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After New York attack, Trump calls for ending 'Diversity Visa Lottery Program'
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Not necessarily that either. Gene pools and societies can become stagnant, non-productive, even sterile. That can happen 'naturally' too. So I wouldnt suggest allowing that when there are alternatives.
Not necessarily that either. Gene pools and societies can become stagnant, non-productive, even sterile. That can happen 'naturally' too. So I wouldnt suggest allowing that when there are alternatives.
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It occured because the different peoples that came to this country and assimilated.
There are things from the old country that we don't want here.
The problem I see now, is that more and more of those immigrants want to bring the dumb ass ways with them and apply it here.
It occured because the different peoples that came to this country and assimilated.
There are things from the old country that we don't want here.
The problem I see now, is that more and more of those immigrants want to bring the dumb ass ways with them and apply it here.
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I would accept your rational if the individual had migrated from a country on the Muslim ban list, but he didn't. Moreover, the Syrian civil war began in 2012. This guy apparently migrated to the U.S. in 2010. By most official intelligence estimates, ISIS didn't come into prominence until around 2014. So, when you step back and dig deeper into the issue at hand, which is, restricting immigrants/refugees from Muslim countries this guy wouldn't have come on the radar.
I would accept your rational if the individual had migrated from a country on the Muslim ban list, but he didn't. Moreover, the Syrian civil war began in 2012. This guy apparently migrated to the U.S. in 2010. By most official intelligence estimates, ISIS didn't come into prominence until around 2014. So, when you step back and dig deeper into the issue at hand, which is, restricting immigrants/refugees from Muslim countries this guy wouldn't have come on the radar.
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Re: The Visa Lottery Program - Post Latest NYC Terrorist Attack
We aren't in a gun argument. Do you want to ban trucks? How many people coming here, killing Americans is acceptable?
We aren't in a gun argument. Do you want to ban trucks? How many people coming here, killing Americans is acceptable?
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What would lead you to think I'm anti-science? I do take social "sciences" with a grain of salt but I'm a strong believer in the scientific method. I even studied science in college (zoology, chemistry, physics and geology.) What does science have to do with diversity?
What would lead you to think I'm anti-science? I do take social "sciences" with a grain of salt but I'm a strong believer in the scientific method. I even studied science in college (zoology, chemistry, physics and geology.) What does science have to do with diversity?
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Re: The Visa Lottery Program - Post Latest NYC Terrorist Attack
here is a 'copy & paste' info for the legislation
Enacting a diversity lottery had a long and winding road in Congress. It was driven by Democrats but earned Republican votes from many recognizable names today.
The White House pointed us to a bill -- H.R. 4165 -- that was introduced on March 1, 1990, when Schumer was serving in the House. Schumer was the lead sponsor of the bill, which had many provisions, including language on diversity visas.
That bill received hearings in the House but was eventually rolled into another bill, H.R. 4300. The Democratic-controlled House passed the bill on Oct. 3, 1990, by a margin of 231-192.
By party, Democrats supported it 186-65, while Republicans went 47-127. Schumer voted yes -- along with four other Republicans still serving in the House. The four were Dana Rohrabacher of California, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of Florida, Chris Smith of New Jersey and Don Young of Alaska.
Another yes vote came from future Republican House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a frequent Trump ally.
Meanwhile, the Senate pursued a companion bill -- S. 358 -- that included the diversity lottery provision, sponsored by the late Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass.
On Oct. 26, 1990, the Democratic-controlled Senate approved a conference report -- a version of the bill to be taken up in both chambers with identical language -- by an 89-8 margin.
Republicans who supported the measure included Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., who was then a first-termer, and current Republican Sens. Thad Cochran of Mississippi, Chuck Grassley of Iowa, Orrin Hatch of Utah, John McCain of Arizona, and Richard Shelby of Alabama (who was then a Democrat).
In addition, Trump’s director of national intelligence, Dan Coats, voted for the conference report.
The House approved the conference report the following day, by a 264-118 margin. This time, a majority of House Republicans voted for the measure, 93-64. The Republican yes votes included Rohrabacher and Ros-Lehtinen, along with two other GOP lawmakers still serving, Joe Barton of Texas and Fred Upton of Michigan.
The House passage sent the measure to the desk of President George H.W. Bush. On Nov. 29, 1990, Bush signed it, saying he was "pleased" to do so. "This act recognizes the fundamental importance and historic contributions of immigrants to our country," Bush said upon signing the bill.
