After New York attack, Trump calls for ending 'Diversity Visa Lottery Program'

WASHINGTON — President Trump said Wednesday he would renew efforts to kill a particular immigration program in the wake of the terrorist attack in New York City.

"The terrorist came into our country through what is called the 'Diversity Visa Lottery Program,' a Chuck Schumer beauty. I want merit based," Trump tweeted, referring to the Senate Democratic leader who hails from New York.

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I think ending this program would be "prudent".

Question: Is it "protection" or "cowardice" that makes a football player wear padding and a helmet?

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Buzz62 said:

I think ending this program would be "prudent".

Question: Is it "protection" or "cowardice" that makes a football player wear padding and a helmet?

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It certainly takes the gladiator‘s thrill out of it.

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joG said:

It certainly takes the gladiator‘s thrill out of it.

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LOL...ya it does that.
However gladiators wore padding and helmets...

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Buzz62 said:

I think ending this program would be "prudent".

Question: Is it "protection" or "cowardice" that makes a football player wear padding and a helmet?

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What is the correlation here?

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Buzz62 said:

I think ending this program would be "prudent".

Question: Is it "protection" or "cowardice" that makes a football player wear padding and a helmet?

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See, I know what you want by asking this question, you've asked it over and over in the threads, it appears to be a happy talking point you've settled on. However, it's a false equivalency because in the football game the threat of getting hit is constant, and the point of the game, and every player you face is supposed to try to tackle you.

Your question should be, is it protection or cowardice if the football player wears their pads and helmet on and off the field, whether it's game time or not, because they are afraid (and there's your answer, by the way) that someone might hit them outside of the football field because it happens to someone, somewhere, a couple times a year.

Basing policy off of the actions of a miniscule portion of the overall demographic isn't just cowardice, it's chicken **** dumbassery of the highest level, and using tragedies to drive that broken, diseased mentality is gross. If you strip away the "terrorist" branding, and look at murders by demographic statistics, you instantly see this, it's old news...that is, if you're willing to have your partisan position be weakened, which of course no one chirping about this will ever be willing to do.

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Buzz62 said:

I think ending this program would be "prudent".
Question: Is it "protection" or "cowardice" that makes a football player wear padding and a helmet?

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Wouldn't one need an estimate of the relative risk?

I mean, it's protection to use protective eye wear when using a grinder.
But it's cowardice to use protective eye wear when performing oral sex.

The difference being the relative risk.

So, would you provide us with some risk assessment so we can properly answer your question?

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Buzz62 said:

I think ending this program would be "prudent".

Question: Is it "protection" or "cowardice" that makes a football player wear padding and a helmet?

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Trump is not only politicizing a tragedy, but he's doing it with lies. Schumer was part of Gang of 8 who did away w/ Diversity Visa Program.

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OlNate said:

See, I know what you want by asking this question, you've asked it over and over in the threads, it appears to be a happy talking point you've settled on. However, it's a false equivalency because in the football game the threat of getting hit is constant, and the point of the game, and every player you face is supposed to try to tackle you.

Your question should be, is it protection or cowardice if the football player wears their pads and helmet on and off the field, whether it's game time or not, because they are afraid (and there's your answer, by the way) that someone might hit them outside of the football field because it happens to someone, somewhere, a couple times a year.

Basing policy off of the actions of a miniscule portion of the overall demographic isn't just cowardice, it's chicken **** dumbassery of the highest level, and using tragedies to drive that broken, diseased mentality is gross. If you strip away the "terrorist" branding, and look at murders by demographic statistics, you instantly see this, it's old news...that is, if you're willing to have your partisan position be weakened, which of course no one chirping about this will ever be willing to do.

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This is typical trumpism, playing to his base, the lowest common denominator.

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Buzz62 said:

LOL...ya it does that.
However gladiators wore padding and helmets...

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Yes! A real world enigma.

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I read these threads about supposed solutions to what are random acts by terrorist and read ideas that are something like: "all we need to do is {insert solution here} and America will be safe."

The reality is that yesterday's terrorist attack was caused by someone who was not on the country list that the Trump Administration devised. So, even if the courts gave the green light to Trump months ago, nothing different would have happened. Moreover, a few weeks ago there was a terrorist attack in Las Vegas promulgated by a white American citizen.

What people don't want to grasp is that the nature of random acts of violence, is that they are indeed random and precautions aren't going to make you 100% safe. However, solace can be taken that the odds of dying in a terrorist act is about equal to being hit by lightning.

