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Sen. Elizabeth Warren says 2016 Democratic primary was rigged

Verax said:
Denied by Hillary supporters and the DNC. There was this Bernie wing that was pretty vocal about it, I guess you missed that.
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Bernie better make a lot of noise about this. If he doesn't, may be I was wrong about supporting him.
Does anyone else feel cheated?
 
bubbabgone said:
This is a very big story right now.
Haven't you heard about Donna Brazile's book?
It devastates Hillary.
Brazile says Hillary took over the Party's finances in 2015 in preparation for her campaign and had all the Party's officers jumping through hoops.
The excerpt by POLITICO is incredibly interesting.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

I'd start a thread on it but I'm pretty lazy and I figured someone would have posted one by now.
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apdst said:
This was only made public last year. :lamo
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The DNC was balls deep in election rigging by the beginning of 2016. I mean hell, the very first caucus in IOWA there were 6 leftover delegates and they "flipped coins" for them. Somehow Hillary won all 6. That should have given anyone with a bit of common sense a little hint how it was going to go. CNN and the Huffington Post pretended Bernie didn't exist most of the time but when they did they talked about him like he was the second coming of Satan. They scheduled like what 5 Democratic debates at times when nobody would watch. This is not news.
 
sanman said:
Senator Elizabeth Warren has stated that the 2016 Democratic Primary was rigged:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/sen-elizabeth-warren-says-2016-democratic-primary-was-rigged







She's like, "Those people... in that Democratic Party of theirs... they seem to have rigged that ****"

AHAHAHAhAHAAHAHAHA! :lamo

"I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you!"

Give me a break! The rats are going cannibal and eating each other. :lol:

Poor Elizabeth - she must be miffed that Hillary didn't pick her for VP nominee. :2razz:

"... and one of them... even tried to play up that she was Native American, or something...."

(That was the left side of Elizabeth's brain ratting out the right side)

GTFO! :2wave:


Personally, I'm appalled that Vladimir Putin was able to hack the Democratic Primary process. I demand an immediate investigation by Mueller. We can't allow the Russians to be rigging who can be nominated for one of the 2 main parties in the 2-party system.

Bunch of mentalcases.
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She's using an old Indian trick to get out of blame. :lamo
 
Lovebug said:
Bernie better make a lot of noise about this. If he doesn't, may be I was wrong about supporting him.
Does anyone else feel cheated?
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Hell yes I feel cheated, the whole thing was a sham. I doubt Bernie will reopen old wounds too much. He might have a couple comments but I doubt he's going to run with it. The Democratic party is trying to purge him and if he goes negative they will smear him and it's game over.
 
Verax said:
The DNC was balls deep in election rigging by the beginning of 2016. I mean hell, the very first caucus in IOWA there were 6 leftover delegates and they "flipped coins" for them. Somehow Hillary won all 6. That should have given anyone with a bit of common sense a little hint how it was going to go. CNN and the Huffington Post pretended Bernie didn't exist most of the time but when they did they talked about him like he was the second coming of Satan. They scheduled like what 5 Democratic debates at times when nobody would watch. This is not news.
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So the DNC did to Bernie pretty much what the Russians did to Hillary in the election? How come the election wasn't "rigged" too?
But yea it was obvious that the DNC supported the only Democrat in the race. I wonder why that is? They need to change their name to the "Anything but Republican National Committee" I guess.
 
iguanaman said:
So the DNC did to Bernie pretty much what the Russians did to Hillary in the election? How come the election wasn't "rigged" too?
But yea it was obvious that the DNC supported the only Democrat in the race. I wonder why that is? They need to change their name to the "Anything but Republican National Committee" I guess.
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Who says the general election wasn't rigged?

If Bernie shouldn't have been allowed in the Democratic primary then they should have made it explicit. Instead they used every dirty trick in the book and she still almost lost. How crappy of a candidate do you have to be to almost lose a rigged election? Ask Trump.
 
I thought this was old news?
 
She's kinda late to the party, isn't she?
I mean, most everyone else had already figured this out.
 
I wanna know what criminal charges are going to be laid here.
 
Verax said:
Who says the general election wasn't rigged?

If Bernie shouldn't have been allowed in the Democratic primary then they should have made it explicit. Instead they used every dirty trick in the book and she still almost lost. How crappy of a candidate do you have to be to almost lose a rigged election? Ask Trump.
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Hillary had 2.5 million more votes in the primaries than Bernie. Is that what you call "almost losing"? Bernie chose to run as a Democrat it wasn't the DNC's choice. I think Hillary lost some votes because some of his "supporters" would not even listen to him enough to vote the way he asked them to. So in hindsight the DNC probably should have shown Bernie the door, I'm afraid he did more harm than good. His supporters seemed to get that "glazed eye" look because he sounded too good and no one could compete.
 