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So, what does this tell US? It tells US that Schumer was involved in the process; no doubt.
It also demonstrates that there was a fair degree of bipartisan support for the bill. POTUS George HW Bush signed the bill into law.
HERE IS THE KICKER: Current POTUS JackASS Trump would rather attempt to make political hay out of a tragedy, in which Trump CONTINUES to demonstrate he is nothing more than a piece of ****ing **** bully with absolutely not a ****ing shread of nuance, nor honesty.
**** Trump and the goddamn ****ing horse he rode in on ..........................
ALSO:
The bill was signed by a Republican president, and the final version of the legislation received majority Republican support in both chambers of Congress, In fact, McConnell and several other Republicans still in office voted for the bill. Moreover, Trump’s tweet ignores that Schumer, just four years ago, worked to pass a bill that would have ended the lottery, but it died due to Republican opposition in the House.
So, again: Trump can go **** himself ...............................
here is a 'copy & paste' info for the legislation
Enacting a diversity lottery had a long and winding road in Congress. It was driven by Democrats but earned Republican votes from many recognizable names today.
The White House pointed us to a bill -- H.R. 4165 -- that was introduced on March 1, 1990, when Schumer was serving in the House. Schumer was the lead sponsor of the bill, which had many provisions, including language on diversity visas.
That bill received hearings in the House but was eventually rolled into another bill, H.R. 4300. The Democratic-controlled House passed the bill on Oct. 3, 1990, by a margin of 231-192.
By party, Democrats supported it 186-65, while Republicans went 47-127. Schumer voted yes -- along with four other Republicans still serving in the House. The four were Dana Rohrabacher of California, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of Florida, Chris Smith of New Jersey and Don Young of Alaska.
Another yes vote came from future Republican House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a frequent Trump ally.
Meanwhile, the Senate pursued a companion bill -- S. 358 -- that included the diversity lottery provision, sponsored by the late Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass.
On Oct. 26, 1990, the Democratic-controlled Senate approved a conference report -- a version of the bill to be taken up in both chambers with identical language -- by an 89-8 margin.
Republicans who supported the measure included Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., who was then a first-termer, and current Republican Sens. Thad Cochran of Mississippi, Chuck Grassley of Iowa, Orrin Hatch of Utah, John McCain of Arizona, and Richard Shelby of Alabama (who was then a Democrat).
In addition, Trump’s director of national intelligence, Dan Coats, voted for the conference report.
The House approved the conference report the following day, by a 264-118 margin. This time, a majority of House Republicans voted for the measure, 93-64. The Republican yes votes included Rohrabacher and Ros-Lehtinen, along with two other GOP lawmakers still serving, Joe Barton of Texas and Fred Upton of Michigan.
The House passage sent the measure to the desk of President George H.W. Bush. On Nov. 29, 1990, Bush signed it, saying he was "pleased" to do so. "This act recognizes the fundamental importance and historic contributions of immigrants to our country," Bush said upon signing the bill.
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So, what does this tell US? It tells US that Schumer was involved in the process; no doubt.
It also demonstrates that there was a fair degree of bipartisan support for the bill. POTUS George HW Bush signed the bill into law.
HERE IS THE KICKER: Current POTUS JackASS Trump would rather attempt to make political hay out of a tragedy, in which Trump CONTINUES to demonstrate he is nothing more than a piece of ****ing **** bully with absolutely not a ****ing shread of nuance, nor honesty.
**** Trump and the goddamn ****ing horse he rode in on ..........................
ALSO:
The bill was signed by a Republican president, and the final version of the legislation received majority Republican support in both chambers of Congress, In fact, McConnell and several other Republicans still in office voted for the bill. Moreover, Trump’s tweet ignores that Schumer, just four years ago, worked to pass a bill that would have ended the lottery, but it died due to Republican opposition in the House.
So, again: Trump can go **** himself ...............................
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Good thing you're not vetting those trying to enter the country as I started successful specialty company 1978 dealing with advertising agencies,
dept. stores & big food chains and was always an 'equal opportunity employer' before most employers designated that description
in there own help wanted ads. My smartest employee became a cameraman he was an immigrant from Russia. One of the most attractive
was a typesetter who was a mixed raced born in the Dominican Republic. Out of maybe 100 or so employees 90% hired by me maybe 25%
were minorities. A black fellow from Trinidad & Tobago who worked for me for 5 years got jailed the offense which I never believed he did
wasn't shooting a police officer, after a few years in jail a policeman who was apparently sympathetic to his cause called me up and said
he could get Hugh out if I gave him his job back. I was glad to do but before I did I asked those in his dept if they were OK with it.
