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'Russian trolls' promoted California independence

LOL. It takes three for meddling to be effective. #1 is the source, #2 is the media, #3 is the voters.

And let's not forget Calexit took place in response to Trump's election, so if it was the Russians, the media was pretty damn silent about it!

And in some cases it only needs to take one if that party actively seeks the dissolution of the United States to begin with, such as when you said, "If I were splitting the state, I'd damn well take the Russian money. What ever it takes to delete southern California would be a good thing. "

If you took Russian money to assist in dissolving the United States, that would literally make you a traitor.

Also, if you ever wanted to get a security clearance or work in enforcement or Intelligence, your post would automatically DQ you.
 
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So Calexit was fake news. So what?

Ok, I condemn them along with anyone else who is fomenting division in the US. Which is virtually the entirety of both political parties. Now what?

Okay, so condemn them. I've see you addressing me, but you have yet to address the one guy in this thread who specifically stated that he would take Russian money to dissolve the Union.
 
You may or may not have seen the million or so times I have studiously discriminated here on this site the VAST different between liberals and leftists. And while we could agree the stupidity is commonly put on display by the extremist left AND the extremist right...it just so happens that in this thread is it on display by extremist leftists.

What am I reading here? Either I need to speed up or you should slow down.....
 
You may or may not have seen the million or so times I have studiously discriminated here on this site the VAST different between liberals and leftists. And while we could agree the stupidity is commonly put on display by the extremist left AND the extremist right...it just so happens that in this thread is it on display by extremist leftists.

I think you play into the attempts to divide America by determining that a thread started by an "extremist leftist" and that poster's personal experiences are invalidated by the aforementioned label. I also don't understand what's stupid about the possibility that a very tiny movement like Calexit was amplified by the Russian attempts to destroy America using methods widely known due to the Presidential election.

It's exactly like the Twilight Zone episode The Monsters are Due on Maple Street. A half hour that should be mandatory viewing for every single American in the gutter-era of our politics.
 
I think you play into the attempts to divide America by determining that a thread started by an "extremist leftist" and that poster's personal experiences are invalidated by the aforementioned label. I also don't understand what's stupid about the possibility that a very tiny movement like Calexit was amplified by the Russian attempts to destroy America using methods widely known due to the Presidential election.

It's exactly like the Twilight Zone episode The Monsters are Due on Maple Street. A half hour that should be mandatory viewing for every single American in the gutter-era of our politics.

That's not a bad pop-culture reference, but Needful Things is particularly on point.
 
Man remember when right-wingers thought Russia was an enemy? :lamo

Now they're totally ok with Russia making concerted effort to divide America.

Not at all. But we need to spend considerable time and effort refuting the claim that Trump was in on it.
 
Not at all. But we need to spend considerable time and effort refuting the claim that Trump was in on it.

wah wah wah. Remember when considerable time and effort and money even refuting the conservative lies of

President Obama was born in Kenya
His BC a forgery
Death panels
(put every lie about Obamacare here)
the stimulus will cause hyperinflation, dollar collapse, market to zero
the vile and disgusting stand down lies

Athan, nobody has to believe lies to think trump colluded. And fyi, posting "nuh uh" over and over refutes nothing.
 
And in some cases it only needs to take one if that party actively seeks the dissolution of the United States to begin with, such as when you said, "If I were splitting the state, I'd damn well take the Russian money. What ever it takes to delete southern California would be a good thing. "

If you took Russian money to assist in dissolving the United States, that would literally make you a traitor.

Also, if you ever wanted to get a security clearance or work in enforcement or Intelligence, your post would automatically DQ you.

Hardly. Money laundering is the stock in trade for politicians.
 
Hardly. Money laundering is the stock in trade for politicians.

Nice non-sequitur.

Two questions:
1) Is it traitorous to receive money from a hostile foreign government to assist in the dissolution of the United States?
2) If you were applying for a security clearance, tell me how you would answer the following question: "Have you ever expressed a desire to take money from Russia in order to assist in the dissolution of the country?"

I know you won't answer either of those questions because you can't without doubling down or admitting that your comment was traitorous.
 
:shock: And yet because the Russian investigation tied to Trump is so polarized most of this is going to be swept under the rug by half the country. These are the same people who will never ever admit to being duped and probably will also never admit Trump is a liar.

:roll:pot meet kettle

Anyone who initially bought into the whole Russian Trump collusion tin hattery was duped, and anyone who still buys into it has no right to call anyone including Trump a liar
 
:roll:pot meet kettle

Anyone who initially bought into the whole Russian Trump collusion tin hattery was duped, and anyone who still buys into it has no right to call anyone including Trump a liar

Are you lost?
 
Why California?! Over that senseless and off-the-cuff "Calexit" stupidity?

Isn't Texas the state that constantly throws the succession tantrum? The Russians would have been better off focusing their "independence" push there.