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sanman said:
I wanna know what criminal charges are going to be laid here.
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Since the DNC isn't a publicly accountable corporation or organization, I think rather little and rather few, if any at all.
 
chuckiechan said:
I don't think they did, they just scuttled the competition, took all the state money as their own, and still blew it. Either way, the country needed a respite from swamp creatures out to feather their own nests on our dime.
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Bernie had money problems? That's news to me. What they got is a greedy orange Sasquatch instead and he is now king of his own swamp.
 
iguanaman said:
Yes, that was the consensus. But how did the DNC "rig" the primary then? The DNC did not do to Bernie what the Russians did to Hillary.
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Delusional. This is absolutely delusional. To deny that the 2016 primary was rigged for Hillary is straight-up doublethink. Like, I love that you have the temerity to claim that Russians leaking Hillary's behavior is somehow worse than Hillary and Co. actually manipulating the rules of the primary. In other words, Candidate A cheated Candidate B, but what's worse than that is that is was revealed (apparently only a tiny fraction of the corruption, really). Thus the election was rigged against Candidate A but not Candidate B. That's just so absurd the only useful response I could give you is this link.
 
iguanaman said:
Hillary had 2.5 million more votes in the primaries than Bernie. Is that what you call "almost losing"? Bernie chose to run as a Democrat it wasn't the DNC's choice. I think Hillary lost some votes because some of his "supporters" would not even listen to him enough to vote the way he asked them to. So in hindsight the DNC probably should have shown Bernie the door, I'm afraid he did more harm than good. His supporters seemed to get that "glazed eye" look because he sounded too good and no one could compete.
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Well if you factor in the media being totally in the bag for Clinton, the DNC basically being the Clinton campaign, and some questionable exit polls in Nevada, Arizona, and I can't remember the other states. And this is only the tip of the iceberg, she didn't really win that big did she? If the race had been straight up who would have won? I don't know. But she didn't win fair and square, she cheated.

Would you prefer Bernie run as an independent and split the Dem vote in the general? If Clinton couldn't hold off Bernie in the primary without cheating or losing the general because she is so dishonest and unlikable, then she shouldn't have been the candidate.

Congratulations on demeaning Sanders supporters, we're about half the party. That's gonna really help win the next election.

There was every indication that if Sanders went up against Trump it would have been a landslide. But instead you guys ran a candidate so flawed she lost to a raging prick that has ended up the worst president in history. I'd say Hillary and the DNC did a LOT more harm than good. Sanders would have done just fine.
 
eohrnberger said:
Since the DNC isn't a publicly accountable corporation or organization, I think rather little and rather few, if any at all.
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There are campaign finance laws at issue here - some money was being exchanged between Hillary's campaign & DNC.
 
sanman said:
Senator Elizabeth Warren has stated that the 2016 Democratic Primary was rigged:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/sen-elizabeth-warren-says-2016-democratic-primary-was-rigged







She's like, "Those people... in that Democratic Party of theirs... they seem to have rigged that ****"

AHAHAHAhAHAAHAHAHA! :lamo

"I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you!"

Give me a break! The rats are going cannibal and eating each other. :lol:

Poor Elizabeth - she must be miffed that Hillary didn't pick her for VP nominee. :2razz:

"... and one of them... even tried to play up that she was Native American, or something...."

(That was the left side of Elizabeth's brain ratting out the right side)

GTFO! :2wave:


Personally, I'm appalled that Vladimir Putin was able to hack the Democratic Primary process. I demand an immediate investigation by Mueller. We can't allow the Russians to be rigging who can be nominated for one of the 2 main parties in the 2-party system.

Bunch of mentalcases.
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Unfortunately this was to be expected, as the party is slowly but surely losing itself. The DNC is falling apart, and those that haven't jumped ship are trying to scramble for the largest piece of lumber to keep their asses afloat.
 
Verax said:
Well if you factor in the media being totally in the bag for Clinton, the DNC basically being the Clinton campaign, and some questionable exit polls in Nevada, Arizona, and I can't remember the other states. And this is only the tip of the iceberg, she didn't really win that big did she? If the race had been straight up who would have won? I don't know. But she didn't win fair and square, she cheated.

Would you prefer Bernie run as an independent and split the Dem vote in the general? If Clinton couldn't hold off Bernie in the primary without cheating or losing the general because she is so dishonest and unlikable, then she shouldn't have been the candidate.

Congratulations on demeaning Sanders supporters, we're about half the party. That's gonna really help win the next election.