We got him out after he fulfilled 4 years of his sentence and came back causing no problems. As a clincher my first wife was born in
Rumania, beautiful the one that got away.
Diversity is a problem I see for the country not for me. Summed up in the words of John Jay our first Supreme Court Justice.
'John Jay looked about and saw a country of common blood, faith, languauge, history, customs, culture & principles.
'Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people, descended from the same ancestors,
speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government & similar
in manners & customs.
This country & these peoples seem to have been made for each other, united to each other by the strongest ties,
should never be split into a number of unsocial, jealous & alien sovereignties.'
'Eisenhowers America was a nation of 150 million which a European Christian core &
a culture all its own. We were a people then.'
We don't seem to be now. If immigrants ever greatly outnumber the origins of the founders, nativistic
movements are necessary to insure cultural survival.
Good thing you're not vetting those trying to enter the country as I started successful specialty company 1978 dealing with advertising agencies,
dept. stores & big food chains and was always an 'equal opportunity employer' before most employers designated that description
in there own help wanted ads. My smartest employee became a cameraman he was an immigrant from Russia. One of the most attractive
was a typesetter who was a mixed raced born in the Dominican Republic. Out of maybe 100 or so employees 90% hired by me maybe 25%
were minorities. A black fellow from Trinidad & Tobago who worked for me for 5 years got jailed the offense which I never believed he did
wasn't shooting a police officer, after a few years in jail a policeman who was apparently sympathetic to his cause called me up and said
he could get Hugh out if I gave him his job back. I was glad to do but before I did I asked those in his dept if they were OK with it.
We got him out after he fulfilled 4 years of his sentence and came back causing no problems. As a clincher my first wife was born in
Rumania, beautiful the one that got away.
Diversity is a problem I see for the country not for me. Summed up in the words of John Jay our first Supreme Court Justice.
'John Jay looked about and saw a country of common blood, faith, languauge, history, customs, culture & principles.
'Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people, descended from the same ancestors,
speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government & similar
in manners & customs.
This country & these peoples seem to have been made for each other, united to each other by the strongest ties,
should never be split into a number of unsocial, jealous & alien sovereignties.'
'Eisenhowers America was a nation of 150 million which a European Christian core &
a culture all its own. We were a people then.'
We don't seem to be now. If immigrants ever greatly outnumber the origins of the founders, nativistic
movements are necessary to insure cultural survival.
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The Trump administration didn't devise a list--the Obama administration did. Trump just appropriated Obama's list to use for a temporary travel ban trying to keep out as many terrorists as reasonably possible. His temporary travel ban had no effect on those who had already been admitted to the country.
And the New York City recent incident was no random act of violence. It was carefully calculated, planned, and most likely abetted as most of these are.
The Trump administration didn't devise a list--the Obama administration did. Trump just appropriated Obama's list to use for a temporary travel ban trying to keep out as many terrorists as reasonably possible. His temporary travel ban had no effect on those who had already been admitted to the country.
And the New York City recent incident was no random act of violence. It was carefully calculated, planned, and most likely abetted as most of these are.
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And the idea in America is to allow the mix to happen. That's my point.
"Give me your tired, your poor,...................."
And the idea in America is to allow the mix to happen. That's my point.
"Give me your tired, your poor,...................."
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Re: The Visa Lottery Program - Post Latest NYC Terrorist Attack
Actually, it appears that 45 didn't call for the end of diversity visas, that would be Proxy-POTUS, Fox and Friends. And there ya go
Actually, it appears that 45 didn't call for the end of diversity visas, that would be Proxy-POTUS, Fox and Friends. And there ya go
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What is it about that attack that says it required careful planning and calculation? From what I know about it, it could have been done on the spur-of-the-moment by a brooding, disturbed lunatic who was triggered by something he saw on the TV news that morning.
What is it about that attack that says it required careful planning and calculation? From what I know about it, it could have been done on the spur-of-the-moment by a brooding, disturbed lunatic who was triggered by something he saw on the TV news that morning.
