for every other president. Trump was handed a cherry. Given all the time he spends fighting off or creating scandals, I'm not sure how much personal credit he can be given...I think the folks around him get things done despite him, not because of him.

I don't oppose any of the goals you're putting forward. I just don't think Trump's the guy who's going to get them for you....well, unless they benefit his rich buddies, as in the case of the "less punitive system of taxation to lure corps...", etc. You can be mad at me for believing that, but the truth is that I hope to be wrong, for your sake...we'll see. Looks like a bit of a mess from up here...

I don't think it's fair to say that he hasn't accomplished anything. He has succeeded in dividing the country more than any other president - both outside his party and inside his party - and in only 9 months.

OlNate said:

lol...one hardly needs to be ranting to point out the obvious.

I think you may have misunderstood my post. I'm talking about what the rest of us want to do in terms of our economic relationship with you. There's another thread on here that addresses that, too lazy to look right now, but the article clearly implied that at least some foreign governments are simply waiting for the storm to pass before they resume meaningful, long term economic discussions with America. But if you want to try to talk about domestic economic performance, you can't do that without thanking the Obama administration for at least the first 6 - 8 months of Trump's doing the job, which is the same for every other president. Trump was handed a cherry. Given all the time he spends fighting off or creating scandals, I'm not sure how much personal credit he can be given...I think the folks around him get things done despite him, not because of him.

I don't oppose any of the goals you're putting forward. I just don't think Trump's the guy who's going to get them for you....well, unless they benefit his rich buddies, as in the case of the "less punitive system of taxation to lure corps...", etc. You can be mad at me for believing that, but the truth is that I hope to be wrong, for your sake...we'll see. Looks like a bit of a mess from up here...

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Where is "up here"?

So you are in support of all of his goals, but still hope he fails to achieve them.

Interesting bit of self loathing under which you seem to suffer.

Obama did many things that were good. Most of them were in the "not doing anything to hurt" category. That is the way in which all presidents produce their best assistance for the rest of us.

Obama's most profound chance to achieve, which he fumbled miserably, was the absolutely unique chance to go into the inner cities and the community centers and organizations and proclaim that anyone in this country can rise above circumstance and become president. His message should have been, "You are the master of your fate, the captain of your soul".

No other president in our history had this absolutely unique chance to deliver this message with authority and credibility to those that desperately needed to hear it.

Instead, his message was that Whitey is holding you down and you have no chance to rise, progress, advance or improve absent help from "The Man". the underlying message was that the man was withholding that help and actively trying to keep the Black Man down.

One thing that Obama did was to apply economy strangling regulations which Trump is rolling back one after another. This is good news for business. That and the mere promise of a less punitive tax system is producing results that Obama could have produced, but chose not to.

Since Trump took office, the economy is growing at a 3% rate. Obama managed to avoid, through his entire administration, even one year that had a growth rate of 3%. Given the hole the economy was in when he assumed the reigns, this seems impossible, but he did it.

This was the result of his policies.

The current robust growth is the result of the beginning of the removal of his policies combined with the promise of a rational approach to taxation.

code1211 said:

The current robust growth is the result of the beginning of the removal of his policies combined with the promise of a rational approach to taxation.

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What policies have been "removed"?

Well, this is what happens when you run a campaign on superficial slogans that merely serve to rally eight years of mindless GOP/Fox engineered hate. Ultimately, you enter the White House with no real agenda, relying on a fractured GOP with no real plan, and wind up giving the country the worst "first 100 days" on record as the faithful hide their bitterness behind their false allegiance.

Trump - "When in doubt, send the fools another senseless Tweet..."

Super fans, took another dump that looks like rocket man. Hillary criminal. lolololol #Ihavethebesttrump.

Fletch said:

Trump hasn't accomplished much in the way of legislation but legislation is done by the legislative branch, not the executive branch. So put the blame where it belongs.

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He said he would do it and make sure it gets done.

NeverTrumpGOP said:

Trump gets great ratings!!!! So much for all those day one promises huh?



A year after his surprise election, 65 percent say Trump's achieved little (POLL) - ABC News

Also at the 65% levels are the following questions:

• Do you think Trump has the kind of personality and temperament it takes to serve effectively as president, or not? 66% NO.
• Do you think Trump is honest and trustworthy, or not? 65% NO.
• Do you think Trump understands the problems of people like you, or not? 62% NO.
• How much do you trust Trump to act responsibly in handling the situation involving North Korea - a great deal, a good amount, just some or not at all? 67% Trust Some/Not at all

Questions at 70% NO:

• What kind of job do you think Trump is doing on improving the health care system? Not so good/Poor 70%
• What kind of job do you think Trump is doing on dealing with race relations? Not so good/Poor 70%

Now before all you Trumpsters start whining about liberal bias the poll was actually mostly made up of independents 38% of the people were independents and that was the majority sample group.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/page...al-Politics/Polling/release_502.xml?tid=a_inl

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Trump has accomplished, in his first 9 mos., probably the least compared to any President in my conscious political lifetime, which goes back to Ford.