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I hadn't know the Gang of 8 did away with it already. Did Schumer also usher it in beforehand?

I understand why you people would oppose any sort of restrictive action against a whole group of people.
I also understand the argument that the risk is so minimal that it can easily be dismissed.
But this risk is evident, and is not the same as some angry citizen opening fire in Vegas. This particular threat is being allowed to come into the nation, with the intent to kill people. With a hatred of you, and your nation. We have seen already, that no matter how careful immigration officials are, there is no way to guarantee all migrants or visitors, are "safe".
People in Europe scoffed at the risk and the reservations to Muslim migration. Today, Austria, Hungary and Czech have proclaimed they will not take "refugees". It is now referred to as a "crisis". These terrorist groups who radicalize people, and have declared war of the entire western civilization, have already told us they are gonna do this, and they are doing it.
I'm not saying people should freak out and burn down mosques or any such nonsense. But the government needs to put a helmet on the nation.

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Why are we the World's Toilet where they send us their crapola? Approved by Democrats for their future voters!

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Trump is proving why he's a magnificent president.

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I'm curious. Why is diversity beneficial to the American way of life?

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fmw said:

I'm curious. Why is diversity beneficial to the American way of life?

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Diversity is beneficial. In many ways. In fact, one could easily argue that diversity created America.

I think what's going on here is an expression of guilt for things like "Shock and Awe". And of course, opposition to anything Trump. I think its dangerous.

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Buzz62 said:

Diversity is beneficial. In many ways. In fact, one could easily argue that diversity created America.

I think what's going on here is an expression of guilt for things like "Shock and Awe". And of course, opposition to anything Trump. I think its dangerous.

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Beneficial in what ways?

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fmw said:

Beneficial in what ways?

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Do you like going to Chinatown for dinner?
Diversity promotes new ideas and ways of looking at things.

I get the impression that I'm getting a reputation as a "red-neck". As an alt-right harpy.
As I have said before, I don't get scared or frightened by threats. I get angry.
There most certainly is a threat. And this odd response of refusal to acknowledge the threat, complicates things for me.
I don't really understand it. Many think Trump promotes "hate". This Islamic threat is real hatred. Palpable hatred. Murderous hatred. It needs to be dealt with as such, not as a lightning strike. If this belief makes me a "red-neck" then so be it I suppose.

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slick said:

Why are we the World's Toilet where they send us their crapola?

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Nobody sends us anything the "crapola" here is the degenerate Trump supporters.

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reinoe said:

Trump is proving why he's a magnificent president.

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Only to the morons who elected him.

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slick said:

Why are we the World's Toilet where they send us their crapola? Approved by Democrats for their future voters!

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Kind of ignorant, yeah? This should be fun...

If one were to define the "crapola," it certainly would not be those who have to cross an ocean to arrive in the U.S. The poorer and more uneducated merely walk across borders. For example, let's first take a look at the Iranian exodus of 1979...

- Of the one hundred thousand students who were abroad during the Islamic Revolution of 1978-79, 51,310 were enrolled in United States universities. Most opted to remain in the United States upon graduation, rather than return to Iran where their contributions to society would have to be defined in accordance to Islam.

- According to the 1990 Census of Population and Housing, in regards to the foreign-born population of age twenty-five or higher, fifty-one percent of the incoming Iranians held college and post-graduate degrees.

- By 2000, according to a study conducted by the Iranian Studies Group at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and released in 2005, the educational level of Iranian-Americans continued to impress because it was well above the national average.

- By 2009, an International Monetary Fund (IMF) report indicated that more than 420,000 Iranians with higher education degrees resided in the United States, of which 250,000 were physicians and engineers.


Are you a physician or an engineer? What is your contribution to the American society? So much for "crapola." But now let's take a look at those who cross the border or within the lower immigrant status...

- Throughout the history of the United States, people from other countries have been brought over to work in our fields. Often they come against their will. Obviously, we have Africans and European indentured servants, but this later included Asian and then Mexican workers.

- According to the 2012 National Center for Farmworker Health fact sheet, 72% of all farm workers were foreign born. Sixty-eight percent of these farm workers were born in Mexico.

Now, one of the ignorant arguments made against immigration is that "they are taking our jobs." Well, despite pay raises and labor benefits over the last few years, native-born Americans continue to refuse to take jobs in the fields. Did some Mexican take your grape picking job?

Jeff Marchini and others in the Central Valley here bet their farms on the election of Donald J. Trump. His message of reducing regulations and taxes appealed to this Republican stronghold, one of Mr. Trump’s strongest bases of support in the state.