There was every indication that if Sanders went up against Trump it would have been a landslide. But instead you guys ran a candidate so flawed she lost to a raging prick that has ended up the worst president in history. I'd say Hillary and the DNC did a LOT more harm than good. Sanders would have done just fine.
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If you don't want to be "demeaned" get with the program and wise up, it's not an all or nothing proposition. Get behind any Democrat on the ballot or you will lose it all to the radical right. This inter-party bickering is a losing battle as you can see.
Bernie split the party anyway and I'm sorry if you thought I blamed him for it. It was his idiot supporters who couldn't do the one single most important thing that Bernie asked them to do.... Vote for Hillary. It is those I blame. Bernie didn't expect of even want to win, he wanted to move Clinton to the left and he did. Then when he needed you most you failed him miserably. You got fooled by Russian trolls and stayed home, some even voted for Trump. There would be no joy in Mudville that day and as you mentioned we got TRUMP.

BTW There is no indication that Bernie could have beat anyone in the General and I do know that a Jewish Socialist from Brooklyn would have had a hard time nationally in any election. Trump never even went after him because he knew what was in those emails before any of us did. Yes sir he played those Bernie supporters like a violin. Does it make the entire Left look weak? You bet it does.
 
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iguanaman said:
If you don't want to be "demeaned" get with the program and wise up, it's not an all or nothing proposition. Get behind any Democrat on the ballot or you will lose it all to the radical right. This inter-party bickering is a losing battle as you can see.
Bernie split the party anyway and I'm sorry if you thought I blamed him for it. It was his idiot supporters who couldn't do the one single most important thing that Bernie asked them to do.... Vote for Hillary. It is those I blame. Bernie didn't expect of even want to win, he wanted to move Clinton to the left and he did. Then when he needed you most you failed him miserably. You got fooled by Russian trolls and stayed home, some even voted for Trump. There would be no joy in Mudville that day.
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Ohh - do you forget the numerous Hillary supporters who were so outraged when Obama "stole" the nomination from her, that they openly threatened to vote Republican? What a convenient memory you have.

Nobody is obligated to vote Democrat - there are plenty of voters who cross party lines because their preferred candidate didn't get the nomination. Hillary was clearly a crooked swamp creature, and Bernie supporters were not out of line in preferring Trump over Hillary, since Trump was also a disruptive threat to the swamp.
 
sanman said:
Ohh - do you forget the numerous Hillary supporters who were so outraged when Obama "stole" the nomination from her, that they openly threatened to vote Republican? What a convenient memory you have.

Nobody is obligated to vote Democrat - there are plenty of voters who cross party lines because their preferred candidate didn't get the nomination. Hillary was clearly a crooked swamp creature, and Bernie supporters were not out of line in preferring Trump over Hillary, since Trump was also a disruptive threat to the swamp.
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Yes they are perfectly free to vent their anger by voting for a lying buffoon. But I don't think they knew just how stupid that was.
And Obama won with a higher % of the vote than any Republican in 30 years and there was not a significant amount of Hillary supporters that did not vote for Obama.
 
Oborosen said:
Unfortunately this was to be expected, as the party is slowly but surely losing itself. The DNC is falling apart, and those that haven't jumped ship are trying to scramble for the largest piece of lumber to keep their asses afloat.
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I think of it as more of a transition period, an "out with the old guard and in with the new", so to speak. The problem is the left doesn't have a leader at the moment. But one thing they do have that the right doesn't is that as a party they still largely agree on the issues.
 
Moot said:
I think of it as more of a transition period, an "out with the old guard and in with the new", so to speak. The problem is the left doesn't have a leader at the moment. But one thing they do have that the right doesn't is that as a party they still largely agree on the issues.
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Yes they do, but its becoming apparent that more then a few of them are willing to step on each other to even get a remote chance of being part of the "new" group.
They were allied so well with one another during the election, but when Hillary lost it fractured the entire bedrock of the whole DNC. If they do managed to get a strong nomination in 2020, it will be a supremely hard fought victory for most of them.
 
Oborosen said:
Yes they do, but its becoming apparent that more then a few of them are willing to step on each other to even get a remote chance of being part of the "new" group.
They were allied so well with one another during the election, but when Hillary lost it fractured the entire bedrock of the whole DNC. If they do managed to get a strong nomination in 2020, it will be a supremely hard fought victory for most of them.
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Lets hope they do and soon because I think the earth's survival (and ours) might depend on it.
 
Moot said:
Lets hope they do and soon because I think the earth's survival (and ours) might depend on it.
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I wouldn't go so far as to say that, but I wouldn't hold my breath for the DNC right now. They seem entirely set on self destruction for the time being, and its going to take a rather heavy hitter to get them on some sort of right track.

They need a young up, and comer from the primaries.
Someone to inject new life into such an old group.
 
iguanaman said:
Yes they are perfectly free to vent their anger by voting for a lying buffoon. But I don't think they knew just how stupid that was.
And Obama won with a higher % of the vote than any Republican in 30 years and there was not a significant amount of Hillary supporters that did not vote for Obama.
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That was just because he was the first African-American, and not because he was particularly brilliant.
 
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