(I became politically aware during Nixon, but only his last couple years.)

NeverTrumpGOP said:

Trump gets great ratings!!!! So much for all those day one promises huh?



A year after his surprise election, 65 percent say Trump's achieved little (POLL) - ABC News

Also at the 65% levels are the following questions:

• Do you think Trump has the kind of personality and temperament it takes to serve effectively as president, or not? 66% NO.
• Do you think Trump is honest and trustworthy, or not? 65% NO.
• Do you think Trump understands the problems of people like you, or not? 62% NO.
• How much do you trust Trump to act responsibly in handling the situation involving North Korea - a great deal, a good amount, just some or not at all? 67% Trust Some/Not at all

Questions at 70% NO:

• What kind of job do you think Trump is doing on improving the health care system? Not so good/Poor 70%
• What kind of job do you think Trump is doing on dealing with race relations? Not so good/Poor 70%

Now before all you Trumpsters start whining about liberal bias the poll was actually mostly made up of independents 38% of the people were independents and that was the majority sample group.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/page...al-Politics/Polling/release_502.xml?tid=a_inl

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None of this matters to most Trump supporters.

For those who don’t care for Trump, I opine that these types of polls create a false sense of hope that Trump isn’t living up to his campaign rhetoric thus his supporters will see Trump as a failing president.

Wrong. Give up such notions.

The Trump’s supporters fantasy is that the early stages of Trump’s presidency is being used to disrupt/dismantle the status quo...and eventually bring down the power mongers behind Washington. Constitutional restoration will bloom. The oppressive regulations and taxation that’s stifled America’s greatness hwill be shredded and burned. Finally the abused, exploited citizens’ will be freed from their bondage of government’s evil reign and finally be able to live happily ever after.

The above comes with a price. The price is voter devoted participation in their Constitutional role to ensure government never returns to the pre-Trump era. In other words, voter complacency and apathy has to be abandoned henceforth in order to maintain the caliber of politicians that Trump has shown himself to be.

Personally - I can’t wait to see what the post-Trump presidency America will actual become. I hope America will be able to survive the years of one debacle after another. Will the citizens be able to recover the redistribution of America’s wealth from all of Trump’s offshore bank accounts?

code1211 said:

Where is "up here"?

So you are in support of all of his goals, but still hope he fails to achieve them.

Interesting bit of self loathing under which you seem to suffer.

Obama did many things that were good. Most of them were in the "not doing anything to hurt" category. That is the way in which all presidents produce their best assistance for the rest of us.

Obama's most profound chance to achieve, which he fumbled miserably, was the absolutely unique chance to go into the inner cities and the community centers and organizations and proclaim that anyone in this country can rise above circumstance and become president. His message should have been, "You are the master of your fate, the captain of your soul".

No other president in our history had this absolutely unique chance to deliver this message with authority and credibility to those that desperately needed to hear it.

Instead, his message was that Whitey is holding you down and you have no chance to rise, progress, advance or improve absent help from "The Man". the underlying message was that the man was withholding that help and actively trying to keep the Black Man down.

One thing that Obama did was to apply economy strangling regulations which Trump is rolling back one after another. This is good news for business. That and the mere promise of a less punitive tax system is producing results that Obama could have produced, but chose not to.

Since Trump took office, the economy is growing at a 3% rate. Obama managed to avoid, through his entire administration, even one year that had a growth rate of 3%. Given the hole the economy was in when he assumed the reigns, this seems impossible, but he did it.

This was the result of his policies.

The current robust growth is the result of the beginning of the removal of his policies combined with the promise of a rational approach to taxation.

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"Up here", as in Canada, where I live...hehe... Sorry, hope that clarifies the context a bit, might answer some questions.

And it's not that I hope he fails at all. I doubt very many of the folks criticising him are doing it because they hope he fails, but rather that they are afraid he will fail, and I doubt it would require very much reflection on your part to understand why. It would be like a drunk 7 year old driving down your street... It's not that you hope he crashes into you, but rather the fear he will that makes you get the heck out of the way...hehe...

But, ok, we're chatting... What policies of Obama's specifically do you think will stimulate economic growth and prosperity for the *average* American?