As for his promises about cracking down on illegal immigrants, many assumed Mr. Trump’s pledges were mostly just talk. But two weeks into his administration, Mr. Trump has signed executive orders that have upended the country’s immigration laws. Now farmers here are deeply alarmed about what the new policies could mean for their workers, most of whom are unauthorized, and the businesses that depend on them.

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Will you go pick my tomatoes so the "crapola" doesn't do it? Another half-hearted slogan of Republicans is that anybody can make it in America if they just pull up their boots and work hard. Well, many migrant workers, turned American, have gone from picking your grapes, to owning wineries.

I'd suggest a couple books, but I suspect you are more comfortable clinging to an ignorant ideology.

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Can we ban trucks, too? And pellet guns? What about bike paths?

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Buzz62 said:

Do you like going to Chinatown for dinner?
Diversity promotes new ideas and ways of looking at things.

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I can't imagine why it would have anything to do with it. I don't understand what differences in race or native country have anything at all to do with new ideas. I think you get that from humanity regardless of race or native country. I can't explain why diversity means anything at all. But if you like it, you have it.

I get the impression that I'm getting a reputation as a "red-neck". As an alt-right harpy.
As I have said before, I don't get scared or frightened by threats. I get angry.
There most certainly is a threat. And this odd response of refusal to acknowledge the threat, complicates things for me.
I don't really understand it. Many think Trump promotes "hate". This Islamic threat is real hatred. Palpable hatred. Murderous hatred. It needs to be dealt with as such, not as a lightning strike. If this belief makes me a "red-neck" then so be it I suppose.

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I didn't mean to set off a diatribe and I certainly didn't threaten you. I agree that islamism is hatred. If I had my way we would ban immigration or even visitation by all people from any predominantly muslim country. I would continue it until the religion cleaned itself up. The first amendment doesn't apply to people in other countries. Islamic terrorism is the most senseless thing I've seen in my entire life.

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Khayembii Communique said:

Can we ban trucks, too? And pellet guns? What about bike paths?

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We can ban immigration from predominantly muslim countries.

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MSgt said:

Kind of ignorant, yeah? This should be fun...

If one were to define the "crapola," it certainly would not be those who have to cross an ocean to arrive in the U.S. The poorer and more uneducated merely walk across borders. For example, let's first take a look at the Iranian exodus of 1979...

- Of the one hundred thousand students who were abroad during the Islamic Revolution of 1978-79, 51,310 were enrolled in United States universities. Most opted to remain in the United States upon graduation, rather than return to Iran where their contributions to society would have to be defined in accordance to Islam.

- According to the 1990 Census of Population and Housing, in regards to the foreign-born population of age twenty-five or higher, fifty-one percent of the incoming Iranians held college and post-graduate degrees.

- By 2000, according to a study conducted by the Iranian Studies Group at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and released in 2005, the educational level of Iranian-Americans continued to impress because it was well above the national average.

- By 2009, an International Monetary Fund (IMF) report indicated that more than 420,000 Iranians with higher education degrees resided in the United States, of which 250,000 were physicians and engineers.


Are you a physician or an engineer? What is your contribution to the American society? So much for "crapola." But now let's take a look at those who cross the border or within the lower immigrant status...

- Throughout the history of the United States, people from other countries have been brought over to work in our fields. Often they come against their will. Obviously, we have Africans and European indentured servants, but this later included Asian and then Mexican workers.

- According to the 2012 National Center for Farmworker Health fact sheet, 72% of all farm workers were foreign born. Sixty-eight percent of these farm workers were born in Mexico.

Now, one of the ignorant arguments made against immigration is that "they are taking our jobs." Well, despite pay raises and labor benefits over the last few years, native-born Americans continue to refuse to take jobs in the fields. Did some Mexican take your grape picking job?



Will you go pick my tomatoes so the "crapola" doesn't do it? Another half-hearted slogan of Republicans is that anybody can make it in America if they just pull up their boots and work hard. Well, many migrant workers, turned American, have gone from picking your grapes, to owning wineries.

I'd suggest a couple books, but I suspect you are more comfortable clinging to an ignorant ideology.

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Yes that was fun...and true.
But productive immigrants are different than destructive refugees.

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fmw said:

Beneficial in what ways?

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We get it. You conservatives and libertarians have a disdain for those other than white. This is how they show it.

you will never get your white utopian dream. Why even fight it?