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It really has nothing to do with color. It’s a problem of peasant immigrants who don’t assimilate and bleed our economy of capital through remittances.
It really has nothing to do with color. It’s a problem of peasant immigrants who don’t assimilate and bleed our economy of capital through remittances.
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Granting immigration should be 100% merit based, and further, chain immigration should not be allowed, so, the merits of each applicant.
This would be good public policy.
There should be no 'diversity lottery'. Immigration to the US should not be a prize, and should be awarded for simply existing and applying for it.
Granting immigration should be 100% merit based, and further, chain immigration should not be allowed, so, the merits of each applicant.
This would be good public policy.
There should be no 'diversity lottery'. Immigration to the US should not be a prize, and should be awarded for simply existing and applying for it.
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Hi! My family and I got into the US through the diversity visa program! My dad is a c level exec at a $5bn American company, my mum a cfa , my sister spent the last year helping kids at underfunded schools. My other sister is at college now, and I’m an IT professional paying a higher eff tax rate than 99% of Americans! We have a dog, an american flag outside our (parents anyway) home. We celebrate July 4th.
To get into the country, we had to pass educational and work related requirements, pay a lot of money and were vetted for 2 years. Take your xenophobic ‘crapola’ **** elsewhere please. Many of the people who qualify through the diversity program are twice the person you are!
Hi! My family and I got into the US through the diversity visa program! My dad is a c level exec at a $5bn American company, my mum a cfa , my sister spent the last year helping kids at underfunded schools. My other sister is at college now, and I’m an IT professional paying a higher eff tax rate than 99% of Americans! We have a dog, an american flag outside our (parents anyway) home. We celebrate July 4th.
To get into the country, we had to pass educational and work related requirements, pay a lot of money and were vetted for 2 years. Take your xenophobic ‘crapola’ **** elsewhere please. Many of the people who qualify through the diversity program are twice the person you are!
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America is a Land of immigrants. But the immigration that made us great was before the Welfare State.
Before LBJ 1965 Great Society, immigration was hard work and 1/3 went back to their homelands. So America got the best, brightest and hardest working the rest of the world had to offer.
Today we are getting a lot of the rest of the worlds Trailer Trash, and Leftist love it because they mostly vote Democrat. But it's not good for America.
President Trumps merit based immigration is a way to mitigate this.
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The actions of 19 men took thousands of lives and cost this country hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars. It's not dumbassery to consider how policy changes could prevent acts like 9/11 from happening again. It's common sense.
The actions of 19 men took thousands of lives and cost this country hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars. It's not dumbassery to consider how policy changes could prevent acts like 9/11 from happening again. It's common sense.
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Read post 110, relax you told your story I shared part of mine.
Read post 110, relax you told your story I shared part of mine.
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I don't see how you can be an effective president or be reelected when you have a base of 35% of the population, you do not grow that base while you push away the 10% that were willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. Wait, you can't.
I don't see how you can be an effective president or be reelected when you have a base of 35% of the population, you do not grow that base while you push away the 10% that were willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. Wait, you can't.
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Of course, what Trump is proposing would not have prevented 9/11. The best thing America can do to prevent Americans from being radicalized is to improve its online campaign AND dial back the rhetoric of bigotry. The key is to help immigrant Americans feel they are first generation Americans, not foreigners.
Trump's actions to date have more likely worked to promote the type of terrorism we experienced on 10/31 rather than discourage it. Trump is playing right into the hands of ISIS because he is too much a fool to know when he is being played as a fool.
Thanks for sharing your story. Once again Trump is taking his uneducated minions down a path of fear, offering simple solutions that don't even address the issue at hand, they just sound good.
Of course, what Trump is proposing would not have prevented 9/11. The best thing America can do to prevent Americans from being radicalized is to improve its online campaign AND dial back the rhetoric of bigotry. The key is to help immigrant Americans feel they are first generation Americans, not foreigners.
Trump's actions to date have more likely worked to promote the type of terrorism we experienced on 10/31 rather than discourage it. Trump is playing right into the hands of ISIS because he is too much a fool to know when he is being played as a fool.
Thanks for sharing your story. Once again Trump is taking his uneducated minions down a path of fear, offering simple solutions that don't even address the issue at hand, they just sound good.
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At the very least I believe we should amend the program to better protect against such events in the future. Though removing it all together would be more prudent, and safer in general.
How about we have several off season games, where our NFL players go against European rugby players at their own game.