And they do...... but Putin doesn't put all his eggs in one basket. The FSB are licking their chops; they see this as a great chance to weaken America by promoting division.
 
And they do...... but Putin doesn't put all his eggs in one basket. The FSB are licking their chops; they see this as a great chance to weaken America by promoting division.

Ironic, they seek to promote (exploit) what we willingly and happily do for ourselves. Even with the knowledge that the world seeks to use our idiocy against us, we still play the game. It's a team effort. We should be so proud.
 
Ironic, they seek to promote (exploit) what we willingly and happily do for ourselves. Even with the knowledge that the world seeks to use our idiocy against us, we still play the game. It's a team effort. We should be so proud.

Americans have always been a stubborn and quarrelsome people. You can tell us all the facts in the world, but if it goes against our preconcieved notions you might as well be talking to a brick wall.
 
I was replying the poster that went off the Trump / Putin collusion deep end right out of the gate.

You are right. Moderategop brought it up first.
 
Ironic, they seek to promote (exploit) what we willingly and happily do for ourselves. Even with the knowledge that the world seeks to use our idiocy against us, we still play the game. It's a team effort. We should be so proud.

It would help so much if people would just start acting like emotionally mature adults and come to terms with Hillary's loss instead of pushing this russian collusion tin hattery.

But the odds of that happening are slim to none.
You and every other Trump hater can continue to rage all you want, but dont pretend your'e not as much to blame over this continued division as the next guy, because you are
 
It would help so much if people would just start acting like emotionally mature adults and come to terms with Hillary's loss instead of pushing this russian collusion tin hattery.

But the odds of that happening are slim to none.
You and every other Trump hater can continue to rage all you want, but dont pretend your'e not as much to blame over this continued division as the next guy, because you are

Okay, now I can say, "Are you lost?"
 
Shocker. I remember when the various Calexit stories would come out, and I thought how curious it was that absolutely nobody in my neighborhood, my friends, my extended Facebook network, nobody on legitimate news...just nobody at all...was making a peep about California exiting from the Union. And yet for a few months we kept seeing these odd stories of Calexit popping up on this forum by people citing obscure or obvious CT websites.

The issue was pushed by Russian trolls for the purpose of...get ready for it...dividing American citizens.





'Russian trolls' promoted California independence - BBC News

The threads started here on Calexit:

https://www.debatepolitics.com/search.php?searchid=7101152

Only one of those threads features an otherwise respectable news source (Business Insider) that discusses Calexit. However, the only reason Business Insider was discussing it at all was because it was citing Yes California, a fringe movement pushing for independence from the United States.

And what about Yes California?

before Yes California, it was Yes EU, Yes Scotland etc. Kremlin thugs are doing it for YEARS AND YEARS...

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just look who writes it, a Kremlin official

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It would help so much if people would just start acting like emotionally mature adults and come to terms with Hillary's loss instead of pushing this russian collusion tin hattery.

But the odds of that happening are slim to none.
You and every other Trump hater can continue to rage all you want, but dont pretend your'e not as much to blame over this continued division as the next guy, because you are

Allow me to introduce myself properly, so that you don't make this mistake again...

1) Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton is, and has always been, political garbage, who proved not to be up to the task of beating even a buffoon. Any actual GOP, ad real conservative, other than Trump would have obliterated her. You people, through your zealotry and simple thinking, almost gave the election to her because of your pathetic worship of the great orange one.

2) Your continued need to pretend that people's complaints about Trump is all about Hillary losing, despite him constantly rubbing piss-poor behavior in your face, is mere diversion because you have no argument for why you even support Trump. He has taken every senseless slogan that excited you and flipped it.

3) Your need to define the world into two, with you sad Trump worshipers on one side and Clinton supporters on the other, is exactly why "division" is a thing.

4) After spending eight years clinging to the idea that Obama is not American, a secret Muslim, or a terrorist sympathizer, and absorbing as much nonsense you could in order to legitimize a mindless seething hate, you people don't get to pretend that today's division is a matter of both sharing equal responsibility. Your morally depraved behaviors for eight years is exactly why an immoral man like Trump could come along and tie a leash around you, even as leading members of the GOP tried to break your infatuation.

It's not the Trump haters who are the problem, son. It is absolutely you. It's you Trump devotees, who are so lost in your ideological identities that you can't decide whether or not a "commie" is a bad thing anymore, whether or not a self-acknowledged sex offender and marital cheat should represent you and your family, whether or not you are allowed to support the military one day to the next, or what the definition of a conservative even is anymore. You have enthusiastically decided that no matter how many promises to you he flips, no matter how unprofessional and unstatesman-like he behaves, no matter how many embarrassing and off-the-cuff Tweets he provides, and no matter how much even comes out with this investigation, this man absolutely represents who you are.

"Drain the Swamp?"
"Lock Her Up?"
"Build a Wall?"
"Make America Great Again?"

This mindless and apparently meaningless crap is what you elected him for. What a joke. Are we properly introduced now?
 
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